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What do we all want?

Peanut safe foods, right?

Here we have right in front of us a company, PhillySwirl, who has risked their very life for [i]us[/i] by being one of the first to put "Peanut Safe" on their boxes, something unheard of here in the U.S., and they get very little to no support from this community...only complaints at what they should do/shouldn't do (not from all but from many)!

I always thought we mostly wanted the same things for our kids - awareness and safe foods. Maybe I'm just too idealistic.

Now I wonder how we can ever expect any company to be peanut-free when we can't even support the one that exists after all the $$$ they put into it.

I'm disappointed not just because another safe treat may be gone. I'm disappointed because a market that had the potential for opening to us could be closing. And a company which has tried to do nothing less than what we've been wanting, and all because of the investment they put into their peanut-free status and the direct lack of support from our community, may have to close it's doors if sales for their sugar free pops are discontinued at Sam's.

I didn't post this to start a new PS debate on what they could have done/should have done.

I'm curious - really curious - I'd like to know who supports this company and their ideas?

[This message has been edited by LaurensMom (edited March 29, 2005).]

On Mar 29, 2005

LaurensMom,I hear ya!! We always buy Philly.

I really don't know what is going on however I would like to thank Alex for helping me get philly in to our school it took over a year well worth every step.

I support this company.

What do we all want?[b]To know what is in her food and teacher her to read.=Peanut safe food! Yes.[/b]

I'm curious - I'd like to know who supports this company and their idea? [b]Our family[/b]

------------------ Love this site Synthia

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On Mar 29, 2005

Lauren's Mom, I'm not clear if it's okay for a Canadian to even say anything, especially when you can only purchase Philly Swirl here at very select places (for example, Anna Marie posted you can purchase it at Costco, but you have to be a member there).

Just as I support Nestle (with the products that say "peanut free") and Chapman's (with the products that say "peanut free"), yes, I would support Philly Swirl if I could buy it.

I definitely support their concept. If you notice with the two companies that I posted about above, Nestle and Chapman's, I made the notation "with the products that say "peanut free", because not all of either of them have a completely "peanut free" company.

I'm always on the look-out for "peanut free". Have posted at Crazy Plates Meals which were "peanut free" when I checked (and when katiee later checked). We would really like them to have "peanut free" on their labeling.

And I just recently posted about Cakes Unlimited. My MIL purchased a coffee cake over the week-end that says "nut free" on the box.

So, definitely, definitely, support a "peanut free" company.

Can I ask - how is their cost in comparison to competition?

I know that here, in Canada, Chapman's is one of the least expensive ice creams you can purchase and always has been.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Mar 29, 2005

We also only buy Philly Swirl because I know they are safe and my DD can also have them because they have no dairy. But, we only buy approximately 2 boxes per month.

I would love other companies to follow suit with their labeling. There are a few that label on their website or the package that they produce no products with xxxxx allergens - Moon Pies, Smarties, McCain's fries, Annie's Mac & Cheese.

I bought a box of Philly Swirl yesterday and gave them to my co-workers just as a treat for a nice spring afternoon.

I also sent a request letter to my grocery store to carry them and my children's school district.

On Mar 29, 2005

I support Philly Swirl as best I can. I have introduced it through sharing and bring ing it into school to many people. I have tried promoting its use in dd's school to Alex, even preping the director for the call, and she was interested.

I have taken his coupons and passed them around.

I think it is great they put on the label which allergens it doesn't have. becca

On Mar 29, 2005

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Originally posted by LaurensMom: [b]What do we all want?

Peanut safe foods, right? [/b]

Umm... No. I don't want that. Well, that'd be nice, yes, but y'know... My daughter's got OTHER issues to deal with.

So currently, being JUST nut free.. or JUST dairy free does NOTHING for me, kwim? I still can't give it to my family safely.

Do I like that its peanut free? Sure. We have OTHER alternatives to desserts, I guess. Desserts are not real HIGH on my 'needs' list right now. Other things kinda take priority.

Jason

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On Mar 29, 2005

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Originally posted by jtolpin: [b] Umm... No. I don't want that. Well, that'd be nice, yes, but y'know... My daughter's got OTHER issues to deal with.

So currently, being JUST nut free.. or JUST dairy free does NOTHING for me, kwim? I still can't give it to my family safely.

Do I like that its peanut free? Sure. We have OTHER alternatives to desserts, I guess. Desserts are not real HIGH on my 'needs' list right now. Other things kinda take priority.

Jason

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Thanks for the input Jason. I'm not sure I've got my point across. I'm sorry our DD has other issues. Though you may have posted them, I must have missed the posts.

As for my post, I think you might have missed my point. "Desserts", per se, are not high on my list of 'needs' either. But, properly labeled foods in an environment that can be trusted [b]is[/b] high on my list.

