I am ashamed of the people in my city

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[url="http://www.stuffclub.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=322"]http://www.stuffclub.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=322[/url] This is someone in my city who wrote this. I hope the link was posted correctly. ~Jenna

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On Oct 23, 2004

This is very familiar. This article has shown up here before. Maybe even "stuffguy" himself?

With "friends" like these...

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img] Miriam

On Oct 23, 2004

I'm not at all suprised by this article - I'm sure there are many PA adults who feel the same way he does. Growing up with no accomodations or allergy knowledge does tend to skew ones viewpoint. However, having a PA child I realize that just because I went through it and survived doesn't mean I ever want my child to have the same experiences! The key differences that this guy needs to realize are that:

1. People's reactions and sensitivities are different. What was okay for him might not be okay for another.

2. Peanut products are much more prevalent in today's society than they were 10, 20, 30 years ago.

3. Just because you had to suffer through something doesn't mean that others should also. Change with the times - there are more pa people than ever and more education than ever. Why begrudge someone for having a safer childhood than your own? Bike helmets, seat belts, and infant car seats were also unheard of in generations past does that mean our children shouldn't use those things?

This article seemed to me similar to a grandad with the back in *my* day we walked 5 miles to school - barefoot - in the snow - uphill both ways type stories. Not to be taken seriously; just a rant.

Rebekah

[url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum3/HTML/000864.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum3/HTML/000864.html[/url]

Edited to add link to discussion I just found

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On Oct 24, 2004

I totally agree with much of what this chap said. sarah

On Oct 24, 2004

for some reason, instead of "peanuts" this article is striking a chord with me re: "socialization". [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] I mean, for the greater part [i]that's[/i] how [b] I [/b] learned where the lions were.[/i]

On Oct 24, 2004

While I do agree with what he inially said it was the responses to ;him I did not agree with. One respondant was mad because they couldn't send pb and j sandwhicehs? Yeah, so what? Can't afford to send meat sandwhishes everyday? If this person sent a peanut butter sandwhich every day of the week they would spend just as much on lunchmeat anyways, first of all. Second of all I do not send meat everyday I have used my creativity and come up with some pretty awesome cheap and healthy alternitives. Kids are picky I know that.No one wants to eat the same thing day in and day out.However there are alot of other things you can provide that won't kill another kid. I have taught my son all the things he needs to know about his allergy and I have had to as I can not possibly be with him 24/7. I do not agree in sheltering a child it makes it worse and harder when they do leave the nest.Reality bites. Yet, it is everywhere. Another taste of reality is a: he is still just a kid, so why put things in his life that could ultimetly kill him? b: as long as this ignorant attitude towards allergies is maintained we will have to insist on them not allowed in the schools and finally C: the people with the attitude such as the second respondant had will never change thier attitude until they actually see what happens to a child who's throat is closing on them! I also wanted to point out that "stuff guy" was in school years ago and reality is is that there simpley weren't the the levels of dangers there are now.Period.Not to mention I think he was just sh*t lucky. My son will leave the nest one day and he will not insist everyone everywhere get rid of nuts he will be able to control his own exposure and decide for himself. I will be damned if and idiot mother will take taht from him just because thier kid had to have that peanut butter sandwhich.

------------------ ~NUT CRUSHER~

On Oct 25, 2004

I wonder if "stuffguy" has any PA children? "Stuffguy" shows a decided lack of understanding of a parent's point of view. Perhaps some of the peanut restrictions are one step too far, but if it will save a parent a heap of anxiety isn't that of some benefit to society - you know, what goes around comes around and all that?

On Sep 5, 2005

I know I'm a year late, but [url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum3/HTML/000864.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum3/HTML/000864.html[/url] should give you all the discussion you might need.. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Sep 5, 2005

And really, why this should make you ashamed of me, really does make me wonder.

Truth is truth. Your children will grow up, and it's how you prepare them when they are small that will determine how well they can cope with reality once you aren't here. It's my opinion that sheltering, and not educating your kids are just setting them up for trouble in the long run.

How you raise your kids is definately your own business, but my opinion, especially when it comes to PA, is still my own.

On Sep 5, 2005

Okay, I didn't say I was ashamed of you. I said I was ashamed of the people in my city. If this includes you well, then so be it.

You didn't read my post. I said a great big speel about what I think of "sheltering". I do not demand my whole school go peanut/nut free. I have taught my son the dangers through talking to him, pointing them out an teaching him how to respond to the exposures and the aftermath to exposure. He knows and takes very good care of himself.

What angered me the most was the promotion of the angry parents because they couldn't take the cheap easy way out of helping their community out. Really? If it was their children with the allergy then they would likely go much much further than I have with my own. Heck, even members here go to the enth degree when it comes to these LIFE THREATNING allergies. It is all about life and the comfort zones each of us are in. If it is to much for you to help a CHILD LIVE than frankly you do not belong in this world. This is what I have said to others and will continue to say to parents who stand outside my child's classroom dangling potentially deadly items and waggling them around in front of him like I have seen ADULTS do out of anger because of my son. They should be thanking the good lord they have healthy children.

