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How many of you decided to home-school your children because of the peanut allergy? Was it the deciding factor or just one of many? Do you enjoy it and do you feel as though your children get enought socialization? Also, what do you do if you have to teach material that you have never had before or it has been so long that you have forgotten?

On Oct 1, 2003

We are riding the fence now about homeschooling. I considered it BEFORE finding out about PA. I don't worry about socialization. My daughter is 3 now, so it's not yet relevant - but - she is in dance, has play dates, has been in martial arts, enrichment classes at the museum, Sunday School - and there are more opportunities for her as she gets older (sports leagues in the community and the like). I frankly worry about the socialization FROM school more than missing socialization out of school - ie, drugs, popular culture (MTV, etc), increasing aggression, sitting in little desks instead of hands-on learning, bullying, bad language, bad attitude ~ and don't get me started about dumbed down textbooks and subject matter. Still, we are on the fence - between the local Catholic school and homeschooling. The PA might push us into the homeschooling camp!!

On Oct 1, 2003

homeschooling knight to the rescue [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Yeah yeah, I'm the one always promoting homeschooling... I know.

PA did not push us into homeschooling, it was just one criterium amongst many.

First one: the drug dealer at the local public school was arrested in 4th grade. Yup, he was a student in the class. So, exit local public school.

Second: one private school told us that they would never allow the epipen with the kids, told us the school was peanut-free (vending machines were selling peanuts, how dumb did they think we were?). And when we pointed out these were not acceptable, we were told point-blank that they would choose another student with parents who don't raise a fuss. Exit choice #2.

Third: the other private school equated the peanut allergy to dust allergy. The director has a horrible spoken French (the official language here is French). Exit #3.

Fourth: our PA son is very advanced for his age, but misses the cutoff date to start school by 2 weeks. His derogation was refused. So even though he read the first Harry Potter book this summer, he would have been placed in Kindergarden, learning his ABCs. Hmmm. Exit all schools.

And then we started homeschooling, and I discovered a whole new world. As I see the other moms on the street hurrying to school with their own kids, I think about my own, still in their warm covers, asleep, and getting all their sleep hours.

When it's gorgeous outside, I think of the same neighbours, stuck in a classroom, while we go read/play/learn in the local parks. Today we went to the RCMP musical ride, and learned about horses, *real* horses, not from pictures. We talked to real riders.

When my son is sick, he can have a shorter school day, or simply skip it altogether.

We go to the public pool in the middle of the afternoon, and often have it all to ourselves. I hate noisy pools, especially indoor ones.

We go for ice cream, when other kids are being bused back home.

I tell ya, it's the only way to learn.

[This message has been edited by darthcleo (edited October 01, 2003).]

On Oct 1, 2003

Forgot to add, and don't feel like editing.

This is our second year homeschooling. We did the required material from kindegarden last year, from Sept. to Nov. and had fun the rest of the year. (fun can be very instructive too!)

This year, we do a mix of anything between first and 4th grade, depending on what curriculum you compare). I'm following a classical education, which means a heavy accent on history and geography. This year, we do prehistory and antiquity. Trust me, I have to learn it with my son, and he's faster than me!

We're doing Ancient Egypt, and use legends as reading material (why read from a dumb down text, when you can read the story of Horus and Seth, or the legend of Gilgamesh?) Today, Seb used the gods names as writing exercises. Colouring exercises are pyramids, gods, pharaos, etc...

So, do you remember who Hatshepsout is? I didn't either. :-)

[url="http://www.welltrainedmind.com/moreaboutbook.html"]http://www.welltrainedmind.com/moreaboutbook.html[/url] is what we use as inspiration here. She has TONS of resources to help parents who don't know who Hatshepsout was, or which nationality Hannibal was.

On Oct 1, 2003

I am just not sure *I* would be a good and patient teacher to my dd, or that she would be inclined to want to learn all the time *from me*, LOL! However, All the things Darthcleo writes about homeschooling have always appealed to me. I imagine you can accomplish alot more with the student teacher ratio at home and make much more creative use of your time. Here, there is school choice so the buses are going to numerous neighborhoods as well as numerous schools. Just one bus. The kindergartener across the street steps onto the bus at 8:45 am and gets off at 4:10 or a few minutes later in the afternoon. I know all that time is not in school. That is a long day, leaving little outside time for her.