[b]That[/b] is where PhillySwirl comes in. They've opened the door. If they were successful in having "Peanut Free" right smack dab on the front of the box, they would found a niche in the market thereby causing other companies to follow suit.

Now the snowball has started rolling and I can see where this would spread to other manufacturers.

That is why I think PS is so important. Not for the sake of treats - for the idea of what they've accomplished.

You sound like you've got a lot on your plate. I'm sorry for that.

On Mar 29, 2005

LaurensMom-

We have tried very hard on a personal level to support them -- and promoted them on a larger level at our church for group things.

They don't exist here, anymore, except as the icy cups and sticks - and we quite honestly don't care for them. The fudge pops and ice cream sandwiches were very good -- the ice cream sandwiches were very, *very* good.

If I could get the ice cream sandwiches (WalMart just wouldn't continue to carry them here -- I bought ten or twelve boxes at once, when they did, just to create some momentum) I would buy loads -- cases -- of them, on principal alone. But I -- we -- just don't like blazingly bright colors and flavors like cotton-candy. We wound up melting them down the sink, even as we kept trying them one after another, trying to find one that we liked even a little bit.

The variety that wasn't artificially colored never made it this far == I would have tried them. If I could mail order the sandwiches, I'd even pay FedEx fees for them -- pass them around our support group (which didn't exist when the sandwiches were available here) -- and I could probably create enough demand to get them on the shelf again.

I hope this is translating from my heart at least somewhat. What I'm trying to say is that if I can even *swallow* a product, I'll go to the mat for it. But I am even less thrilled about a sugar-free version of a product we didn't like in the first place. I have precisely one friend whose child is both PA and diabetic, and I can certainly encourage her to check them out. But without any access to the stuff I could recommend *because it tasted great*, I'm kind of left without much I can do.

I should mention that I'm posting from a fairly populated area that is pretty isolated from anywhere else -- the next major city is two or three hours away, with nature-y touristy areas in between. I can't even *find* a Super Target within two hundred miles to purchase the new CherryBrook Kitchen mixes. I *am* stubborn enough to drive that far to support a peanut-free product! I would do the same for Phillly Swirl -- but might have to shorten the distance a little bit to allow for melting... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

I don't know if this is the feedback you were hoping for. If I'm way off, let me know and I'll edit it down to a "."!

Sue

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On Mar 29, 2005

I'm with you Lauren. I just didn't know until some time ago that they were peanut free because we generally stay away from ice cream and chocolate. However, now that I know we have purchased some because we do want to support this kind of effort.

On Mar 29, 2005

I do, I do. I buy a box of one variety or another once a week. As I have posted before, my underweight, picky-eater son, LOVES PS! My older son has a friend who has multiple food allergies and PS is the one thing I know that boy can have when he comes over for a play date. I, too, have bought boxes and put them in the freezer at work with a sign on them "help yourselves", to try to drum up business. I tried to arrange for them to sponsor a peanut free game at The Lowell Spinners but the game never actually took off. Personally, I don't know how to support PS any more than I already have. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

On Mar 29, 2005

I doubt this is a matter of not wanting or caring enough to support a company that goes out of their way to make a product especially for our children.

Do you really think the company is not doing well because we don't have freezers chock full of the stuff?

For my case and maybe others, snacks are just not that important.

How much ice creamy stuff can one person buy?

Peggy

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On Mar 29, 2005

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Originally posted by Peg541: [b]I doubt this is a matter of not wanting or caring enough to support a company that goes out of their way to make a product especially for our children. [/b]

I disagree. Please read the thread and look at my response to Jason. I think it also applies here.

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Originally posted by Peg541: [b] Do you really think the company is not doing well because we don't have freezers chock full of the stuff? [/b]

Yes I do. I don

On Mar 29, 2005

LaurensMom-

Tired brain, here, but I feel like I'm missing where you're trying to go.

Are we doing a post-mortem? CPR? Philosophical debate?

Truly trying to stay with you... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Sue

On Mar 29, 2005

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Originally posted by M'smom: [b]LaurensMom-

Tired brain, here, but I feel like I'm missing where you're trying to go.

Are we doing a post-mortem? CPR? Philosophical debate?

Truly trying to stay with you... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Sue[/b]

Valid question though I certainly hope it isn't post mortem - CPR - maybe.

I guess it is just expressing frustration and disappointment.

Yes, we all are here because PA has touched our lives and yes, we probably at all one point or another thank God that we don't have to deal with anything more serious.

But, then we hear Gina's story, Nathan's story and all the others.

It is just that there was such a good opportunity here to really have something good come out of what PS did. I honestly believe that...and so did they.

I can't keep PS in business by myself. It really takes us as a community to do it...if that is what we choose. I guess I'm curious why we didn't choose it.

There are a lot of question on this board about "Is 'x' safe". Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have that question? Of course. Well, how about if we start with just one product. One simple little popsicle.

We want help from manufacturer's but only when it is convenient for us.

