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Posted on: Sun, 06/11/2006 - 1:01pm
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Joined: 04/13/2005 - 09:00

Quote:Originally posted by Momcat:
[b]The original poster appears to be a fraud. This "treatment" could kill somebody. It does nothing to combat anaphylactic shock, which is caused by a drastic drop in blood pressure. Epinephrine is the only treatment that will contract the blood vessels and reverse shock. Also, has anyone ever tried to spray anything on their vocal cords? I can't even see mine! Let's get real here. This person should not be giving medical advice, and the "N8" (=NAET) in his name is huge tip-off.
I've reported the thread/poster to Chris (owner of board) to see if he'll remove it...since...it may/is someone who is pretending to be a doctor and posting dangerous advice.
30-year old survivor of severe peanut/tree nut allergy

Posted on: Sun, 06/11/2006 - 1:34pm
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Joined: 08/31/2002 - 09:00

My first thoughts on this post was 'imposter' ....maybe he is, maybe not--but either way, before anyone tries something 'new' like this--PLEASE check with YOUR OWN doc!!
Take care,

Posted on: Sun, 06/11/2006 - 11:46pm
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As soon as I read the sentence "#1 (most important) get the peanut out of your stomach." I sent out a mental message of "PEG YOU ARE NEEDED IN AN INTO THREAD". [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] I was very glad to see she was already here. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Quote:Originally posted by N8healer:
[b] What is going to kill a person with PA is when the vocal chords swell and the airway is closed. [/b]
I don't think my throat swelled. However, my heart and lungs did. When they swell enough, the heart cannot pump, and air cannot go into your lungs. Then you die. Even if your vocal chords are fine and the airway is open.
And could one of our real professionals explain a bit about low blood pressure? I just don't understand it well enough to explain it clearly to a *doctor*. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Has summer break started already?

Posted on: Mon, 06/12/2006 - 2:27am
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Joined: 06/19/2003 - 09:00

I am writing this for the people who may read this thread and actually think that this advice is good. Please ignore this person's advice! For detailed reasoning, see below:
Quote:Originally posted by N8healer:
[b]I am new to the board and introducing myself.[/b] You are not bothering to come back.
Clue one that you are a fraud.
Quote:get the peanut out of your stomach. . . It must be vomited up.
Which will not work and is dangerous to do when your airways are closing.
Clue Two you are a fraud
Quote:First I drink about a quart of water. This serves two purposes. first, it dilutes the peanut and buys time.
Many people react to "may contains" which have a minimal amount of peanut protein on them. I doubt a little extra water will not help and can only harm because (1.) it will delay your taking medicine that will help you and (2.) can be problematic if you throat is closing.
Clue three you are a fraud
Quote: My allergy is so severe that epinephrine injection is ineffective. . . . Dristan and other nasal decongestants contain a synthetic adrenaline product. I open my throat and spray A LOT of Dristan like product on my vocal chords. It is absorbed rapidly and helps with systemic anaphylactic problems as well.
A shot of epinephrine directly into the bloodstrean doesn't help you with a systemic reaction, but I am supposed to believe a spray of Dristan onto your vocal cords will?
Also, I cannot find any dristan product which has adreneline (aka epinephrine) as an ingredient. All I can find are simple decongestant products.
Clue four you are a fraud
Quote:I leave Dristan and Benadryl in my car, ... where, due to extreme heat or cold in the car, they will soon be rendered useless.
Quote: Of course, the most important thing is to avoid eating peanut products in the first place - ask and ask again, read labels, don't eat anything that you think might have peanut products in it and when in doubt -- don't eat it!
the only bit of good advice that you have given.
Allergic to Shellfish/ Mom to Jesse 9/01 who has PA
Sometimes I just want to say "blah blah blah blah blah."
[This message has been edited by ElleMo (edited June 12, 2006).]

Posted on: Mon, 06/12/2006 - 2:49am
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Not arguing with you Ellen, but wanted to point out, epinephrine is not given in a vein for anaphylaxis. It is [i]intra-muscular[/i].