I like your descriptions of your days, Darthcleo. To school in the park on a nice day, the hands on learning that there just isn't time for and the time to do what they really love and are good at(reading for your son).

We are only in preschool and my dd definately loves it and the social aspects of it more than anything. becca

On Oct 1, 2003

I should add that I have a very very bad temper, have no patience whatsoever, and am a lousy teacher.. LOL!!

Ok, so we all taught our children to walk and talk, no? Learning is inherent in a child, if you don't stand in its way, it will happen. People who think they don't have the necessary qualities often think of classroom teaching. Man, I'd get fired within 5 minutes. But teaching your own kids is different. It's like having a talk. You are *not* teaching, you are guiding.

And soon enough, the kids will be self learners anyway. It's already happening here with my son (he's 6 in 3 weeks). He took his books this morning, even before I had my first cup of coffee, and before I finished said cup, he had done his French work for the day.

On Oct 1, 2003

We initially decided to hs b/c of the allergies, but after giving it some thought I think we would hs anyway. I know there were lots of negative influence that I could have done without as a child and it's even worse now.

We are probably going to start out with a program called Five in a Row and expand from there as needed. There are so many choices available that you should have no problem choosing a cirriculum that fits your child's style. Keep in mind that teachers aren't born knowing the subjects that they teach. There are books and manuals that can guide you through any subject. You just learn a you go.

On Oct 1, 2003

darthcleo, just wondering, are you planning on homeschooling all the way through high school? You plead a good case, you make me want to pull my kids right out of school.

Heres another reason to homeschool... HEAD LICE!! The notes just came home that its going around again, amongst other things.

You really have me thinking!

On Oct 1, 2003

Hi Momma2boys

(yeah, we're skipping on head lice, and many colds, and chicken pox too. I should get them vaccinated against that, actually, because they're not really exposed to it. Hmmm. food for thought here).

To answer your question, *currently* we are planning to homeschool till the end of high school. It will be difficult to get the kids back to "standard" school because they are so far ahead. Statistically speaking, by the end of primary schooling, homeschooled kids are 4 years in advance compared to schooled kids. We're trying to avoid that trap by broadening the subjects we study instead of doing more of the central subjects. Classical education addresses that, by putting lots of emphasis on history, latin, logic. Stuff that has been pulled out of school.

Another good point for homeschooling: teaching parents will not move to a new chapter when the student reaches 60% comprehension. Most parents will wait till the student has over 90% before moving on, by adding exercises, or improvising extra work. There's no reason to move ahead, if the current work is not completely understood. One to one teaching has major advantages.

On Oct 1, 2003

We homeschool, also, and I will echo many of the sentiments stated previously by Darthcleo. I was always interested in homeschooling, even before we knew about my younger son's food allergies. But, since we moved to our town because of the quality of the school district (high taxes), we initially just followed what was typically done for our older son. When my younger, food allergic son was to enter school, we really explored our options. The food allergies gave us the courage to not follow the mainstream. After my older son saw what homeschooling was all about, he also chose to hs (this is his second year 9 y/o; my 6 1/2 y/o has always homeschooled).

Yes, we enjoy it. It is much more than academics. It is a lifestyle that allows children and families to grow and learn with each other and with people of all ages. My homeschooled children probably have more positive socialization than they would in school. They are involved with both homeschooled (we belong to a hs coop), as well as schooled peers during the many sports and club activities that they choose to take (they can participate in more chosen activities - where they learn and love what they are doing - because they do not come home from school wiped out). There is a lot of wasted time in school (early grades report only 1 1/2 to 2 hours of "on task" time within a 6 hour day). Homeschooled kids can do their work and then be able to explore and learn, doing the things that interest them.

In a school situation, where there are 20+ children per adult, there is also quite a bit of negative socialization, much of it overlooked or accepted. With homeschooling, one can teach their children how and what is polite, acceptable, decent behavior (not that they will always demonstrate this). They can learn from their family and people that you want them to be with, and not learn behaviors from a random group of twenty 8 year olds.

Additionally, my children are involved with children and adults of all ages in our daily lives. For example, part of their schooling involves choosing a project area. They are learning about agriculture by volunteering on an organic farm run by college students. They learn about planting, harvesting, pest management and more while interacting with some really great individuals. I feel that it is very important to teach children that even though they are young, they can contribute meaningfully to their world.

