Grant Programs and the obligation to accommodate disabilities

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is the obligation to accommodate diabilites/comply with Federal Laws within the context of a "Grant" program ie: "At Risk" preschool, the same as say within an "Early Education" or "Kindergarten"

US Specific.

I mean, it has been implied to me that the obligation does not exist in a "Grant" program. I don't know if this is true or not.

On Oct 15, 2004

When I taught at an inner city magnent school, we applied for many grants, and part of the questions we had to answer were how we were accomodating children with diabilities and special needs and I know we were able to gain more grant money because our school also housed an awsome special eduation program that benifited from many of our grants for fine arts. (I only know from the fine arts stand point - sorry)

I would think that these grants for preschool, would also work the same way.

sorry I couldn't be of more help

------------------ Michelle mom to: Alex - 5 - peanut, tree nut, asthma, many environmental allergies Isaac- 1.5 - many environmental allergies

On Oct 15, 2004

My understanding is any program that receives federal funds must comply. I am assuming these are federal grants?

On Oct 15, 2004

jami

your post is helpful thank you. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I didn't know of such questionaires.

momma2boys,

honestly? I don't know. I do remember, however, that it was questionable if the program would be available. It was only days before the program would begin they actually knew. They were waiting on "budget" allocations. Whether it was state or federal I don't know. I should, but I don't.

I've been conditioned to dread asking such questions of the school system. Still, I'm going to ask. I'll let you know their response. Either way, I would find it strange that if a program was "available" it would only be accessible to those without disabilities.......

I'm supposed to get yet another phone call today (I've had several phone conversations since my last post, a couple today even.)

Nothing has been achieved yet. It's always "I will check with so and so". Last word was another suggestion to keep him home on "party days". I also recieved an email from my oldest cubs school. Some names have suddenly popped into the picture. In a matter of days, Persons *working* on this for my youngest cub are suddenly mentioned by name for the first time regarding my oldest cub. Different districts. Different schools................

As part of a few meager requests regarding the situation I've offered to be there during parties. I am getting the feeling this is not an option.....or at least they don't want it to be.

My biggest sin here? Waiting for this to happen. No excuses, but my efforts have been consumed by my older cub's school and his needs. I'm going to have to hold tight, pick up pieces and keep moving forward. My sincerest apologies to my young son. I relied too much on "good will" and promises.

In the meantime, I'm scouring special education websites and case law.

On Oct 15, 2004

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just linking so my previous post makes sense. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Oct 15, 2004

Section 504

Section 504 states that "no qualified individual with a disability in the United States shall be excluded from, denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under" any program or activity that either receives Federal financial assistance or is conducted by any Executive agency or the United States Postal Service.

Each Federal agency has its own set of section 504 regulations that apply to its own programs. Agencies that provide Federal financial assistance also have section 504 regulations covering entities that receive Federal aid. Requirements common to these regulations include reasonable accommodation for employees with disabilities; program accessibility; effective communication with people who have hearing or vision disabilities; and accessible new construction and alterations. Each agency is responsible for enforcing its own regulations. Section 504 may also be enforced through private lawsuits. It is not necessary to file a complaint with a Federal agency or to receive a "right-to-sue" letter before going to court.

For information on how to file 504 complaints with the appropriate agency, contact:

U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Disability Rights Section - NYAV Washington, D.C. 20530

[url="http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/adahom1.htm"]www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/adahom1.htm[/url]

(800) 514-0301 (voice) (800) 514-0383 (TTY)

-If you don't mind answering, is this a named program such as Head Start or a similar program? The reason I ask is my husband works for a C.A.P. org. that handles Head Start, Early Start, etc. and may know what types of grants they receive.

As far as parties, in my kids school they always encourage parents to volunteer or just come observe and visit the class at any time. Never have they discouraged an extra volunteer during a party. I would wonder why.

The second thing, that always pops in my head...If you find out they are required to accomodate your child, and pursue it, how will they react? Will they be resentful? Who will they take that out on? You, your child, both? I also have to ask, if I have to force you to keep my child safe, do I want my child there?

