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Posted on: Tue, 08/29/2006 - 1:19am
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Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you should find out by any other way than straight from the parents.
There are some parents who don't want to be asked, but I think it's wonderful. Education makes all the difference, and I'd rather they find out from me - and get the truth. I appreciate it when someone asks. When someone is genuinely interested in learning about PA, NOT just trying to stir up trouble, that is.

Posted on: Tue, 08/29/2006 - 1:24am
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I think when it comes to the life your child, we are all guilty of being a little "overprotective." We ack like a Mamma bear protecting her cubs!

Posted on: Tue, 08/29/2006 - 1:39am
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Quote:Originally posted by BASP:
[b]...teacher have to supervise the kids washing their hands when they get to school...[/b]
Good! This is a widely recognized infection control method, and will well benefit all children at the school. Many schools are re-addressing this practice (nothing to do with allergies).
[b] Quote:...the school carnival has to be sure not to use the two hallways that house the classrooms of these two boys and the very popular cake walk/junk food walk at the carnival has to be a carrot/fruit walk.[/b]
What in the world are the carnivals doing *inside* the school, anyway? [i]Remembering working the ever-so-messy sand-art-table...the fishing booth...and the pumpkin painting station. Would not be volunteering to be on the clean-up committee.[/i]
What about outside? That's where we had carnivals when I was in school. Do they not have a gym, in case of rain?
And I think the staff has much more to do than plan a carnival. This is usually a "parent thing" at my DD's school.
[b] Quote:...Forget about the holiday parties because they're a joke. No eggs, no flour, no dairy or nuts allowed anywhere, ever. At what point is enough enough?...[/b]
Since when do they *need* cupcakes/doughnuts/ice cream at school?
We all have certain special "memories" of our time at school. Special teachers, art projects, playground activities...may just be me, but I don't remember class parties that well. Cupcake and juice, maybe a cookie. Oh well! Our DD is much more interested in the activity (usually a craft to keep).
Many of these "catered affairs" seem to be *much more* important to the Mom's than the kids.
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...As an aside, I do have a 4 year old that also has a peanut allergy and she knows what to eat, what not to eat and not to share food.
I look forward to hearing others thoughts.
[/b]
Have you read the threads about accidental exposures? Many parents never dream their kids would take something from another kid, or even an adult (other than a parent or teacher), but this has sadley been proven true more than once.
Most parents here only *dream* of a school like you are describing.
Hope your DD is one of the "lucky ones." But wouldn't you rather not take the chance? I mean with the *obvious* peanuts and such. Not saying some parents don't go overboard.
But at least you will have one less thing to worry about your DD when she starts school there.
If a school is that committed, the staff must really care about the kids. Nice!
Have a good day,
Daisy

Posted on: Tue, 08/29/2006 - 1:46am
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Daisy -
Well put:
"But at least you will have one less thing to worry about your DD when she starts school there.
If a school is that committed, the staff must really care about the kids. Nice!"

Posted on: Tue, 08/29/2006 - 2:04am
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Daisy: Did you actually READ what I wrote before you responded? First of all, we live in a northern climate so planning something outside in October doesn't work. Every school carnival I've ever gone to in this area has been inside. If we lived in California it might be different but we don't. The carnival takes up the entire school including the gym, cafeteria, library and hallways. Secondly, the staff doesn't plan the carnival, the parents do. I'm not sure where you got that either. There is an outside company that sponsers the entire event and the parents organize and run it. Lastly, the event is HARDLY catered. There isn't even any food available outside of the cake walk (and possibly cup cakes). If you're going to resond to a thread, make sure you respond to the actual question being asked and not make up items to respond to.

Posted on: Tue, 08/29/2006 - 2:24am
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In my opinion..remember, you asked [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]..
You have been given an incredible gift and you don't even know it.