Regarding knowing the material, nobody could possibly learn everything there is to know or retain all that is learned. When we are researching a topic, we use books, the internet, and curriculum materials. My kids are learning about ants, and although I am not an entomologist, we read and do experiments together. I do not need to lecture on a subject, I just need to provide the materials to learn, and guide them. They are still young, so the subjects that they are learning are not complex. When homeschoolers reach about 15 years old, they often take college classes that interest them.

One more thing, there is self-motivation and a love-of-learning that develops with homeschooled kids, and it is really remarkable.

Take care, Andrea

On Oct 2, 2003

darthcleo and Andrea, It sounds like you guys are doing a great job! I think that the way Andrea said about having the courage to go against the mainstream shows why more people dont homeschool.

A lot of people, my dh included, still have that thought in their heads about the lack of socialization, etc. Well if I could tell you some of the things I've seen at my kids school!

Im about fed up with the public school system. They keep cutting aid to the schools but we can spend billions on Iraq. I cant even imagine what the schools will be like a couple years from now.

Well keep writing girls because Im reading it all to my dh, so maybe soon I'll be joining you.

On Oct 2, 2003

What got me interested in HS(my dd is in preschool and I do not HS at present) is the fact that she misses our K cutoff and will be 6 in Kindergarten. She could identify all her letters, even upside down, by 18 months, even though she could not speak them. Did simple addition in her head at 2(surprised me by using it functionally in a conversation once). This is nothing we have drilled into her. I enrolled her in preschool for nothing more that socialization! I do not think she is learning anything there we could not do in a week at home, truthfully. She was bored at home when she was a late 2y.o. Really likes lots of play with her peers(or all ages of children).

Anyway, I was thinking of getting a curriculum for the year she cannot go to K to work on thses things with her at home(or even first grade stuff). Just to keep her stimulated and wanting to learn in case she is itellectually bored. DH is really good about getting her engaged in letter games and number games, but I just seem to lack the talent to get her involved like that. Her mind is more like his, and I am very concrete and direct.

Anyway, I figure that way, if she starts K and grade school and is doing really well, she will get some extra stuff( they do have that in our system) and be in the groove of learning. Maybe she would get back up to the higher grade. I would rather do it this way than push her in early(there is a way to try to do that) and having her not keep up and repeat. I just think it is more motivating to excel, than to feel left behind.

So, I am wanting to look into having a grade K or 1 curriculum to work on at home. Who knows, maybe them I will get hooked! Actually, in our neighborhood, which I like alot and it is filled with great families, I think she might be socially outcast if she was not in school. And *she* would care and notice, even if my values say "be your own person." There are about 100 kids in 50 homes and many are very close. becca

On Oct 2, 2003

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Originally posted by becca: [b] I just think it is more motivating to excel, than to feel left behind. [/b]

That is not entirely true. Kids that excel in class don`t learn how to work. They don`t learn the necessity of effort. They also get bored. Good students are just as likely to drop out of school than bad students.

two of my cousins have kids like that. Way bright, and totally bored in school. The only reason they go to school is to be part of their gang, and unfortunately, those gangs are not a good thing (we`re talking high school here, rich kids with access to drugs). And those kids are now failing, btw, because they never worked, they are not interested and they`re just waiting to reach the age where they can leave school legally.

On Oct 2, 2003

On the topic of socialisation, in the early years it`s up to the mom (or dad) to ensure there is plenty of socialisation. You have to invite the neighbour kids into your own home, and have activities ready. You can even have some "school" activities. We invited a kid to play with the bow and arrows we had built. At 7 or so, scouts, church, and sports are starting.

Do expect to have kids over often though.

On Oct 2, 2003

becca, my son is 5 1/2, and was supposed to start kindergarten this year. He can read, at 4 1/2 was doing his brothers first grade math homework faster than his brother, and at the suggestion of the principal we had him tested before school started.

He tested above level at everything, up to second grade at some. He has always gotten along better with older children and does not have the personality where we want him bored at school. So we decided to start him in first grade. He is already in the top 3 in the class and says the work is too easy and boring.

Alot of people disagreed with us moving him up but I couldnt see sending him in kind. to learn his abc's and colors.

So this is where I think homeschooling would work out for us. Why have your child sitting in a room for a year waiting for the rest of the class to catch on, when they could be moving on and learning more.