I know at one point I was told by the nurse that there was no way to force teachers to be trained in EpiPen use, so it would be on a volunteer basis only. My very first thought was "If they don't volunteer my child will never set foot in that building." If a group of adults don't feel a need to protect a child and desire the knowledge to save that childs life, they should look for another job.

On Oct 15, 2004

[url="http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/reg2.html"]http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/reg2.html[/url]

Does this mean state funding counts?

On Oct 15, 2004

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Originally posted by momma2boys: [b]The second thing, that always pops in my head...If you find out they are required to accomodate your child, and pursue it, how will they react? Will they be resentful? Who will they take that out on? You, your child, both? I also have to ask, if I have to force you to keep my child safe, do I want my child there?

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i know i know i know............

a delicate situation, i know. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

I am so trying to be cooperative, yet not sacrifice [i]what is right[/i].

Those words were pretty close to home. A format I definitely understand.

I asked about the funding. They were unsure. Something also about the program not being a *mandated* program. Not *required*, I guess was the point.

A rule about one parent volunteer in the classroom at any given time was also brought up. Last year, in Early Childhood, there were many parents on occassion. I asked if the *rule* could be ammended. Response was unsure.

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Originally posted by momma2boys: [b]Section 504 Section 504 states that "no qualified individual with a disability in the United States shall be excluded from, denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under" any program or activity that either receives Federal financial assistance or is conducted by any Executive agency or the United States Postal Service."[/b]

Do you ever get the feeling schools are reading from a different playbook?

On Oct 15, 2004

Momma2boys,

thank you for the link.....(reading)......

edit to add:

the program is called: "Pre-K At Risk". I just called and was told it was an "Early Start/Head Start" program, but each year they call it something else???

She said it was a grant through the State.

Last two years he was in "Early Childhood" and I am told technically that was "Special Education" and the teachers were "Special Education" teachers. For that program, he was placed through screening by the co-op.

I am told in the current "At Risk" program the teachers are not "Special Education" teachers. At least wrt the program my cub is in.

The teacher this year also spoke of an "Early Referral" prior to Full Day Kindergarten.......

I could be wrong. But that is what I was told.

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On Oct 15, 2004

I asked dh and he said the head start/early start programs get federal and state funding. I would then assume they have to follow the ADA. He has spoken to the head start director about my sons 504 and she was glad we had followed through on it. He is pretty sure she said they have done them before. He said he can ask her Monday.

Now, as far as the imcomplete diagnosis....at the time of my sons 504 meeting he had never had a reaction. He had a 4+ skin and class v rast, and that was sufficient for them. I mean, we found out when he was a year old, so we just never let him have it. Are you supposed to induce a reaction in him to prove your point? I believe he has since had two contact reactions, and after the first they stopped the sale of pb in the school.

I don't know what to tell you, but I strongly believe a document like the Mass. DOE should become a federal guideline for all schools. I get so sick of seeing all of us fight the same fight over and over. What a waste of time, effort, and heartache just so a child can go to school and come home safely. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

On Oct 16, 2004

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Originally posted by momma2boys: [b]I don't know what to tell you, but I strongly believe a document like the Mass. DOE should become a federal guideline for all schools. [/b]

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[b] I get so sick of seeing all of us fight the same fight over and over. What a waste of time, effort, and heartache just so a child can go to school and come home safely. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img][/b]

completely understand. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

Update. I am allowed to come to the birthday party monday in youngest cub's class. Nothing else definite. Not even sure if this is.

Update. I was made aware the director of my youngest cub's program is invited to attend my [i]oldest cub's IEP meeting[/i]. This person will also possibly observe my oldest cub in school. This person is staff for the district assigned to our address, but not the school my oldest actually attends. My youngest, attends the *At Risk* program ****in district**** (I think).

[i]go figure[/i]. I'm not the expert. Not sure if this is a *good* thing or not. Anyone?

On Oct 16, 2004

Wouldn't there be some sort of privacy- or confidentiality problem with your youngest cubs teacher- being in your oldest cubs meeting? As a teacher- I would never even be allowed ascess to the older cubs files - even to get an address. Unless you think it would be benificial to see what your oldest cub has to go through. I think I would question the motives..