When you went to school your allergy was likely very unheard of. I know that when I went to school there were NO other kids with these allergies. NONE!! I went to a huge school. Same as when I went to highschool. People need to learn to adapt to the ever changing world.

Please read the entire posts as you will benefit from them, before you decide that I shelter rather than educate. I do not agree with you antagonistic views. I do not apreciate you posting a link that sends me to others I have already read.

~Jenna

On Sep 5, 2005

Hello Stuffguy - just when I was wishing I could add my two cents to this old thread - here you are.

You obviously weren't a parent when you wrote your statement about PA.

You don't know anything about a five year old. Can you honestly tell me that you would trust a five year old child to make good decisions regarding what he/she can or can't eat when a mistake is potentially life threatening? If you say yes, then I say BUNK! You don't know kids. If you think that 'educating' your five year old will prevent accidental ingestion of peanuts, then you are a fool.

I'm not the mother of a PA child. I'm a grandmother with adult-onset PA and there's no way on God's green earth that I believe your philosophy. It may work with 8 year olds and some five year olds - but not all.

This is why I would fight for PN free classrooms - to protect these little kids that aren't old or wise enough YET to make sound decisions in spite of being educated about PA.

Write back to us when you're a parent of a five year old. I'd like to hear if you have changed your mind.

On Sep 5, 2005

Adele, stuffguy has already stated in his other link that he does not give a rats behind about the children in the schools or the issues surrounding our children. Does that not say it all?

If I could quote I would. I do not seem to get a handle on it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] He posted the link in his last post in this thread.

Gets me hot!!! I think he is from my city that is why I titled the thread what I did. He is close to my age as well. Which shocked me.

Bottom line is this: Without our children there will be no future.

~Jenna

On Sep 5, 2005

deleted, I did post that I thought that maybe stuffguy was from england, but he's not. He's from my london. I likely went to school with him!!! Wouldn't that be a hoot?

~Jenna

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On Sep 5, 2005

The bottom line is that he isn't a parent. He doesn't know kids....especially little ones.

Another point - he can 'taste' peanuts. Not all kids can.

I have a five-year old grand daughter (a BRILLIANT five year old grand daughter, I might add) in full-time kindergarten....they eat their lunch at school. She isn't PA but if she were - and in a kindergarten that allowed peanut butter, etc. there's no way I would trust her judgement and education regarding PA to keep her safe.

If kids were so smart they wouldn't run out in front of cars and get run over. How many times do you educate your child to 'look both ways' before crossing a street, etc. and how many kids are run over every year?

Sorry Stuffguy, when it comes to little kids, you don't have a clue.

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On Sep 6, 2005

This may have already come up in the previous discussion, but what about the proliferation of processed foods now as compared to 20 years ago? Technology in food production has created a host cross-contamination issues that probably didn't exist to the extent that it does now. My daughter could recognize obvious sources of peanuts when she was five, but most adults even now find it difficult to manage all the complicated factors regarding label reading.

I wonder if Snuffguy's situation as a child is really the same situation for a child today...

On Sep 6, 2005

LOL Gail Snuff guy? LOL!!

We all know the ramifications of this allergy. Stuff guy says he has the allergy but really I wonder. I have thought the "he" is really just a disgruntled "she".

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. However the sheer me,me,me of the attitude does, after reading things on this site, you'd think that the message would have gotten across by now.

At any rate there is another link with all the debate in it. I didn't know when I posted this thread.

My only issue was the article promoted the ignorance of the non allergic parents and children.Ignorance is bliss they say, but here it is death.

~Jenna

On Sep 6, 2005

Heh. Apologies to all you you new to the allergy. I bluthered in the other thread about it, so I shan't resay it here. In short, it gets easier.

Now Jenna does bring up a good point, and one that you should read more into than "there are insensitive people in the world trying to kill my children".

[i]At any rate there is another link with all the debate in it. I didn't know when I posted this thread.

My only issue was the article promoted the ignorance of the non allergic parents and children.Ignorance is bliss they say, but here it is death.[/i]

If you read the comments, you'll see all kinds of posts from parents spouting their anger at not being able to send peanut-butter sandwiches to school with their kids. Somone quoted death stats, someone commented on smuggling in peanut food. Why did I not cull these posts out?

Because they are reality.

These are the people that you are sending your kids to school with, these are the people who your kids are playing with.

Unless you've either had the allergy, or have a kid with it, you may give it lip service, but you don't give a rat's ass. If you've got an allergic kid visiting you, you'll avoid feeding them things that obviously have peanuts in them, but you aren't going to give much thought to the double-dipped jam. And if you're not exposed to the kid as a visitor? All you know is that it inconveniences you, and no school should be able to tell you what to feed your kids.

As much as we'd like it not to be true, this is the reality. And this isn't just the reality in childhood. Peanuts aren't illegal, many people eat them, and they are a childhood staple to many. Many people even think that peanut butter and peanuts are different things.