On Oct 2, 2003

On the topic of socialisation, studies after studies have proven that homeschool kids are just as adjusted as schooled kids, with the average being better than schooled kids.

Take this publication for instance [url="http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/readmore.asp?sNav=pb&id=253"]http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/readmore.asp?sNav=pb&id=253[/url]

it has links to other studies, and it's a consistent result.

On Oct 2, 2003

Hi--I was going to homeschool until I realized that I just don't have time now with a baby due this month and three others ages 5 and under. But here is something amusing:

Two women meet at a playground, where their children are swinging and playing ball. The women are sitting on a bench watching. Eventually, they begin to talk... W1: Hi. My name is Maggie. My kids are the three in red shirts --helps me keep track of them. W2: (Smiles) I'm Terri. Mine are in the pink and yellow shirts. Do you come here a lot? W1: Usually two or three times a week, after we go to the library. W2: Wow. Where do you find the time? W1: We homeschool, so we do it during the day most of the time. W2: Some of my neighbors homeschool, but I send my kids to public school. W1:: How do you do it? W2: It's not easy. I go to all the PTO meetings and work with the kids every day after school and stay real involved. W1: But what about socialization? Aren't you worried about them being cooped up all day with kids their own ages, never getting the opportunity for natural relationships? W2: Well, yes. But I work hard to balance that. They have some friends who're homeschooled, and we visit their grandparents almost every month. W1: Sounds like you're a very dedicated mom. But don't you worry about all the opportunities they're missing out on? I mean they're so isolated from real life -- how will they know what the world is like -- what people do to make a living -- how to get along with all different kinds of people? W2: Oh, we discussed that at PTO, and we started a fund to bring real people into the classrooms. Last month, we had a policeman and a doctor come in to talk to every class. And next month, we're having a woman from Japan and a man from Kenya come to speak. W1: Oh, we met a man from Japan in the grocery store the other week, and he got to talking about his childhood in Tokyo. My kids were absolutely fascinated. We invited him to dinner and got to meet his wife and their three children. W2: That's nice. Hmm. Maybe we should plan some Japanese food for the lunchroom on Multicultural Day. W1: Maybe your Japanese guest could eat with the children. W2: Oh, no. She's on a very tight schedule. She has two other schools to visit that day. It's a system-wide thing we're doing. W1: Oh, I'm sorry. Well, maybe you'll meet someone interesting in the grocery store sometime and you'll end up having them over for dinner. W2: I don't think so. I never talk to people in the store -certainly not people who might not even speak my language. What if that Japanese man hadn't spoken English? W1: To tell you the truth, I never had time to think about it. Before I even saw him, my six-year-old had asked him what he was going to do with all the oranges he was buying. W2: Your child talks to strangers? W1: I was right there with him. He knows that as long as he's with me, he can talk to anyone he wishes. W2: But you're developing dangerous habits in him. My children never talk to strangers. W1: Not even when they're with you? W2: They're never with me, except at home after school. So you see why it's so important for them to understand that talking to strangers is a big no-no. W1: Yes, I do. But if they were with you, they could get to meet interesting people and still be safe. They'd get a taste of the real world, in real settings. They'd also get a real feel for how to tell when a situation is dangerous or suspicious. W2: They'll get that in the third and fifth grades in their health courses. W1: Well, I can tell you're a very caring mom. Let me give you my number -- if you ever want to talk, give me call. It was good to meet you."

On Oct 2, 2003

I wanted to ask one more question. Do any of you that homeschool have a specific schedule that you follow? I am afraid that I would have a hard time staying on task. Is that a problem for any of you?

On Oct 2, 2003

Hi Sport, There are many different approaches that people who homeschool use. Some use established curriculum and have set times to do each subject. Others use the unschooling approach, which is primarily child driven with very little time schedule. Many fall somewhere in between. We use a hybid approach, combining about half curriculum with about half child-directed learning experiences.

This is what we do. My children (4th and 2nd grades) each have a planner. In the morning, I write each of their agendas in their planners. We take into consideration what is planned for the day (activities and field trips). Using this method, we all know what is expected for the day, and what needs to be accomplished. The items that can be worked on independently can be worked on in any order, and the ones that we need to do together must be done at a time that we are all available. We don't have specific times for specific subjects. This helps them to learn time management. It also allows a child to learn when his/her body is conducive to that type of learning. If they are doing something educational, I try not to stop them (ie stop reading so that we can do math). We usually get most done, but if not it is usually because they were involved in some other learning, which is fine with me. What was missed just gets listed in the planner for the next day as a priority.