On Oct 16, 2004

jami, where would I start if I wanted find out if this was against "confidentiality" policies? It is being inferred that since my oldest resides in *the district* this person is employed as director of the pre-school "At Risk" program (my oldest cub is in a specialized instruction -3rd grade- program at another school *near* the district, otherwise would go to the school in *the district*), that there is nothing out of the ordinary about this person attending. Does that make sense?

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On Oct 16, 2004

I just can't get the suspicion out of my head that this person is invited to *observe* in an attempt to communicate:

"Just in case you ever have to deal with these persons.........here's a head's up".

[i]Maybe I should take it as a compliment.[/i]

On Oct 16, 2004

I would go to the administration building and ask for a copy of their confidentiality policy.

I am confused...the preschool director is going to your 9 year olds IEP meeting for a school in another district??? Doesn't make sense to me? Sounds a little suspicious to me. Like they are trying to catch you at something?

My sons last 504 meeting, the secretary for special ed. came. She is the one who types up the 504's and they though it might be helpful for her to be there this time and take her own notes. She got there before the 504 coordinator and asked me several times if I minded her being there. The 504 coord. got there and also made completely sure I was comfortable with her being there.

One more thing I would ask for, In the envelope yesterday with the copy of his new 504, was a copy of my childs rights and the schools obligations under ADA/504.

Are you getting an uneasy feeling from all this? I am.

On Oct 16, 2004

Ok - I'm trying to understand what is going on- if I ask too many questions - please feel free to not answer or email me- I think it is in my profile.

Your oldest cub - goes to another school district because the school district you live in - does not meet their needs?

Or goes to the other school district because it is closer to where the parents work?

Or you are paying tuition to the othe distrit because you like the program better. - Just tying to think of all the possibilities.

This other district has its own school board and superindendt seperate from the district where you live and your youngest cub goes to an "at risk" preschool program in the area that you live.

As long as the last statement was true- the previous questions don't actually matter-I guess.

Some examples of what I'm thinking - are

My mother teaches in a Catholic school that covers 2 different school disricts. If a student needs Speech therepy or Occupational therepy - they may only get services from thier district that their address fals in. Even if the other disctict has "better services". If the parents prefer the other school discticts services- but the student does not quialify by testing for the better services- then the parents pay tuition to the other school district.

At the inner city school that I taught at - that had wonderful special needs services - we would have students from other discticts that needed these services- but their district could not address - or maybe it was eisier for the disctict to allow the transfer then to pay for the peronal. These parents did not pay tuition. However the district that the students resdided in - payed our disctict a cost per pupil.

Now - the home school area - would have an evaluator- tester - 504 personall - who would test the child to make sure that the child needed the services of the other school area. That person would frequently check with the other personal in the "away" disctict to make sure that the services would still be needed - or if the home school area could now provide the services needed.

So- trying to think in the positive - is the person who is attending your older cubs IEP meeting - from your home district - just checking to make sure that the right services are being met - in the "away" school area- for your older cub.

As a music teacher - I would be allowed to attend IEP meetings - or the portion of the meeting that applied to my class. I was not privilage to any of the other information. Unless the parent shared the information with me and felt that I needed to know that information. About half of the parents would share more information- because they felt all of their students teachers should have the information. But because of parent and student rights- I would still not be allowed to be in the rest of the meeting, or be allowed to read the whole file. When I wanted or needed to read a students file, I had to ask the counseler - who was in charge of student files and all IEP, and 504 for our school - and I had to read them with her- in her office. Of ourse most of the time I could ask the parents if I needed help - and most parents are willing to help in anyway when it comes to their child. (I think you fall in this catagory - I don't think that you are trying to make this hard on the teachers, or your cubs.)

Every school office should have a copy available to you of the parents, child's rights, privacy clauses, confidentiality clauses - whatever they call it in that school area.

If the reason the personal from your home area is attending the older cubs IEP in the "away" area - is to see how to "handle" the younger cub - I would think this is illegal. I'll try to contact some people and see if I can find the actual documents - But I haven't been teaching in the schools for 5 years.

I think I would refuse to allow persons who do not belong at an IEP to be able to attend. Unfurtuantly an IEP meeting can occur without a parent- it will just be noted that you refused to attend. This happens when teachers have called an IEP meeting for concerns they have about the student and the parents are pretty much MIA. Obviously not your case.