What do I want this info for? I don't know. Sparking debate? - maybe.

I'm not sure I answered the question.

Maybe it is me. Maybe I need to take a break from this site.

On Mar 29, 2005

I have talked to Alex several times. I got our local supermarket to carry Philly Swirl, and they seem to sell well, from what I can tell at least.

I buy it, but my kids don't eat that much ice cream in the winter. I support their ideas and am appreciative of all they do. I just don't know what more I can do.

I do agree that half gallon containers of ice cream would be great! Or the coolest thing I can think of...Ice Cream Cake!!!! It would be great if we could go buy our kids a safe ice cream cake!

I hope all works out!

On Mar 29, 2005

Lauren's Mom, I understood what you were thinking, I think.

Again, wasn't sure how helpful I could be because I'm Canadian, but I can tell you what a wonderful feeling it is to go into the market to buy the brick of Chapman's ice cream and see Peanut Free in red on the brick, quite large and clear. No worries. We bought Maple Twist last week, their version of Maple Walnut obviously without the walnuts.

Or, again, how wonderful it is for me to go and buy PA safe Nestle products where the Peanut Free logo is again red and very clear.

My MIL experienced this for the first time this past week-end when she found a new coffee cake that was clearly and boldly marked NUT FREE. For her, it was a blessing (not only because it was a new product), but because she is having difficulty reading labels.

I believe the PEANUT FREE logo also appears on the Dare cookie line that is peanut free. We have SO many companies here (even if I can only think of 5, I think that's phenomenal) that have that logo, and I can tell you, it's simply wonderful. These are the companies that I support as best as I can by buying their products.

For example, we had been buying Mr. Christie's cookies for years (Chips Ahoy, Oreos - the ones that were PA safe). Dare had always NOT been PA safe. But when they became PEANUT FREE and I was able to buy a different cookie (and a whole lot of different cookies actually) with the PEANUT FREE logo, my business has gone to Dare. Not that I still won't buy Mr. Christie's.

Or, when thanking my son's class at the end of a school year, I will try to buy Nestle products with the PEANUT FREE logo.

I believe this does raise awareness. I also believe it makes it easier for a lot of people to shop that aren't dealing with PA on a daily basis like we are - for example, as posted above, my MIL. But also my son's classmates and even people in the school buying things for fundraisers.

I did use most of the letter you posted, Lauren's Mom, and did my first of three group e-mails out tonight. Not sure if that will help or not.

Crazy Plates, not they're not a dessert or a junk food (they are a dinner easily prepared), and that's why katiee had written to them and suggested that they put PEANUT FREE on their boxes. That would be a great bonus to them, I believe, and also, I'm fairly sure, it would be the first not dessert/snack/junk food for us in Canada with the PEANUT FREE logo.

But it has to start somewhere, doesn't it? I'm fairly sure (and don't mind being corrected) that it did start with Chapman's ice cream here in Canada.

Again, the only thing with all of these companies, is that they aren't exclusively "peanut free", as I did mention earlier. They do have other product lines that are manufactured in different facilities with peanuts/nuts.

Nowhere in this thread did I see a suggestion from you that all Americans should have a freezer full of Philly Swirl. I saw you asking people what they really want.

momma2boys, yes, an ice cream cake would be wonderful! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

The only thing I wouldn't do is support a company because they say they're "peanut free" if their product was not great and I could buy another one, still PA safe, but without the logo, that tasted better.

Years and years ago, and I posted this story here, I was talking to a woman I worked with in a design firm. She bought "the best" everything and was quite a food lover. Her recommendation for "the best" ice cream? Chapman's. She said it had "the best" butterscotch ripple out there. And yet, it's the least expensive ice cream on the shelves except for store brand. So, I had been eating Chapman's for years (digging out the butterscotch ripple) before PA entered my life.

Does Philly Swirl have a mailing list? Is it possible for Alex to send out coupons? Or have coupons available to print off yourself on his website.

I went there to-day but didn't have time to check it out much [url="http://www.phillyswirl.com"]www.phillyswirl.com[/url] - I needed the address to go out with my group e-mail.

I bought a brick of Chapman's over the week-end for $3.29 (expensive for Chapman's) but with a 50 cent off coupon that is in the store. I would have been buying it regardless. I also received their calendar to-day in the mail, but it's still in my mail box.

And until I moved, I was receiving the brochure from Vermont Nut Free, not even because I had purchased from them, but because American friends had sent me their product and I was put on their mailing list. That's why I'm wondering about the mailing list idea.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Mar 30, 2005

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Originally posted by csc: [b]The only thing I wouldn't do is support a company because they say they're "peanut free" if their product was not great and I could buy another one, still PA safe, but without the logo, that tasted better.

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call me crazy, but I instantly started thinking of many discussions revolving around the words "peanut free". [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] KWIM?