The best part is that homeschooling allows the flexibility for you to determine which way works best for you and your children.

Take care, Andrea

On Oct 2, 2003

Gosh, I'd homeschool in a second...if it weren't for the fact that both my husband AND my son don't want it [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/redface.gif[/img]

For my husband, it's the whole socialization thing (phooey I say). For my son, well, he doesn't want to be away from his friends (he's 6 and in Grade 1).

I, however, attend local homeschooling fairs, purchase materials, supplement as much as I can outside of school hours (no fun and no easy task), and hope...

If the child in question isn't interested, what's to be done? I also strongly feel that both parents have to be on the same wavelength about it.

On Oct 2, 2003

Yes, both parents have to agree to homeschool. The dad's support is very important. Arachide, since we're both from the same area, I pointed out to hubby the various articles in La Presse that attacks the school system. Have you seen the texts the teens have to read? Bestiality in Sec 4, bisexuality in Sec 1, drugs and the good feeling they provide in grade 5. We picked up a grade 1 book, and had a look at the content. We just didn't agree with it. Talks of bullying (yeah,those who do attend school need to know how to handle it, but we felt our son wasn't ready for it at all).

As for the kids, sometimes it is necessary for them to try hs before they like it. You are the parents, and with young kids, it's still *your* decision, not theirs. With older kids it gets trickier though. Ask your son if he'd like to do school wearing his pajamas. That often works.

On Oct 2, 2003

Sport,

following a schedule was my biggest fear. I am the worst procastinator that I know, and have no discipline. So yeah, that was scary. Turns out it's not half as bad. Since kids learn much faster than in school, it doesn't really matter if you skip a day or not. I try not to, especially at the beginning of the year, but don't stress over it.

We do the main work in the morning, French, Math. Anything else we do in the afternoon is extra.

One thing that helps is that my kids don't enjoy being left to their own device, so they always come to me for ideas. That pushes me to have stuff ready. It's much easier to find activities when you homeschool, than otherwise, because you just do activities that follow what you're learning.

I bought egyptian stencils ( mummy case, pharao, anhk, lotus) and the kids go crazy with that. A few sheets of paper, coloring pencils, and they're off for 45 minutes easily. Then I ask my eldest to write the names of what he's drawing. Voil

On Oct 3, 2003

Arachide, I agree - both parents need to buy in, but I think it might be easy if you start pointing out all of the negatives of school. As for the child buying in, at 6, I'd just do what's best for him and remember that at 6 he hasn't even close to the knowledge base or maturity to make this decision for himself.

On Oct 3, 2003

I should point out that DH is a high school teacher (I'm a teacher too --adult ed though).

DH keeps insisting that our son has to learn what "real life" is like. Needs to toughen up emotionally and shouldn't let the misbehaving kids upset him. DS has been coming home upset about how many kids cause trouble in his class (the principal is called in at least once a day --that's how bad it is). My son tells me his favourite time of day is recess. He thinks by homeschooling he wouldn't see his buddies from class. I've explained that he could see them on weekends and after school hours.

DH unfortunately isn't giving an inch on this, but I'm not letting the matter drop. Just not sure how to get DH to see that the classroom setting is NOT real life. Hmmm, maybe a frying pan? (hee-hee)

On Oct 3, 2003

Most high school teachers, and principals are dead set against homeschooling, at least here in Quebec, where homeschooling is a brand new thing.

I think it's because they feel threatened.

My neighbours also feel that kids have to toughen up. I feel there's always time later for that, but a lost love of learning cannot come back. It really depends on your philosophy of life. My dad refused that I worked in the summer as a teen. His point of view was that I would be working all my life, so I might as well enjoy my free time. Others see it as a learning experience. In all cases, it didn't stop me from getting a good job when it mattered, and having a good work ethic. And on top of that, I had good experiences which I gained by travelling to Europe every single summer.

On Oct 3, 2003

Addressing the classroom = real life thing

1. In what circumstances in adult life do you have to deal with people *only* in your age bracket?

2. In what circumstances in adult life do you have to ask for permission before going to the bathroom?

3. Can a child in recess *walk away* from a dangerous situation? From bullying? Can a child *really* avoid other kids he doesn't get along with? Adults always have a choice, kids do not.