Sorry this was so long and I make so many typos.

------------------ Michelle mom to: Alex - 5 - peanut, tree nut, asthma, many environmental allergies Isaac- 1.5 - many environmental allergies

On Oct 16, 2004

I'm just checking in, and have about 5 minutes..... I'll come back later to answer questions tonight or tomorrow morning. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Oct 16, 2004

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Originally posted by momma2boys: [b]I would go to the administration building and ask for a copy of their confidentiality policy.[/b]

Amazing how many policies I've had to ask for recently.

[b]I am confused...the preschool director is going to your 9 year olds IEP meeting for a school in another district???[/b]

Odd isn't it? But that's the way I understand it. I could be wrong. I'm going to follow up Monday. Maybe send some emails off tonight.

[b]Doesn't make sense to me?[/b]

Yes, it is bewildering. Not really sure if it is dangerous, tho. Someone please tell me if it is. Hard to tell how my cub would feel about it.

[b]Sounds a little suspicious to me. Like they are trying to catch you at something?[/b]

There's nothing to catch us at. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] When you're [i]right[/i].... [i]You're right.[/i] As a matter of fact, we've been very upfront and honest with them. [i]Maybe too much so.[/i] I have a tendency to believe when you are honest with people they will return the favor. I could be wrong, but I hope. (I tend to wear my heart on my sleeve and the impersonalness is taking it's toll.) And we keep our promises. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] What's the expression? When dealing in such situations I often hear a little voice whispering to me:

~never let my mouth write checks my pocket can't cash.~

[b]One more thing I would ask for, In the envelope yesterday with the copy of his new 504, was a copy of my childs rights and the schools obligations under ADA/504.[/b]

hmmmmmmmm. don't remember recieving this, but we don't have a 504, my cubs food allergy and asthma are addressed under "Other Health Impairment" in his IEP. I'll ask. I do, however have innumerable copies (by now) of the "Explanation of Procedural Safeguards". Is this the same thing?

[b]Are you getting an uneasy feeling from all this? I am.[/b]

It's been there for as long as I've been dealing with schools. I think it started in childhood. It's just a matter of how high or low the volume is set. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

I've tried to keep my baggage out of my cubs affairs, but I can't help but notice that I packed quite a few things that have come in handy. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]

General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form.

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On Oct 17, 2004

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Originally posted by jami: [b]Ok - I'm trying to understand what is going on- if I ask too many questions - please feel free to not answer or email me- I think it is in my profile.[/b]

Is it alright if I keep the offer on file? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] (I'm so bogged down with both schools right now, and have to work a long shift one today, volunteer this week, dr. appts, school meetings, cub's birthday, etc.....)

[b]Your oldest cub - goes to another school district because the school district you live in - does not meet their needs? [/b]

Yes. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] (It's probably a "plus". Educational needs aside, there is also a full time school nurse, and the transportation is desireable both based on health and education needs.) The new notice mentioned "Review and/or develop your child's Individualized Education Program (IEP) and, determine the child's educational placement.". Why, I don't know. I would hate to think it meant..............[i]so I wont[/i]. I mean, it's [i]been[/i] determined. It's only a couple of months into the year, and nothing heard regarding this so to speak. He is adjusting well.

[b]Or goes to the other school district because it is closer to where the parents work?[/b]

Just curious, do you mean public schools accommodate school choise based on this alone?

[b]Or you are paying tuition to the othe distrit because you like the program better. - Just tying to think of all the possibilities.[/b]

How does this work?

[b]This other district has its own school board and superindendt seperate from the district where you live and your youngest cub goes to an "at risk" preschool program in the area that you live.[/b]

As I understand it, yes.

[b]As long as the last statement was true- the previous questions don't actually matter-I guess.[/b]

could you elaborate? Not sure if I am following (read further on, but still not sure). Do you mean, if I like another school, simply prefer, no "needs based", I can opt to "pay tuition" and choose that public school (while still paying taxes to *my district*) and have my child attend there? If so, and *special needs* were evident, how would that work?

