IEP (IDEA) vs. 504

Posted on: Tue, 03/27/2007 - 10:24pm
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In the thread "My saga continues" the topic turned to IEP's and 504's (bottom of page 2, top of page 3). This really hit a cord with me so I wanted to pull it out and get more opinions.

We are at a crossroads and are trying to decide what to do. We are trying to get an IEP, but I noticed that most people who post use 504s. Why????

Calling GVMOM, MOMMABEAR, GAILW and all those great posters who have done any research into this.... or just have ideas.......

Posted on: Tue, 03/27/2007 - 10:28pm
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These are my last two posts before I started this:
The second article Gail W posted:
[url="http://www.ldonline.org/article/6086"]http://www.ldonline.org/article/6086[/url]
The last two paragraphs.
Parts of the article on 504 vs IEP that caught my eye were the ability for the schools to change a 504 without prior notification. So, if they decide to make a peanut free classroom peanutty they can??? Then tell me????????
I have been told they have to justify changes or get my agreement???? Any ideas???
I also noticed a 504 can be taken away while it is being debated, the IEP must stay in place while hearings are taking place. So tell me again why people are getting 504's? I am not trying to be a funny, I really want to know. Is it that much 'easier' (see the previous tooth pulling reference) to get a 504???
Edit:
I have calls into two people who have Dr's in education, one specializes in IEP and 504 placement. She is more familure with IEP's and has directed me that way in the past. I will let you know her justification/requirements as soon as she calls me back.
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Posted on: Tue, 03/27/2007 - 10:32pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Peanut Militia:
[B]I just got off the phone with one of the people I mentioned. They said, knowing our situation, that I should persue an IEP for the following reasons:
1. It will get funding for the school
2. They cannot make changes without getting me to sign off or a hearing. (harder than a 504)
3. It is reviewed annually, but has to reviewed every 3 years.
4. If she gets sick again (asthma and frequent attacks at school...) she can easily be put on homebound to recover.
5. It travels instantly-if we move the new school must make the accomidation unless she is up for 3 year review--then they have to review within a time frame.
6. It is easier to get an aid in her class or a full time nurse at the school to assist her with meds in the event of an attack and to monitor her environment (she is 6 and should get to act like a 6 year old).
7. 504 anti-discrimination policies still apply.
The catch is having the medical tests and recommendations to back the need for an IEP under OHI. One of the considerations is excessive absences due to medical condition effects education.
Based on her record this should work.
gvmom, you mentioned pulling your child because of not following the 504--any idea how many days??? Anyone else????
Any thoughts??????????????? I am not trying to get everyone to do this, I am just trying to see what is the best and why people who have delt with different schools took their approach.
/B]
There are other great posts on the other thread

Posted on: Tue, 03/27/2007 - 11:08pm
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Hi!
I have one child with a 504 for food allergies and asthma. She does not require special education services, just accomodations for her safety.
I have another child with an IEP for Aspergers Syndrome. He does require special education services.
It is my understanding that an IEP is for students who have academic deficiencies or a disability that impairs their ability to learn and require special education services such as speech therapy or special equipment to help them perform appropriately.
It is my understanding that a 504 is for students who require special accomodations due to a disablity and protects them from discrimination.
They are very different processes.
If you google IEP vs 504 you will be linked with sites that might help clarify this for you.

Posted on: Tue, 03/27/2007 - 11:37pm
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Quote:Originally posted by PurpleCat:
[b]
I have one child with a 504 for food allergies and asthma. She does not require special education services, just accomodations for her safety.[/b]
Safety? How are (or any of) these addressed?
Does her attendance require a full time school nurse, in the building, all day, each day, every day? (You know, similiar in wording to how the Mass. "Managing Life Threatening Food Allergies in Schools" document designed?
Does her allergy require transportation accommodations? Or does she ride the bus with no accommodations?
Does her allergy require a classroom or one to one aide?
How old is she?
I have another child with an IEP for Aspergers Syndrome. He does require special education services.
It is my understanding that an IEP is for students who have academic deficiencies or a disability that impairs their ability to learn and require special education services such as speech therapy or special equipment to help them perform appropriately.
It is my understanding that a 504 is for students who require special accomodations due to a disablity and protects them from discrimination.
They are very different processes.
If you google IEP vs 504 you will be linked with sites that might help clarify this for you.[/B][/quote]

Posted on: Tue, 03/27/2007 - 11:39pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Peanut Militia:
[b]These are my last two posts before I started this:
The second article Gail W posted:
[url="http://www.ldonline.org/article/6086"]http://www.ldonline.org/article/6086[/url]
The last two paragraphs.
[/b]
That was me. Not GailW. (makes more sense that way as I'm the "IEP" person. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img])

Posted on: Tue, 03/27/2007 - 11:41pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Peanut Militia:
[b]Calling GVMOM, MOMMABEAR, GAILW and all those great posters who have done any research into this.... or just have ideas.......[/b]
these are getting to be popular call letters.
Here, for what it's worth:
[url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477.html[/url]
although I'm very interested in seeing this thread take off.

Posted on: Tue, 03/27/2007 - 11:54pm
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Does anybody's child have an allergy that requires a change in [i]placement[/i], let's say similiar to a "Peanut Free" Table or Classroom? A "special education" zone that facilitates learning through safe attendance, even if we're only talking lunch or snack...although I'm assuming "learning" *does* take place in the classroom. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Do accommodations for anyone's children require a staff member "highly qualified" by NCLB?

Posted on: Wed, 03/28/2007 - 12:04am
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Quote:Originally posted by mommyofmatt:
[b]hmmmmm. I thought the topic of this thread was signing up for Kindergarten, reading food labels, and food free classrooms. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
New question: I've found out that other schools in my town appear to be more accommodating. I would have to make an out of district request to move to another public school. According to the rumor mill, these requests aren't granted too frequently.
Experience anyone?[/b]
(From another thread)
is what this post is really talking about a "change in placement"? Something that requires a "change in placement"? (special education designation?)

Posted on: Wed, 03/28/2007 - 12:09am
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(entire post copied from another thread, except for "adding" part)
Quote:Originally posted by notnutty:
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mommyofmatt....we moved last August into a new home. I actually checked all of the elementary school within the District (4 of them). I decided to send my children to a school that is within the District, but outside the busing area. I did not have to do anything special because my children would be in the same District...it is not considered "open enrollement". This could be different from state to state. I just wanted to let you know that we didn't need anything "granted" because the school was still w/in District. Does that make sense? (still early and I think I need more coffee!)[/b]
no it does not. I get the feeling it "suited" the needs of the district so it was allowed. (Might be wrong, out here, such [i]changes in placement[/i] require extensive documentation of [i]need[/i]. There is also reallocation of funds to accompany it. It must all be documented, if indeed, you get the accomodation (note, not [i]preference[/i], as it must be a genuine need, at all.
adding: Whether a school does something willingly, or because it suits them, or because it's allowed, it's paramount that the *need*, if one exists, be documented. I think it's important, if only to [b]represent[/b] such needs accurately. I mean, if we ever expect things to change for the good. More obviously tho, it's probably important for tax distribution and funds re-allocation. I could be wrong.

Posted on: Wed, 03/28/2007 - 12:56am
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Sorry mommabear--I am bad about names without faces (smile).
So, a reason for IEP is special placement. We were even guided by our district to the school we are at. They didn't mandate it, but it was highly suggested and is not the school we were assigned to. They felt the classrooms were closer to the nurses office (some schools have trailers or classrooms almost a city block from the main offices)Great angle.
I will read the new articles you posted and comment later.

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