Has Anyone Else Been Told/Heard That Each Epi-pen Shot Can Lessen Lifespan?

Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2002 - 2:24am
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pThis morning, I was approached by a woman at Jesse's school whose three year old son, who has always eaten pb without incident until this week-end, spent the week-end covered in hives and finally going to the hospital on the week-end. The doctor there told the Mother that he is probably allergic to pb./p
pAt any rate, he also told her that if he was PA, he would have to have an Epi-pen, BUT that each shot of the Epi-pen takes years off your life. /p
pHas anyone else ever heard this or been told this?/p
pI just thought it was quite bizarre because here's a new Mom whose possibly dealing with PA, which can be frightening in the early stages, and the doctor tells her that using the Epi could take years off her son's life!br /
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pI told her that the thing was, if he did need the Epi-pen (if he was having an anaphylactic reaction), if she didn't use it he would probably die. I couldn't think of any other way to offset what she had been told by the doctor./p
pIs what was said to her true? I don't think it is, but still...../p
pBest wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]/p
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2002 - 3:01am
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At my Allergist last week he said to always use the Epi-pen even if you have doubts since the Epi-pen cannot cause any harm. I am sure that if it did shorten the lifespan he wouldn't have called it harmless. Also, you are right even if it did it would shorten the childs lifespan alot more if she didn't use it!!!

Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2002 - 3:16am
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robinlp, welcome! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] You've just posted what had always been my understanding (when I finally got there) that even if you weren't sure if your child was having an anaphylactic reaction and did administer the Epi-pen, it wouldn't do any harm.
And, to me, as to you, harmless and lessening your lifespan each time you need a shot are two different things, aren't they?
I understand that doctors in emerg have probably not done extensive study on allergies and even more so on food allergies, but when this type of what I consider mis-information is given out, it really enangers me. It frightens people unneedlessly. I could tell by the look on the woman's face this morning that she was really hesitant, even if she is told that her son is PA, to get an Epi-pen because of what this doctor had said. I wish that when they didn't know about something, they would either give a referral to an allergy association that does have the information, a website that does (like this one) or just keep their mouths shut! Seriously! They can do so much more harm than good.
I've been fairly fortunate in that anything I learned re PA I didn't learn from doctors. Any time I have questioned one of Jesse's doctors re PA, I never got the answer to the question I was looking for. I have found that frustrating, but at least I wasn't given false or scary information. I have also NOT been given information (i.e., give the Epi-pen and it only buys you time to get to the hospital, which almost cost us Jesse's life), but we learned ourselves again.
Thank-you for posting this information. It really reiterated for me what I already believed I had heard/knew but just couldn't recall the exact wording.
Many thanks and best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2002 - 3:33am
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I did a quick look on the web & found this website : [url="http://intl-lts.aasldjournals.org/SIMON/SaundersNDH/epinephrine.html"]http://intl-lts.aasldjournals.org/SIMON/SaundersNDH/epinephrine.html[/url]
It says:
LIFESPAN CONSIDERATIONS:
Pregnancy/Lactation: Crosses placenta; distributed in breast milk. Pregnancy Category C. Children/Elderly: No age related precautions noted.
Lea (mom to Jamie 26mo. Allergic to P,N & Egg)
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2002 - 3:47am
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Well, as we know - doctors, even allergists who are not food allergy experts, *can* be misinformed. My ER doc told me Cayley wasn't suffering from anaphylaxis - during an anaphylactic episode - because her lips weren't swollen. Never mind the hives, vomiting and drowsiness, I guess....
I look at it this way...
If you *don't* use the EpiPen during anaphylaxis, it'll *surely* take more than just a few years off your life. Could take the *rest* of the years off your life, if you know what I mean. EpiPens *save* lives. I'd try to find out who told her this. Write to the hospital if you have to - you need to prevent this doc from scaring more parents needlessly.
Carolyn

Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2002 - 4:56am
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First, I am not a doctor, nor do I have any medical training... This being said, I was under the impression that epipen contains adrenaline.
Adrenaline is a natural component, but it does put some stress on your heart. I had a shot once of pure adrenaline, (hey, I'm an anaphylactic parent of a PA kid..) and I do remember my heart beating very very fast. And there is a relation between adrenaline and years span. Don't we say "you must have taken 3 years off my life" when someone scares us real good?
That being said, you're much better off *giving* the shot than withholding it.

Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2002 - 11:40am
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darthcleo, as far as I know, the Epi-pen is a shot of adrenaline. That's why, since I've learned what an Epi was, I notice when they're using the word on E.R. or other medical shows and not for anaphylaxis. Also, in the movie Pulp Fiction, when the girl overdosed, it was a shot of pure adrenaline that John Travolta pumped into her heart. So, I'm fairly sure that an Epi = adrenaline.
However, does that really mean that having a shot of adrenaline, despite what does happen to your body when you receive one lessens your lifespan? Using your example of three years, does that mean that Jesse has lost nine years off his life (now, he would have lost his life entirely without them, but still)?
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2002 - 12:35pm
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Personally, I think eating fast food several times a week would shorten your life span more than using an epi-pen.
I think I would have reported him to the hospital administration for giving out such faulty ridiculous information.

Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2002 - 1:52pm
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cathlina and Cayley's Mom, you're both right!
I'm going to try to find out from the Mom tomorrow if she remembers the name of the doctor who saw her son on Sunday. I am extremely angry that he would tell a parent something like this. She asked me if I had one and I said that yes, I had one in my purse (which I indicated to), that my DH has one in his knapsack and that Jesse has one on him at all times at school. What the doctor told her yesterday very obviously scared the bejesus out of this woman when she may be dealing with what can be, at first, a scary situation and I'm not too pleased about that.
I will follow-up definitely.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Mon, 06/17/2002 - 9:48pm
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I am not a doctor, but I find it very hard to believe that any study could pinpoint to epi as shortening lifespan. There are just too many variables (i.e. since this group has elevated Ige level, they could blame it on the Ige, or the stress level of living with allergies, or any other variable, IF this is even a fact, which I do not think it is!). I agree with all who said that the epi will save the life of a person experiencing anaphylaxis. I also agree that a diet consisting of a lot of processed foods contributes to disease, so we are already much better off making so much of our foods from scratch.
Andrea

Posted on: Tue, 06/18/2002 - 12:26am
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ACBaay,
Exactly! If our PA kids continue healthy eating like they do now, that will indeed give them a few or more extra years of life.
Plus, it's all genetics when it comes to lifespan and how much broccoli you eat of course [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
P.S....what a stupid thing for a Doctor to say I would have looked at him or her and said so!

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