And really, until faced with the allergy in a direct way, it's hard to conceptualize of it's severity.

So it's good to know that there is no place that is completely safe, and that watchfulness and education is your only defence.

On Sep 6, 2005

We all know the ramifications of this allergy. Stuff guy says he has the allergy but really I wonder. I have thought the "he" is really just a disgruntled "she".

Heh.. I can only wish, but then it's unlikely that I'd ever leave the house, if I had boobies readily attached to me. *grin*

I do apologize though.. I did misread your post. I didn't realize you were referring to the "inconvenienced parents" posts in the comments. But there's no need to get mean, and get me off on dreams of having boobies of my own. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Sep 6, 2005

And yes. I'm from your london. *waves*

On Sep 6, 2005

I haven't had time to read all the posts, but I do have to say that I HAVE to teach my little guy to look after himself. There will always be people who whole-heartedly believe that it is MORE important for THEIR child to be able to eat PB&J than my child's safety. There will always be people who don't care, or even knowing put my child into harm's way because they think I'm crazy. There will always be people who mean well but don't know all the in's & out's of the allergy. All I can do is all I can do, and trust me, I will always do whatever I can to protect the life of my little boy. To do otherwise would be to admit defeat, would it not? However, the world at it's best is a terribly unfriendly place, and I have to teach my boy how to look after himself. And that's all this is about, isn't it? At some point our children are going to be responsible for their own lives and safety, as terrifying as the thought may be, and we have to give them the skills and knowledge and TRUST that they will be able to take care of themselves. In spite of people who don't give a rat's ass about what happens to them. It's just how it is. I'd like to think I could spend the rest of my life protecting my son's, but I know that's not how it works. Wish I could feel better about it...and hopefully I will as he grows older and more responsible.

Lori

On Sep 7, 2005

The letter came home on the first day of school. It is the same letter that has gone out with the class on the first day of school every year since he started.

It is a good letter but, not the letter I would love to send home. I would love to send home a letter describing what happens to my son when peanuts get into his system. By law I am not allowed to do this,it would be to "alarming to the other parents", is what I was told. Yeah, and I thought? How about about the alarm my son feels as doctors are racing around the E.R room frantically shoving tubes and devices on him,around him and IN him? Parents only need to see that once to know that I am not crazy.

I do not require the entire school to be nut free. Even though my son has had documented ana. reactions to peanuts.MY niece startd school yesterday and my sis-in-law called to tell me that the school is very strict about it. I asked her who was manning 800+lunches? She said she didn't know. I asked if she thought it was even possible to man that many? She doesn't think so and my principle has told me flat out that it is impossible.

So, collectively we decided that just his classroom needed to be pa/tna free. It is actually safer for him to assume that he is having a reaction to nuts when he is stressing then to falsely think it is something else and not give the epi. With all those lunches it is likely that a nutty treat will slip by.

My sil was shocked. I told her better to have him looking out for himself now as I am raising men not boys. He does not share lunches or snacks and I don't send him anywhere I get "the feeling" he may be in danger. He has been invited to his friends homes and I just had that feeling that he would not be safe or his allergy wouldn't be monitored. He also has more of a social life than I do.

In reality I fear more about the asthma than I do anything else. He has had more accute attacks both here and away that stand to kill him faster and more frequent than the nuts do. He has never had a problem at the school with nuts.

Snuffguy, if you can still do such articles why not do one on the statistics of deaths in Canadian schools re-peanuts/nuts? Get some examples together of instances where kids died because of a slip up. Let parents know what happens during an anaphalactic shock episode. My son says it is like being sat on and then told to breath through a straw.

~Jenna

On Sep 7, 2005

Snuffguy, if you can still do such articles why not do one on the statistics of deaths in Canadian schools re-peanuts/nuts? Get some examples together of instances where kids died because of a slip up. Let parents know what happens during an anaphalactic shock episode. My son says it is like being sat on and then told to breath through a straw.

My memories are faint about my own last one; my memories are more about getting yanked out of bed and force-fed benadryl. I could only really comment about how contaminated food burns my mouth, and that's hardly something that raises sympathy.

If you want to browse the stats and put together something and submit it, I'd defiantely look at publishing it. I'm a big fan of truth, so any "scare stats" you might find had better be objective and verifiable. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I've never looked for stats either way so I have no idea what might be out there.

I have no objection to a follow-up article from a different viewpoint, as long as it uses verifiable data and good stats.

Honestly, I think the stats on asthma deaths will be higher, but that's only a personal guesstimate based on the number of people that I know who've died of asthma vs PA. I was fortunate enough not to get asthma with my PA, which, as I understand it, is a common corollary..

Feel free to write up an article. If you stick to the facts and don't exaggerate, I'll publish it. Anonymous commenting has been disabled since the comment-spam epidemic, so don't expect much in the way of discussion or feedback, but there are a whole whack of eyeballs that will read it.. Try to phrase it as public interest, not self interest, and people will probably even listen.

Cheers!

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