Lately a woman contacted the association. Her child received death threats, and has been bullied for years. What was the school reaction, when the mother mentionned homeschooling? The school said they would send in child services and take the kid away from her mom. WOW. Now the mom is the "bad guy" from wanting to protect her child from a bad environment?

Disclaimer here: not all schools are that bad. Some are, most aren't. But my point is that a child is NOT in a real life environment. It's totally controlled for him/her and there is no choice.

On Oct 3, 2003

Is there anyone out there that homeschools whose husband is supportive but not involved in the schooling?

Is this possible to achieve?

Thanks, Lora

On Oct 3, 2003

Mu husband is supportive but not really involved in the schooling itself.

On Oct 4, 2003

My husband is also supportive but not involved in the actual process. He asks them what they are working on, asks them to show him their work, and he reads to them.(similar to what he would do if they went to a traditional school)

It is really hard for a young child to make the decision to homeschool. My older son kept going back and forth, before we ultimately decided for him (for our family). Going to school was all that he knew up to that point, so homeschooling was a great leap into the unknown (like an adult changing careers, but at 7). What helped him was taking him to homeschool events during the year before he actually started to homeschool. He got to see that there was a whole other world out there. Now, if he is asked if he would return to the regular school he replies, "NO WAY!".

Arachide, there is a book about homeschooling written by a father, who is a teacher, and his family that homeschools. It is called, "Family Matters:Why Homeschooling Makes Sense" by David Guterson.

Take care, Andrea

On Oct 4, 2003

I Never considered homeschooling even after finding out about his PA. As far as learning bad stuff at school I felt that if a child is raised right at home there would be no problems at school. My children know what to act like at school and at 17 chris has never given me a problem. He has never done drugs or been rude to anyone. A child will act bad if the parents are not doing there part at home. I hate to see people say that going to school is bad because my DD has had such wonderful times and grades there. She has almost a 100% average. I put her into dance,soccer,basketball,trombone,chorus. So she has had plenty of positive social experiences. Chris has always been more of a shy kid,but does get involved in school. My littel guy is 5 and already learning so much. I don't think we should say one is better than the other because we only know what is better for our children not someone elses. I myself just want my children to know me as MOM. However my kids to this day tell me they are glad I didn't homeschool. We have friends that homeschool and their DD is no different than ours. As far as the allergy we have had excellent luck with our teachers. We also have great communication with the teachers and are welcomed to sit in if we feel the urge.

On Oct 4, 2003

Claire, I don't know if you live in the US or elsewhere? Of course there are examples of good public schools, and of course homeschooling is not right for everyone. Where we live the public schools have a great reputation. They always score 26 out of 26 for passing the required testing. A huge % go on to college (over 90).

[This message has been edited by StaceyK (edited November 06, 2003).]

On Oct 6, 2003

Darthcleo, Just wanted to let you know Ive been reading all your posts and dropping bits of info here and there to my dh. Well I asked him something last night about school and he said " The more I think about it, maybe your right and you should just homeschool both boys!"

Good job, we're getting there!

On Oct 6, 2003

LOL! As long as you're getting where you want to go, it's a good thing! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

I had three more school horror stories over the weekend. Gee, I don't even have to look for them!

My niece (on my husband's side) is the same age as my son. She is starting K this year. My BIL lives out in the boodocks, but hey, there's a public school bus there. So this summer they were told the bus schedule. The 5 yo had to be ON the schoolbus at 6h45 AM, and she'd be back home at 5h45PM. That's almost 3 hours per day of bussing! So BIL had to buy a second car.

Now this little girl is in the same class as the son of a known Hell's Angels. Let's say the little boy has a tendency towards violence. The school principal sent the boy back home one day because he was too disruptive. Well, wouldn't you know it, he got a "visit" that same evening, with death threats. So now that little boy has the run of the class.

My BIL has asked for a school transfer, which got accepted ONLY because he has a daughter. He was told quite frankly that boys won't be transferred out. Boys have to learn to deal with violence. HUH?

I know this case here is extreme. Not all cities have to deal with the Hells. But what's this attitude about protecting girls and not boys?