Posted on: Tue, 08/29/2006 - 2:42am
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Quote:Originally posted by BASP:
[b] I look forward to hearing others thoughts.[/b]
Okay. . . then we'll try to share our thoughts with you.
Personally, I don't think this is completely about age alone. Yes, more responsibility should be handed to children as they mature and are developmentally capable, but there's more to it than that.
Quote:Originally posted by BASP:
[b] These kids are old enough to know what they can and cannot eat. [/b]
Did you read Emily's story? The link I posted for you? Emily's mother makes this important point: [i]"She knew what she could and couldn

Posted on: Tue, 08/29/2006 - 3:02am
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[quote]Originally posted by BASP:
[B]I understand what you're saying but the fact that there is currently a law in place to force the schools to act a certain way doesn't make it right.
Perhaps you should be working to eliminate the American Disabilities Act then because right or wrong, the schools are forced to comply with it. If it didn't exist, I would be forced to homeschool my 3 boys, right or wrong. Fortunately for me I am in a position where that is possible but others are not so lucky.
As for your desire to see these kids' records and make a judgement call for yourself.. Would you want the public seeing your child's records? Would you micromanage every decision the school makes or will you trust the school to make appropriate and legal decisions that protect their children?
My school district provides an incredible education while still going to every reasonable effort to protect its disabled students. It has not detracted from the education at all. It helps students to feel safer, and therefore focus on an education. Handwashing has reduced absences, allowing students and teachers to focus more on education. Less food in the classroom reduces the focus on food as reward, improves student health and allows students to focus on education.
Luvmyboys

Posted on: Tue, 08/29/2006 - 3:22am
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Quote:Originally posted by luvmyboys:
[b]Handwashing has reduced absences, allowing students and teachers to focus more on education. Less food in the classroom reduces the focus on food as reward, improves student health and allows students to focus on education.
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Excellent point.
BASP, is your concern really about majority children not getting an education because staff are distracted (my word choice) dealing with the .5% of children with food allergies? Seriously.
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Posted on: Tue, 08/29/2006 - 3:36am
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I get the sense that this is about a lot more than the safety measures for the two children in question. Why exactly does this seem so "over the top" to you?
To continue the cancer analogy that you have used, not everyone recieving treatment for cancer is so immunocompromised that they need extreme infection control measures. But I gladly comply for those who do. And it isn't for me to ask whether or not the need is "genuine." Good grief.
I think that is what is seeming rather abrasive about your posts. You seem to be somewhat bellicose toward the "moms" of these two children. What gives? Is this a personal thing?
If it is because you "know what peanut allergy is like," based on your own experience... with all due respect, you DO NOT walk in [i]my[/i] shoes, I assure you. You have no idea the nightmarish proportions that daily life assumes with a contact and aerosol sensitive PA child.
And I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but even if you live with PA, that doesn't mean you "get it" until you've held your child in your arms and begged for them to somehow be snatched back from the brink of death. If you haven't, I suggest that you avoid passing judgement on those who have.
I have to wonder why you are feeling put out that someone else's child has a PA that requires different accomodations than you would ask for your daughter. Are you also put out that some children require differentiated instruction due to learning disabilities? Clearly you could look at this as also "robbing" the other children of instructional time.
Why on earth does the ADA protections afforded PA children seem so wrong-headed to you?? Not all PA children qualify for 504 protections. It is decided [i]individually[/i].
By [i]persons knowledgeable about the child's condition[/i].... which I respectfully remind you that you are not. It does seem extraordinarily unlikely to me that any school administration would enforce such protective measures if they weren't deemed necessary by a committee that includes a medical advisor. You don't get a peanut-free building or even classroom just by "demanding" it be so, trust me.
So-- is your problem with the situation because;
a) you feel that disability law provides "special" treatment for those protected by it,
b) you don't believe for a minute that an allergy can rise to the standard of a "disability," (see d. as well)
c) you have a special axe to grind with one or both of these families,
or,
d) you refuse to acknowledge that anyone's situation might differ from your own?
Just things to think about. You seem very angry and I cannot understand why. Definitely some missing information in your posts. And I can't quite figure out what you are asking, but you clearly aren't happy with very many responses that don't agree implicitly with your opinion.
Edited to fix spelling.
[This message has been edited by Corvallis Mom (edited August 29, 2006).]

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