On Mar 30, 2005

First, CSC, I when I responded with "yes, a freezer chock full", I didn't mean literally. :-)

Second, I sound like I'm blaming PA.com members for PS having such troubles. That isn't my intention. There are a lot of people on this board doing a lot for him and I recognize that. And even if there weren't, who am I to judge/criticize? Well, I'm not doing either - at least that isn't my intention. I'm curious.

Anyway, there are so many more PA people out there outside of PA.com. Maybe it has to do with the fact that so many PA people still, themselves, don't get it. We've all run into that parent who says their kid is just a 'little bit allergic' or 'isn't as allergic as your kid'.

FYI, I think Alex told me at one point that if each US PA person bought 1 box per YEAR, that would be enough to keep them peanut free!

BTW, what is KWIM?

On Mar 30, 2005

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Originally posted by LaurensMom: [b] BTW, what is KWIM?

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an acronym for:

"Know What I Mean"

On Mar 30, 2005

I support PS and have done what I can in my neighborhood to get their products here. Unfortunately, it would seem as if I was one of the only people buying them from my Kroger and now they will no longer carry PS.

It is disappointing, but I can understand. Their products were priced higher than several of the other ice cream novelties. If my child was not allergic, I might not have spent the extra money on a treat that was similar to a less costly item.

I agree with Lauren'sMom though that we should all support peanut-free businesses if we want/expect safe food for our children.

Jaime [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Mar 30, 2005

We buy the cups & every once in a while the sticks. I've never seen any other product. I'd love the swirlwiches or anything else they'd make. I don't buy much in the winter as we don't eat much "cold" dessert in the winter.

I think a lot of the problem is the products are just not in enough stores. I live in Indianapolis which is a big city. Meijer & Walmart carry the cups & sticks but usually only have a handful of boxes on hand & they are usually hard to find. My parents live an hour south & my in-laws an hour north in good size cities, but can't seem to find Philly Swirl products & the stores act like they've never heard of the product & won't try to get some.

On Mar 30, 2005

Laurensmom, I think you are right about us being a specific community *within* a broader PA community. Many do not have the worry of cross contamination that we do, or are simply unaware. I meet many PA families in my day to day stuff with the kids. We are far and away the most strict with dd's diet.

There are perhaps many of us out there who just do not care(or do not know they should care) about the cross contamination issues.

I might add, whenever I have had discussions with families with differeng comfort with foods and brands, their children's PA is well managed. They are not having reactions. becca

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On Mar 30, 2005

I'd never heard of Philly Swirl until I found this forum. I've never seen them in stores. If I had, I'm sure I would have bought them, since I hear they are both peanut and diary free.

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On Mar 30, 2005

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Originally posted by Darkmage: [b]I'd never heard of Philly Swirl until I found this forum. I've never seen them in stores. If I had, I'm sure I would have bought them, since I hear they are both peanut and diary free.

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You can still get them. They stopped making their ice cream sandwich, which isn't dairy free anyway and it seems like that is something you need.

However, you can still get their frozen pops, which are quite good. They also have a sugar free line which is only sold at Stop & Shop and Sam's Club.

On Mar 30, 2005

I support them for being peanut free, allergy aware and good tasty treats. I have passed out there coupons and written to Disney to suggest a safe alternative for those with PA and gluten allergies. Alex is super nice and I wish them luck.

On Mar 30, 2005

I just got home from Market Basket. I needed to pick up a few things, including PS for DD's school.

There weren't ANY PS products on the shelf. There weren't even any labels for any PS products on the shelf.

I would have talked to someone about it but the store was already closed. I'll call tomorrow.

On Mar 30, 2005

Lauren's Mom, is your question really in a broader sense, i.e., not necessarily to do with Philly Swirl, but using Philly Swirl as an example? What do we want from ANY manufacturer? This thought came to me some time to-day, and while certainly Philly Swirl *could* be included in one's answer, it might be interesting to see what people want separate from the situation that Philly Swirl is finding itself in.

Interesting enough (or not), I received two e-mails back so far from my group e-mail, both from Canadians who would like to try the product if only they could find it.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Mar 30, 2005

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Originally posted by csc: [b]Lauren's Mom, is your question really in a broader sense, i.e., not necessarily to do with Philly Swirl, but using Philly Swirl as an example? What do we want from ANY manufacturer? This thought came to me some time to-day, and while certainly Philly Swirl *could* be included in one's answer, it might be interesting to see what people want separate from the situation that Philly Swirl is finding itself in.

Interesting enough (or not), I received two e-mails back so far from my group e-mail, both from Canadians who would like to try the product if only they could find it.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img][/b]

My question was, as you said, a broader question, but it was rhetorical, really, as I took it upon myself to answer it but left the door open for you to agree or disagree.

My purpose was to point out that the we had an answer to that question right in front of us here in the U.S.

I don't believe, for the U.S. anyway, no other manufacturer other fits the bill.