[b]Now - the home school area - would have an evaluator- tester - 504 personall - who would test the child to make sure that the child needed the services of the other school area. That person would frequently check with the other personal in the "away" disctict to make sure that the services would still be needed - or if the home school area could now provide the services needed.

So- trying to think in the positive - is the person who is attending your older cubs IEP meeting - from your home district - just checking to make sure that the right services are being met - in the "away" school area- for your older cub.[/b]

Are you still thinking along these lines? I looked on the IEP invite notice: the person from the *home* district is listed as "District XXX Rep". First time anyone of this title has been listed on any notices. And we've had quite a few meetings.

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On Oct 17, 2004

You asked jami how it works to pay tuition to go to a school of choice...(I think thats what you were asking)

Here, you can send your child to any school district you want. However, if you don't live in the district they have a set tuition. Lots of people actually do it too.

On Oct 18, 2004

Sorry I haven't figured out the quoting thing yet.

Many people around our area- prefer another school disctict - and pay tuition, even though they pay taxes for their home disctrict. We actually had people who lived in the "burbs" paying tuition to the "city" area - of course many people go the opposite way also. It all depends on what the Parents want in their education for their child. I'm sure the administration building could provide you information on this topic. The last I heard - it was about the same amount of tuition- that the Catholic schools were charging for the first student - but there are no breaks for more siblings. I know some families save their Tax returns to pay the tuition to the "away" public school.

On Oct 18, 2004

I think the problem - to me - is that your younger cub could be judged- on the older cubs IEP.

It is one of those things that I think could happen- and I wouldn't agree with.

It is kinda like the Teacher lunch room talk. Professionaly the teachers should not mention names of students that they are looking for help with- that way the student's siblings do not have to "pay" for the crimes of the older sibling. We all know it happens - but it shoudn't. Which is way many teachers stay away from the teachers lunch room.

Not saying that your older cub is doing something wrong - just saying that each child should be looked at sepertly. Every child has their own needs and should be looked at individually.

Now if something is working really well for your older cub - that you want to try with your younger cub - I understand why you might want to involve the younger cubs instrutors. But it should be your suggestion- and your O.K. that sets that ball in motion. No child should be compared to another child- and no sibling should be compared to another sibling.

On Oct 18, 2004

Just another thought- usually IEP have to be reviewed once a grading period. - is this the case?

But I still don'tunderstand why the preschool director from one school district would need to be at a 3rd graders IEP in another school disctrict.

On Oct 24, 2004

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Originally posted by jami: [b]So- trying to think in the positive - is the person who is attending your older cubs IEP meeting - from your home district - just checking to make sure that the right services are being met - in the "away" school area- for your older cub.

As a music teacher - I would be allowed to attend IEP meetings - or the portion of the meeting that applied to my class. I was not privilage to any of the other information. Unless the parent shared the information with me and felt that I needed to know that information. About half of the parents would share more information- because they felt all of their students teachers should have the information. But because of parent and student rights- I would still not be allowed to be in the rest of the meeting, or be allowed to read the whole file. When I wanted or needed to read a students file, I had to ask the counseler - who was in charge of student files and all IEP, and 504 for our school - and I had to read them with her- in her office. Of ourse most of the time I could ask the parents if I needed help - and most parents are willing to help in anyway when it comes to their child. (I think you fall in this catagory - I don't think that you are trying to make this hard on the teachers, or your cubs.)

Every school office should have a copy available to you of the parents, child's rights, privacy clauses, confidentiality clauses - whatever they call it in that school area.

If the reason the personal from your home area is attending the older cubs IEP in the "away" area - is to see how to "handle" the younger cub - I would think this is illegal. [/b]

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Originally posted by momma2boys: [b]I am confused...the preschool director is going to your 9 year olds IEP meeting for a school in another district???[/b]

update. this person resigned last week. I found out last week when I attempted to follow up on some [i]follow up[/i] I was supposed to recieve.

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img]

This *was* a pleasant person to me. Still can't figure out why people making me promises (or at least proposing committments) don't have an idea they are resigning literally the next day or so. Haven't received a letter (proposal type thing) I was supposed to in the mail either.

So much for a reach a.............. oh, never mind. [i]sigh[/i]. Go Figure.

But, things just might work out. I'll update accordingly.

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