Posted on: Mon, 06/12/2006 - 11:29am
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Joined: 12/21/2005 - 09:00

Quote:Originally posted by N8healer:
[B]Hello all:
I am a 52 year old physician -- former ER doctor with severe (SEVERE) peanut allergy.
I have to say as a new PA Adult (34 yrs old), I find your VERY post insulting because I am new to this site.
For future references, Stay off of these boards unless you have medical scientific proven information that these "so-called" remedies work. You are not doing us any favors.

Posted on: Tue, 06/13/2006 - 11:13am
N8healer's picture
Joined: 06/04/2006 - 09:00

Hi everyone;
I'm not an imposter and what I wrote is not a prank. Medically it is not implausible. The decongestent contans a synthetic epinephrine, phenylephrine. It is rapidly absorbed systemically by the lining of the throat and lungs to prevent hypotension and it shrinks any swelling of the throat/lungs rapidly and more effectively than an injection of epinephrine. Ask your own doctors what they think of the idea.
I concur that the vomiting itself is traumatic and a large aspiration would be very grave, but still of major importance. Pretreatment with phenylephrine minimizes the trauma. As long as the peanut is in your system, the mast cells keep releasing histamine. IMHO this is still the best way to go.
So, take the information any way you like, it was intended to be helpful, not a joke.
Discuss it with your doctors.
[This message has been edited by N8healer (edited June 13, 2006).]

Posted on: Tue, 06/13/2006 - 12:07pm
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Joined: 05/28/2005 - 09:00

If you're so confident N8, then please post your real name, dr title/type, location, etc.

Posted on: Tue, 06/13/2006 - 12:26pm
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Joined: 04/13/2005 - 09:00

hiya -
Sorry you suffer from PA also, I've had it my entire life and was diagnosed around age 2. I've had a few severe reactions (anaphylaxis) that required immediate hospital attention and epipen. I've been super careful ever since and haven't had a reaction in over 15 years, due to careful eating habits. Hope you have perused some of our board to see how others cope and some of the strategies we use to stay safe. Even though I grew up with PA, I learned a lot from many on here, as, some of the parents on here are great at researching food manufacturers and listing odd places to find peanuts!
However, I would not ever go to a board certified psychiatrist for treatment of my allergy. I realize that yes, you are an MD and went to medical school, and probably did a rotation in the ER as a general ER doc. You listed yourself as a physician, and while psychiatrists are indeed MDs/physicians, you are not a primary care doc or an allergy specialist and there are many things (medically) you may not be aware of or how peanut allergies are handled/treated by allergists, pediatricians, and primary care docs.
My concern, is that someone who suffers from PA would see your first post, think "oh hey, that's posted by a doctor!" and follow the advice you gave to treat themselves or heaven-forbid their child, without talking with their doctor first. Aye, the problem with the internet!
Why do you think sites such as WebMD or medical discussion boards always have a disclaimer at the bottom? To protect the viewer AND the doctor. There are some doctors and nurses and other medical professionals on here that ALWAYS put a disclaimer after any hints/advice/medical mumbo-jumbo they post.
Ok, I've said my peace and may have also spoken for some others on here.
Just please be careful when you post any medical treatment ideas :-)
And welcome, we have only been harsh on your post b/c a lot of it isn't standard emergency treatment that is accepted.
30-year old survivor of severe peanut/tree nut allergy

Posted on: Tue, 06/13/2006 - 2:17pm
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Joined: 06/04/2006 - 09:00

Just for the record, my name is Stuart Shipko, M.D. Currently I am a psychiatrist in California. Before residency in psychiatry I was an attending in emergency medicine at a Boston University Hospital. I have treated a fair amount of anyphylaxis. While one size does not fit all this is my opinion, professional and personal.
I understand BBS dynamics, having run my own board on panic disorder for a number of years. I understand how LOUD it can be when a person who is an actual expert posts. But because my situation is so unique, I thought I would share my personal favorite treatment strategy. YMMV.


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