On Mar 31, 2005

First a note to Cindy regarding a post you made in this thread. Chapman's was originally peanut-free, but they didn't advertise as such. Years ago, I called them and was told what was produced in a peanut free facility, and what was produced on a peanut free line. They were one of the first companies I encountered that distinguished between the two. That was prior to my siging up on this board.

But, Nestle was the first company in Canada to really start putting the PEANUT FREE in bold on the front of their packaging. But really, they took it a lot further then just that. They invested money in educational materials and videos - and they got their logo put on everything. They became known as the *safe to share* treat at schools.

When Chapman's finally decided to put the PEANUT FREE on their label they did a large advertising campaign at the same time. TV, magazines, in-store promotions. But, honestly, I don't remember PEANUT FREE being their big selling point. It was definitely mentioned though. Their biggest selling points are excellent quality combined with cheaper price.

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As for PS - the only thing I can say is that pa.com only has a portion of the pa individuals living in the US. The others will only become aware of the product either through advertising or by accident. We are here to help anyone we can (including companies that manufacture peanut-free products) but we don't go cruising the internet looking for pa people. (Well, at least I don't. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] ) The word needs to get to the bigger community - and that is the companies responsibility. (Sorry if that sounds crude - but it's just my read on it.)

And, if there are other, cheaper options available then non-pa people are going to usually buy the cheaper option. With or without nuts - people want the most for their money.

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Also, I think there are a few companies that set out specifically to be peanut-free, but accepted that as such their sales would be limited. They weren't really in it *for the money*. There was a cookie company (Erik do you remember their name - they were sold in Loblaws) and they had no preservatives either. But, they were very pricey - and I for one was not going to spend that kind of money on a treat very often. Occasionally maybe. But people who could buy other fresh baked cookies a lot cheaper - I doubt they would have even tried them.

On Mar 31, 2005

Lauren's Mom, I'm not clear how it was a rhetorical question.

Do people want great labeling? Are they okay with the labeling they currently have? Would people experience great joy when they did see a "peanut free" logo on a product?

Canadian again, so fairly lucky in that I think we do have great labeling and there are the companies I listed in this thread that do have the "peanut free" logo (or the latest one said "nut free") and wow, what a great feeling!

It is so wonderful to be able to go into the grocery store in this country. Not that I don't have to read labels. But just to know that certain items are automatically safe, no doubts about it?

It has really helped me as far as being able to figure out *mystery* reactions (although my son has only had two) because I can implicitly trust quite a few companies.

So, yes, I want all of that and support the "peanut free" companies as best as I can.

How much more expensive is Philly Swirl than it's competition (someone did mention it was more expensive)?

Even within the last month, I have had a couple of surprises - never thought to check products that were previously unsafe, they were just always written off as far as I was concerned. Well lo and behold, thanks to people posting here, if I didn't find out that two cereals that were previously not PA safe now are. And again, what a great feeling.

But there is a special joy that happens when you see the "peanut free" logo. Really. I know that sounds over-the-top, but it's not.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Mar 31, 2005

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Originally posted by csc: [b]Lauren's Mom, I'm not clear how it was a rhetorical question. [/b]

LOL...I'm not sure what you're looking for csc.

"a rhetorical question is one asked solely to produce an effect (especially to make an assertion) rather than to elicit a reply"

The question was - what do we want? The answer I provided was peanut free foods. I made an assumption that most if not all people on this board would answer this way.

If we can get by this, I think we are talking the same language. :-)

On Mar 31, 2005

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Originally posted by LaurensMom: [b] "a rhetorical question is one asked solely to produce an effect (especially to make an assertion) rather than to elicit a reply"

The question was - what do we want? The answer I provided was peanut free foods. I made an assumption that most if not all people on this board would answer this way.[/b]

completely understand. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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If we can get by this, I think we are talking the same language. :-)[/b]

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On Mar 31, 2005

Well, because of this thread, I e-mailed PS, asking about being peanut and dairy free. I got a reply today. As I said earlier, I had never heard of them. Now I will look for them when I shop. According to the web site, they should be in a store or two in my area.

I'll probably go to all this work, and my son won't like them! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

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On Mar 31, 2005

Lauren's Mom, sorry, we were talking the same language. I didn't think it was a rhetorical question at all.

What I would be interested in seeing is more response to your original question in this thread, separate from the Philly Swirl dilemma, KWIM? What do people actually want?

I've already posted what I want and do believe I get, for the most part, here in Canada.

And that JOY with the "peanut free" logo - I would love it if all of everyone here could experience that.

No, I wasn't nitpicking - I was saying that I didn't think you were asking a rhetorical question.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Mar 31, 2005

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Originally posted by csc: [b]What I would be interested in seeing is more response to your original question in this thread, separate from the Philly Swirl dilemma, KWIM? What do people actually want?