On Oct 9, 2003

OMG...Hell's Angels inserting themselves in classroom discipline. OUCH. OK, my child would be out of there right away. Of course, I am SUDDENLY VERY CONSERVATIVE - wow did I get conservative - when I had children. I have been watching with alarm the scary, scary new depths that schools are sinking to. It worries me overall because I can raise my children in a private school or at home, but if there are more and more damaged children being turned out by these public schools, what does that mean for the future of our society? I know that sounds doomsdayish of me, but really - the kids aren't all right. Well, some are, but more and more AREN'T.

On Oct 9, 2003

I still say most kids that get out of the school system aren't "damaged". I believe their full potential has not been developped, but they are still good members of society. The Hell's episode I just described is an extreme! It just happened to be told to me this last weekend, along with two other similar (but less dramatic) horror stories.

Still, most kids are well served by the school system, even if they would be better off by homeschooling.

Homeschooling, by a caring parent (or parents), develops all aspects of a child's personality. Not just academic, but religious, social, moral aspects too, in a way that school cannot achieve.

All studies (and I believe I gave a link to one such study in a previous post) point to very well balanced kids in general.

Again, some homeschooled families should NOT be homeschooling, and they can turn out bad kids too. Imagine if a Hell's was homeschooling??? Hurgh..

On Oct 9, 2003

Just an update on my niece.... she was to transfer to another school (45minutes away), but instead has been pulled out of K due to a lice infection. That was the last straw for my BIL..

I smell another homeschooling family in the making, and they don't even know that we homeschool!

On Oct 10, 2003

See , I warned you about the LICE!!!

On Oct 10, 2003

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Originally posted by momma2boys: [b]See , I warned you about the LICE!!![/b]

so. what is in lice "preparations" anyway?

On Oct 10, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by momma2boys: [b]See , I warned you about the LICE!!![/b]

Should have warned THEM, not me! ;-) Although it's still possible to catch lice, since my son is NOT isolated, the risk is lowered.

On Oct 10, 2003

Regarding my damaged comment: maybe damaged is an extreme word. I work in a place with many computer professionals. I don't know what % went to what kind of schools, but I do know that most are college-educated. They are on automatic pilot, like a lot of people I see EVERYWHERE in my age bracket (30s). You look in their eyes, and the lightbulb just isn't on, folks. Automatic pilot. I believe sitting in dumbed-down herded-out classes did that to them. Though - I haven't conducted any scientific studies. Maybe it was tv, or too much gaming. Of course, at least there is automatic pilot HARMONY with each other. I go to the local Mensa meeting and all IT is is bickering and backbiting. A lot of independent thought, though. Like herding cats! So...who is to say which is better?

[This message has been edited by StaceyK (edited November 06, 2003).]

On Oct 10, 2003

My husband informs me often that if I spent much less time thinking ("micromanaging" is his word of choice)and more time doing I'd change the world. Or at least get the dishes out of the sink. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img] Guilty as charged.

He is all about "doing". Constantly in quiet motion. he!!, I think we make a great team. I tease him occasionally with regard to "Master Blaster". Even he laughs. (wow.) But don't be fooled, he's one sharp cookie. Afterall, he managed to bag me. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]

On Oct 10, 2003

On headlice. Pretty sure our niece got it off the seat in the movies one year. There was no outbreak at the school, but there had been a trip to the movies. Hair down to her waist infested with nits! Eeeewww! Took S-I-L at least 3 hours of grooming to get them out.

I was notified because I had shared my brush that weekend visiting with all the kids(trimming their hair). Very lucky not to have had any trouble. And weeks into preschool last year a notice came home. I was surprised. Never realized how bad it is! becca

On Oct 10, 2003

On lice > it can be picked up anywhere at all. Heck, I got crotch lice in my 20's and I wasn't sexually active at this time in my life, and I still don't know where I picked it up! It was pretty gross though... Lice where???? Who knows where it came from...

On private school > depending on your area of the world, private schooling may be an answer. In *my* area of the world, after investigating and talking to a few teachers (my bro teaches in one of the top ranked private schools), there's so much drugs in those schools it's scary. Privat schools = rich kids = kids looking for a thrill. Not an equation we like here...

On Oct 12, 2003

We are in our 6th yr. of h.s.ing (5th, 2nd, and 5K)..plus have a toddler.

I starting h.s. due to my oldest p.a. She is off the chart allergic (airborne, casual-contact) and I did not feel the schools were going to keep her safe. I have painstakingly reevaluated our academic options each year and have returned to h.s.ing each year.

