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Posted on: Fri, 10/06/2006 - 7:11am
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We also had to quit Girl Scouts due to all the unsafe field trips and peanutty snacks. It seems no matter how many times I talked to them, they just didn't get it. The leaders did not want to be bothered and I had a newborn and a 1 year old at the time and instead of fighting, we quit the troop. (This was a few years back) The last straw was the field trip to a chocolate factory (that made tons of nut candy) after I had spoken to them about dd's allergy MULTIPLE times!! I remember when they passed out the permission forms, one of the leaders even came up to me and said "This probably won't be a field trip for xxxx, but I hope she can make the next one!" With this smile on her face that made me so angry!! They were absolutely aware she could not go, just didn't care.

Posted on: Fri, 10/06/2006 - 7:12am
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The troop level is not the issue. I have been assigned in charge of snacks, and am consulted on all food(when the time comes). This is a council level issue. I do think our leaders inquired about nuts, so we would know, and must have tried to speak out on our behalf, because she soundes snippy when shw mentioned the nobody is being accomodating thing. I do think she was feeling snippy about the way it was said to her, and not feeling snippy about me. I simply called her to ask for a higher up phone number to get more info on the food, and she said it did have nuts. They did caution about i, for those with allergy concerns. I mean, easy enough to make a trail miz without nuts! They are just not even trying. I wouldn't rany about may contains, even, but just the flagrant handing out of nuts knowing it can kill some girls there. Not just mine.
Would they hand out toxic chemicals for them all to touch, or spray the area with pesticices before they all go there to play? I usually do not rant on about stuff, because we have just avoided such food-oriented groups. But, this just bugs me in light of the new patch and then this flagrant disregard.
BTW, the patch info is on the FAAN sight, and was mentioned here a week or two ago. That is how I know of it. becca

Posted on: Fri, 10/06/2006 - 10:06am
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Maybe remind them of the latest issue of their leader magazine: [url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum8/HTML/001847.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum8/HTML/001847.html[/url]

Posted on: Fri, 10/06/2006 - 12:10pm
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Thanks for that Gail!
Wow. I am so torn at wanting to make this my battle. On principle, especially given this badge they offer and now that in their recent leader publication! Geesh!
I have composed an email to my friend, but am hesitant to send it. It is not her issue. She, as a leader, even wanted to be snack free! Kids parents complained and they have a very long day. I provide all the snacks and have been offered reimbursement. I also take care that it is safe for all the allergies in the group. PN, TN, egg, milk/dairy.
This is a higher up issue, and I fear if I make a huge issue, I will bring it back onto my leaders, who are very sweet and caring about this whole thing.
Sigh...
I was just going to send all this(the leader magazine quote) as a friend to friend vent to my leader friend. But I am afraid she will take it wrong and be hurt or offended. You hate to have something come back around to a leader who *is* keeping with that publication statement.
I just think she would really lose sleep over it if she knew how steamed I was, and not take it how I intend. As just a friend to friend vent. She invited my dd, and has bent over backwards to let me feel safe.
I need to restate this is an event out of her planning and over her head. She is also new to leading.
becca

Posted on: Fri, 10/06/2006 - 12:14pm
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Interestingly, at this same meeting, Santa was banned from a fundraiser in the winter, but they will still serve deadly food at a major area event.
If I have to choose not to attend an event that could threaten my child's life, why can't folks who are not into Santa, just not go do the Santa thing?
How fair is that? Santa banned, but not nuts. becca

Posted on: Fri, 10/06/2006 - 12:18pm
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You know, I just had a thought -- yes, scary, but it happens every now and again.
What is the Girlscout policy with respect to accommodating other disabilities? I know this brings up quite a few of the 504 arguments, but would they just say too bad you can't attend to someone in a wheelchair, or that was blind?

Posted on: Fri, 10/06/2006 - 12:24pm
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Exactly! Grrrr. becca. Let's just say, we might stop after this year. Dd has plenty to do with soccer and piano, and can add watercolor in her new spare time. She loves that.
I just do not like supporting such establishments that are two-faced. One statement to the public, and weak in actual practice. becca

Posted on: Fri, 10/06/2006 - 12:56pm
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When I had my thread about the Girl Scouts not wanting to accomodate dd a few years ago, someone posted a link to a page on the Girl Scout website about disabilities. I went back and re-read my post right now, and this is what I quoted off the page on the Girl Scouts website:
"You as a leader need to adapt activities, meeting places, and field trips for girls with disabilities, involving parents and the other girls in the process as needed." It also says under "what is a disability" "Health impairments are physical conditions that alter a portion of a person`s life habits, but may not be readily observable to others, such as allergies, diabetes....." Then it defines inclusion "inclusion means that all girls plan and participate in all Girl Scout activities. Adaptions are made when needed so that everyone can take part."
However, that page that I quoted from a few years ago no longer exists. I tried to go back to it right now and it is no longer there. I think that says it all. It looks good to say that they accomodate disabilities, but what they really mean is "we accomodate disabilities unless it inconveniences us." The fact that the problem you are having is at the organizational level and not related to the leader is even worse.

Posted on: Fri, 10/06/2006 - 1:11pm
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Exactly again. I just do not think I want to support such an organization. What's so great about Girl Scouts anyway? I know folks rave about it, but why? I do not see it. I see the girls who come to my door to sell cookies, and the stuff I read here!
I am all for it, if it is fun for my dd, but already, after only one meeting, there is an activity that excludes her. I am not even telling her, since we have an event(the same day) that we can attend which sounds like more fun for the whole family, and is school related.
It is not an official trip for the troup, just an email that went out, offering to bring any who want to go, recognizing it conflict with the school event.
becca

Posted on: Fri, 10/06/2006 - 1:33pm
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Becca,
So sorry you are dealing with this. It is a great organization, but they have to be reminded about it's focus on inclusiveness. The schools have been getting on board the allergy issue slowly, but surely. I am afraid the outside interests(soccer, ballet, etc.) and activities such as Scouting will be the last to comply.
I have recently become an Asst Leader for DD's Jr. GS troop. I attended "new leader training," our trainer reminded us the focus should not be about which girl (or troop) earns the most badges. Instead, each girl should have a chance to participate and lead. [i]You know, the old quality vs quantity theory.[/i] In fact, most of our Junior training was about reminding us that the *girls*, not the leaders, should begin to lead the meetings and be in charge. And reminding us to guide the girls to be kind and thoughtful to each other.
As a Brownie, DD's troop only attended the Father/Daughter Dance and the yearly service unit gathering. Other than working at a food pantry as a service project, all of their other activities just involved their troop. Only now are they starting to participate in Council-level activities.
You should have a Service Unit Leader (a mom) over the troops in your area. Next is the Council level. These are the GS employees that work at the headquarters for the Council in your part of your state. They oversee all the service units for a certain area.
See the Council website for your area. Perhaps you can find a contact person to help you with this. You've overcome the first obstacle in that your troop leader is on-board.
Have you considered being an assistant leader? The training is very simple, just a couple of morning classes. I am helping out with the meetings, which I was doing anyway. [b]But in attending the Service Unit meetings, I'm much more plugged in to any planning while it's still in the early stages.[/b]
***To all those that don't know, my DD is NKA; it's me with the allergies.***
Best of luck,
Daisy

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