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On Apr 1, 2005

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Originally posted by csc: [b]Lauren's Mom, sorry, we were talking the same language. I didn't think it was a rhetorical question at all.

What I would be interested in seeing is more response to your original question in this thread, separate from the Philly Swirl dilemma, KWIM? What do people actually want?

I've already posted what I want and do believe I get, for the most part, here in Canada.

And that JOY with the "peanut free" logo - I would love it if all of everyone here could experience that.

No, I wasn't nitpicking - I was saying that I didn't think you were asking a rhetorical question.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img][/b]

csc, I can't answer more specifically to what people want. As for myself, what do I want? I believe I was making that point across my posts on this thread - peanut-free listed on the label that I can purchase at my neighborhood grocery store - to experience that "joy" that you have - that is what I personally want.

If that isn't what you're looking for, maybe someone else can jump in because we're not communicating well on this point, it appears.

[This message has been edited by LaurensMom (edited April 01, 2005).]

On Apr 1, 2005

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Originally posted by LaurensMom: [b]Now I wonder how we can ever expect any company to be peanut-free when we can't even support the one that exists after all the $$$ they put into it.

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[i]good point.[/i] and if there *are* enough companies that *are*, then I'm surprised when people voice concern over companies that *aren't*. KWIM? I mean, either as a community, there exists a need, or there doesn't?

Yes, indeed, *what do we want*?

([i]Why do I hear tchaikovsky?[/i])

On Apr 1, 2005

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Originally posted by MommaBear: [b] [i]good point.[/i] and if there *are* enough companies that *are*, then I'm surprised when people voice concern over companies that *aren't*. KWIM? I mean, either as a community, there exists a need, or there doesn't?

Yes, indeed, *what do we want*?

([i]Why do I hear tchaikovsky?[/i])

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[i]Thank you![/i]

[i]That[/i] was what I have been trying to say!

On Apr 1, 2005

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Originally posted by LaurensMom: [b] [i]Thank you![/i]

[i]That[/i] was what I have been trying to say![/b]

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] [i]your greatly welcome[/i].

very easy language to understand. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]

On Apr 3, 2005

Given that this is closely related to other threads that are running on this board, I re-raised this to see if there were any more comments.

On Apr 3, 2005

[url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum11/HTML/002218.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum11/HTML/002218.html[/url]

On Apr 4, 2005

Thanks for posting the link MommaBear. I'm re-raising this again because I think this has a slightly different flavor (no pun intended) from the post you linked. But it is related and, I think, important.

On Apr 4, 2005

We tried it once and didn't like it as much as Good Humor which labels, and Good Humor was significanly cheaper.

On Apr 4, 2005

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Originally posted by LaurensMom: [b]I'm re-raising this again because I think this has a slightly different flavor (no pun intended) from the post you linked. But it is related and, I think, important.[/b]

don't know where else to put this, but *it is related, I think.* [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Is there a government [b]standardized set criteria[/b] for using the logo/symbol "Peanut Free"? If there isn't, do you think if there was, folk would look at it differently, and manufacturers be more apt to meet those criteria?

No advice, just a few questions. That's all.

On Apr 4, 2005

I just noticed in the store that 2 of the other companies are now producing new swirl ice pops (Breyers and Popsicle). Those scoundrels! This has to hurt PhillySwirl. Theirs was an original idea, and now the big guys are in on it. We will continue to buy the PhillySwirls, but the average consumer might just see the same product and pick up a more familiar name. I hope not.

On Apr 4, 2005

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Originally posted by MommaBear: [b] don't know where else to put this, but *it is related, I think.* [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Is there a government [b]standardized set criteria[/b] for using the logo/symbol "Peanut Free"? If there isn't, do you think if there was, folk would look at it differently, and manufacturers be more apt to meet those criteria?

No advice, just a few questions. That's all.

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I don't think there is and I'm not sure I'd want one. I'd have to think about it.

I'm not sure I'd trust a product based on criteria created by the goverment becuase I would bet that the governement would allow for an acceptable limit. I can't say for certain, obviously.

On Apr 4, 2005

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Originally posted by LaurensMom: [b] I don't think there is and I'm not sure I'd want one. I'd have to think about it.

I'm not sure I'd trust a product based on criteria created by the goverment becuase I would bet that the governement would allow for an acceptable limit. [/b]

Do you think "Peanut Free" in some instances, does already?

On Apr 4, 2005

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Originally posted by MommaBear: [b] Do you think "Peanut Free" in some instances, does already? [/b]

Hi Momma Bear,

I can't speak for the USA, but in Canada, a 'peanut-free' label indicates that it truly is peanut-free. Nestle, Chapmans, Dempsters, Touche Bakery, Bransons, DARE foods, Trebor Allan, etc all produce 100% peanut-free products that actualy are peanut-free.