I have no idea what next year will bring. All my dc love h.s.ing but it is a lot for me to juggle. I can only say that when I am tempted to put them in school (even the ones with food allergies) something always seems to happen to lead me to conclude we are doing the right thing.

One has only to turn the TV on to see the "real world" that is portrayed to our children to want to imitate. I do not consider Brittany Spears or other hip hop artists as role models for my dc. The "real world" that many children grow up trying to imitate is a culture created by Hollywood that is filled with negative influences that our society used to be repulsed by..but now not only accept but embrace as normal. This culture now permeates our schools. One only has to pick up a newspaper to read about the violence, drugs, low test scores, etc., that is occuring in schools. There are some good schools out there with dedicated teachers. I evaluate each school on its own merit when trying to decide if my dc should attend. But I am very much aware of this trend in our culture among young children and that it is not the "real world" they will live as adults. If you dress as Brittany Spears on a job interview, you likely are going to stay unemployed. I encourage all parents to evaluate all their options. H.s.ing isn't for everyone..nor is institutionalized learning. As parents our job is to lead our children down the right path. "What is all the wisdom in the world worth...If I do not learn to become holy..St. John Bosco.)

On Oct 13, 2003

If anyone needs to read scientific studies about homeschooling, [url="http://homeschool.3dproductions.com.au/homeschool/eqreview/research/index.html"]this link[/url] has a bunch of studies.

[b] It is worthwhile to note that there was NOT A SINGLE STUDY which showed homeschooling to be inferior to public or private education on any of the scales that were measured [/b] The above quote is taken from that link.

On Oct 21, 2003

raising

On Oct 23, 2003

Here is a research study of young adults that were homeschooled. The future of homeschoolers looks pretty bright. Take care, Andrea

[url="http://www.washtimes.com/culture/20031022-092314-2522r.htm"]http://www.washtimes.com/culture/20031022-092314-2522r.htm[/url]

On Oct 23, 2003

Tell me what you think........

Someone mentioned to me about homeschooling bc DS has so many allergies and asthma? I have thought about it but am not sure I am cut out for it...lol My sister homeschools and loves it.

Please let me know what your feelings are on this.

Thanks [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Oct 23, 2003

Allergymom > are you talking to anyone in particular?

As for me, no one (including myself) would have said I was cut out for homeschooling. Heck, I hate being around kids, although I enjoy my own kids. (the miracle of hormones [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] ) I leave restaurants if the adult/kid ratio is not to my liking. I'm this bad around kids. Yet, I totally love homeschooling!

The first thing you have to know is that there are as many approaches to homeschooling as there are families who homeschool. I tried an approach ( based on unschooling) and it just wasn't *us* .. So we switch to classical education. it fits *us* perfectly. Yet it won't fit other families. You are bound to find an approach that will fit you.

On Oct 24, 2003

Sport,

We homeschool primarily due to the peanut allergy. After battling the foot-dragging, eye-rolling and lack of concern by the the school -- and after one emergency hospitalization during Kindergarten -- I was emotionally exhaused and figured it wasn't worth risking our daughter's life to try and work things out with the school. There were other issues too -- she's ahead in her studies -- but I wouldn't have pulled her just for that.

It has worked out very, very well. She's working well above grade level. There is a wealth of information and lesson plans available on any topic under the sun, and if you're really shaky on academics, one can purchase complete boxed curriculums either by subject or for all subjects. So far I haven't reached any big hurdles and have enjoyed learning along side my daughter, as well.

As for socialization - HAHAHAHAHA (wiping eyes) If she gets any more socialization, I'm going to fall over dead. Brownies, dance, homeschool group outings, homeschool group science class, chess club, etc. -- she's definitely better socialized homeschooled than when she was at public school.

We were pushed into homeschooling -- the school made it very plain they were going to do anything they could to make us pull her after they put her in the hospital -- but for our family it has worked out superbly.

Kay

On Oct 24, 2003

Does anyone else homeschool with multiple very young children? Can it be done? I have a kindergartener, 3.5 yo, 18 mo, and a 1 week old.

On Oct 24, 2003

I know people who do it, yes.

I myself have a 6 yo, and a 3 yo. But that's it. There are people near me who homeschooled all their NINE children. None went to school before university.

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