Here is an excerpt from the Chapmans ( [url="http://www.chapmans.ca/english/index.html"]http://www.chapmans.ca/english/index.html[/url] )web site :

[i]At Chapman's Ice Cream we are very aware of the increase in the food based allergic reactions in the population, especially to peanut and nut base products.

Our Director of Quality Assurance heads up our risk management team, and is responsible for the education of each new employee as well as any contractors that may be working within the plant environment. Our lunchrooms are nut free and access in monitored. Our staff of lab technicians are ever vigilant to identify and control risks throughout operations. The company executives stand behind all policies 100% and assist in implementation and execution.

Our lab tests every batch of mix that is used on nut free lines. They also test the finished product prior to release to market with our in house Veratox system, which is an analytical test procedure for detecting traces of peanut protein. [/i]

Here is the logo that Chapman's places on their packaging: [img]http://www.chapmans.ca/media/symbols/peanutflag.gif[/img]

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Here is the Nestle Canada peanut-free promise: [url="http://www.nestle.ca/NR/rdonlyres/740CE8EB-3A9E-4193-B44A-41A48B18BCF2/0/PeanutFreePromise.pdf"]http://www.nestle.ca/NR/rdonlyres/740CE8EB-3A9E-4193-B44A-41A48B18BCF2/0/PeanutF reePromise.pdf[/url]

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Touche Bakery is totally peanut-free as well. More details at [url="http://www.touchebakery.com/"]http://www.touchebakery.com/[/url]

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In Canada, manufacturers that state they are peanut-free are truly peanut free.

note- if I see a product by an unknown company that stated peanut-free, I would investigate it before purchasing - for the regular Canadian companies listed above, I do not hesitate to buy these products as they are safe [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

[This message has been edited by erik (edited April 04, 2005).]

On Apr 4, 2005

Naturemom, the same thing happened here with the Super Cones that Chapman's makes, the ones like Drumsticks except with rice krispies instead of peanuts on top. We now have a "no name" brand, which I do suspect is made by Chapman's. I haven't compared prices yet though.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Apr 4, 2005

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Originally posted by MommaBear: [b] Do you think "Peanut Free" in some instances, does already?

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Do I think a peanut-free label still may contain "insignificant" amounts of peanut?

No.

I have an inkling of what Alex and Vermont Nut Free went through to get certifications from their suppliers so they could state they were peanut free.

On Apr 4, 2005

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Originally posted by LaurensMom: [b] Do I think a peanut-free label still may contain "insignificant" amounts of peanut?

No.

I have an inkling of what Alex and Vermont Nut Free went through to get certifications from their suppliers so they could state they were peanut free.[/b]

would you like there to be a similiar regulated, "standard", [b]mandatory [/b]set of criteria of sorts in order for the label to be applied?

On Apr 5, 2005

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Originally posted by MommaBear: [b] would you like there to be a similiar regulated, "standard", [b]mandatory [/b]set of criteria of sorts in order for the label to be applied?[/b]

I guess I don't care as long as the "standard" is that no-peanuts means no-peanuts. If it means anything other than that, I would care (and I think it would be disasterous!)

On Apr 5, 2005

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Originally posted by LaurensMom: [b] I guess I don't care as long as the "standard" is that no-peanuts means no-peanuts. If it means anything other than that, I would care (and I think it would be disasterous!)[/b]

continuing to speak the language, and now the question just begging,

.....do you think it would be prudent for the manufacturing and packaging industry to do define it sooner than later?

Would you believe, where I shop for groceries, there are brownies in the bakery section that have in a neon red label: "[b]Nut-Free Brownies[/b]", but at the end of ingredient list: [b] "made on the same equipment that processes peanuts and treenuts."[/b]

It's not the first time I've seen something like that. Wonder who they *think* they are marketing to?

On Apr 5, 2005

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Originally posted by MommaBear: [b] continuing to speak the language, and now the question just begging,

.....do you think it would be prudent for the manufacturing and packaging industry to do define it sooner than later?[/b]

Are we talking a self-imposed standard - a CYA thing - (e.g. if we say peanut-free we mean peanut free or we risk major law suits) or are we talking about a government mandated standard?

[b] Would you believe, where I shop for groceries, there are brownies in the bakery section that have in a neon red label: "[b]Nut-Free Brownies[/b]", but at the end of ingredient list: [b] "made on the same equipment that processes peanuts and treenuts."[/b]

It's not the first time I've seen something like that. Wonder who they *think* they are marketing to? [/b][/quote]

I believe you because you say so but I don't believe it...I mean...I don't believe them...the manufacturer!

I do have opinions on this but I'm at work and a little busy today and can't organize my thoughts. Just took a quick break. You seem to have a train of though going. Where are you going with this? What is on your mind? :-)

It is a difficult issue. I don't trust the goverment at all.

Are there standards for lactose/gluten free? No, lactose intolerance isn't fatal but celiac disease could be if a person is eating something regularly that claimed to be gluten free that wasn't.

I'm trying to see if there is a difference between this and PA.

On Apr 5, 2005

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Originally posted by MommaBear: [b] continuing to speak the language, and now the question just begging,

.....do you think it would be prudent for the manufacturing and packaging industry to do define it sooner than later?[/b]

Perhaps the US food industry needs to define peanut-free labels as peanut allergy awareness is not as common in the USA.

However, in Canada, the 'peanut-free' label does not need to be defined. Peanut allergy awareness is at a very high level in Canada, so Canadian manufacturers use the label only when a product is truly peanut-free.

On Apr 5, 2005

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Originally posted by erik: [b] Perhaps the US food industry needs to define peanut-free labels as peanut allergy awareness is not as common in the USA.

However, in Canada, the 'peanut-free' label does not need to be defined. Peanut allergy awareness is at a very high level in Canada, so Canadian manufacturers use the label only when a product is truly peanut-free.

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Didn't MommaBear just present an example of that where it wasn't true? In any case I'll agree that Canada is much more aware than the US.

On Apr 5, 2005

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Originally posted by LaurensMom: [b] Didn't MommaBear just present an example of that where it wasn't true? In any case I'll agree that Canada is much more aware than the US.[/b]

Yes, Momma bear did present an example of that, but my point was that Canadian manufacturers do not label like this. Maybe you need to define what "peanut-free" means in the USA snce it is an unknown quanity down there, but here in Canada, it has already been defined by our national manufacturers (Nestle Canada, Chapmans, Dempsters, Trebor Allan, Dare Foods, etc). I can not think of even one Canadian manufacturer that uses the "peanut-free" label incorrectly.

And we also have the Canadian Food Inpection Agency (CFIA), an agent of the federal government, that ensures that labelling is correct - they do test food items for allergens, and they do issue recalls if products are labelled incorrectly. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Apr 5, 2005

Momma Bear, being the Canadian I am, and agreeing with everything erik has posted about our GREAT labeling and the CFIA, I am taken aback by the label you saw. Taken aback. Shocked. Stunned. Silenced.

Can one say that this would NEVER happen in Canada? I'm not clear, but I have yet to see it.

I find that absolutely shocking! Again, as erik very clearly and calmly outlined, it's just not something you would see done here in Canada.

Did you ever call/contact the company? That's the day I would have been using the cell phone from the grocery store! Wowser!

(I do think this thread is showing how there is a great difference between Canadian and American labeling though - I think we all kinda knew it already, but I almost feel embarrassed posting because things are so good here for us).

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Apr 5, 2005

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Originally posted by csc: [b]

Did you ever call/contact the company? That's the day I would have been using the cell phone from the grocery store! Wowser![/b]

I talked to the manager of the bakery. Seems like a multistep processing issue. Anywhooo, never got a return phone call back from a contact number. The package *did* have a "processed on" warning on it. I always read the label. Of course, yes it's confusing, but I had to ask myself if they were marketing to folk who just want brownies without nuts? Like "without beans" chili, I mean, I'd still read the label, maybe make some phone calls to check for certain legumes my oldest cub is allergic to. Probably wouldn't even give it to him at all, even if I got the *right* answers.

Again, in a way, I kinda understood what the manager was trying to say. I think the manager kinda understood my perspective too. My eschewed things with nuts and peanuts because of dentition difficulties. Not allergies. Now she eschewes them for the sake of my cubs. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Anywhoooo. I kind of understood. And so did the manager. In spite of the consensus that by all indications, I am *supposed* to have communication difficulties. I think I understand things better than most people think or expect. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]

Anywhooo. Back on track. I'm reminded of the questions raised by declaring food items "organic". Was it ever determined what constituted "organic"? Are there hard and fast standards? Thinking of "heart healthy", "diet", "low carb", "low cholesterol", [i]whatever[/i]. Are they relative, or "hard and fast"?

Any opinion on the conflicting (or not) labelling of the brownies? Would a manufacturer have "covered" themselves with the "processed on" warning? If there was a "standard" for "______- free"? If there wasnt'?

Anyone? (Am I speaking a common language? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] )

Maybe it's just me. And those [i]little voices I hear sometimes[/i]. KWIM?

Despite labels.

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[b](I do think this thread is showing how there is a great difference between Canadian and American labeling though - I think we all kinda knew it already, but I almost feel embarrassed posting because things are so good here for us).

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img][/b]

that said, I don't think it would be any easier in Canada for *me* to find a variety of foods easily that my cubs can eat safely. I do not find it difficult. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Maybe it's just me.

General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. Just describing my own highly individual, personal, and unique experience.

On Apr 5, 2005

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Originally posted by MommaBear: [b]I always read the label [/b]

and much more. some of the thought process, I probably don't know how to describe. Stream of consciousness, big picture thing. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Why I tell people, "don't feed my children".

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