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Posted on: Fri, 10/13/2006 - 12:36pm
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In support of girlscouts... My dd is one and loves it. It has been great socially for her. Her leaders try very hard to accomodate her allergy. They asked about how to use the epipen and what to look for. Its the leaders that make the difference- don't knock the entire organization. Education is the key. We need to help educate others.

Posted on: Fri, 10/13/2006 - 10:36pm
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also in suport of girl scouts. my daughter just joined this past week. im going to be the second parent in the room. a co-leader of sorts,
before i signed krisin up and volentiered, i had to know if it was going to be peanut free because im going to have to bring my son sometimes...
she emmedatily said no problem.
so we will see..
i was a girl scout for 9 years, i missed my 10 year pin by one year. went to church camp that last year and discovered boys!!!
i was so happy when i found out they were starting a daisy troop i our school district.
however i do find it disturbing that the council is so unacomadating for a ltfa. and that the leaders of certin troops are acting in such a manor that will affect the health and safty of there members.
i would bring this to the attention of the council leaders in your aera and if that dosnt work go with someone over there heads.
because quite frankly i think its BULL DOOKIE that you or any one else has to take that kind of garbage. and that a cupple of bad seeds will spoil the whole girl scout experance for you and your daughter.
this turned out to be much longer than i expected.
just my 2 cents
erin

Posted on: Fri, 10/13/2006 - 11:02pm
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As far as today goes, my leaders were sympathetic, and it may be only their two girls even going. It was last minute, and there is a conflicting school event which sounds like a blast.
Two schools buddied up(ours and the other school is one I love) and have faculty-parent rock bands, and games and such. It is super fun for the kids to see the principle rockin' out in a band, LOL!
That is if we even make it as dh just came in on the red-eye after a week away, showered and is off to soccer! We may all just crash for the afternoon!
I am going to keep a log of these events, and I do have a buddy mom, whose dd is in the troop with PA, and very proactive on the allergy issues. So, together, perhaps we can do something if it is an ongoing issue at council level. becca

Posted on: Fri, 10/13/2006 - 11:42pm
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Quote:Originally posted by smudgesgarden:
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however i do find it disturbing that the council is so unacomadating for a ltfa. and that the leaders of certin troops are acting in such a manor that will affect the health and safty of there members.
i would bring this to the attention of the council leaders in your aera and if that dosnt work go with someone over there heads.
because quite frankly i think its BULL DOOKIE that you or any one else has to take that kind of garbage. and that a cupple of bad seeds will spoil the whole girl scout experance for you and your daughter.
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Here's the problem with the [i]chain of command[/i] (ie, what you are recommending: "go with someone over their heads"). In [i]volunteer[/i] organizations that depend heavily upon the gratuitous service of their membership, the chain of command often works in [i]the wrong direction[/i]. Too many people "in charge". [i]A conflict of interest[/i].
It's really difficult, if not near impossible, to enforce or bring to fruition, [i]a mission statement[/i] without everyone being "on board".
I've got to ask myself: Do I want to support an organization and invest myself in it with not only *my* time and energy [i]and hope[/i] but my [i]child's[/i] as well?" This is where, in my parenting crossroads, [i]anticipatory guidance[/i] comes in handy. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img] Good judgement, I mean.
My plate is already full wading through the "volunteer" organizations coagulated by "involved" parents enmasse throughout my children's schools. Unpoliced and rampant throughout my children's schools weaving their tentacles "up the chain of command" under the guise of "fundraising". [i](urge to vomit)[/i]
Honestly? It's to the point my school smirks at my requests to enforce a [b]Federally Promulgated[/b] Law meant to protect my child. It's almost as if I need a lawyer and a Due Process hearing to get [i]the simplest[/i] of accommodations delivered. Some good all that fundraising is going to do them if [i]lawyers[/i] are involved...
But honestly? I don't think the fundraising is the payoff. For the school or the parents.
In our district, I'll be willing to guess most, if not all families could just afford to donate a small amount each year to the district without all the exchange of material goods and [i]time[/i].Material goods mostly being [i]food[/i]. Junk food. Probably less money delivered that way would go alot further than requiring I spend "x" amount of dollars (usually an overinflated amount) on an item I don't need and surely my school doesn't need. You know, no "middle man", less money leaving my pocket, but more for the school.
The school administration, I think, just doesn't have the wherewithal (in addition to the high turnover rate of staff) to deal with the social networks such "volunteer" organizations choke....I mean, [i]embrace[/i] the school with.
Lately, I'm having trouble remembering if my child is leaving for a [i]carnival[/i] each day, or school. Considering the amount of [i]non-essential[/i] food items present on school grounds each day.
I'm waiting for the cotton candy spinner replace the front desk soon....

Posted on: Sat, 10/14/2006 - 2:47am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
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But honestly? I don't think the fundraising is the payoff. For the school or the parents.
In our district, I'll be willing to guess most, if not all families could just afford to donate a small amount each year to the district without all the exchange of material goods and [i]time[/i].Material goods mostly being [i]food[/i]. Junk food. Probably less money delivered that way would go alot further than requiring I spend "x" amount of dollars (usually an overinflated amount) on an item I don't need and surely my school doesn't need. You know, no "middle man", less money leaving my pocket, but more for the school.
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The high school my son went to did a "pass the hat" at "Back to School" night instead of any other fundraising and it was widely embraced! I was so excited when my daughter's elementary school announced they were going to do this but I guess it wasn't as successful in part (IMHO) because they didn't believe folks would kick in enough and already had other fundraising (running alongside the "pass the hat" night). So we're back to being saddled with other time consuming fund raising [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

Posted on: Sat, 10/14/2006 - 4:11am
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Quote:Originally posted by nancy023:
[b] I've seen nothing but understanding and kindness by parents and coaches of kids that age in our soccer club. They even suspended the use of a whistle for one under 6 team that had a child with an autism spectrum disorder who was bothered by the loud sound.
Now, the older kids' parents can be vicious. My eight year old had a run-in with some awful moms on travel soccer last year, but he somehow survived and has really improved this year.
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[b]Uniontown, PA[/b]:
[url="http://www.wral.com/sports/10068922/detail.html"]http://www.wral.com/sports/10068922/detail.html[/url]
[i]Disgusting.[/i]
edit to add disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. I do not guarantee the accuracy, currentness, content, or applicability of the link in this post. While individual mileage may vary, I remember [i]vividly[/i] the gym teacher just standing by while as the opening whistle blew during Dodge Ball and every ball hurled at me simultaneously. What an asinine game to organize as part of "Physical Education". Dorks.
[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited October 14, 2006).]

Posted on: Sat, 10/14/2006 - 2:36pm
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That story about the evil coach of the autistic boy has been big news, here. I don't think it's the norm, and will stick by my guns in saying that volunteering can usually help. I agree that dodge ball can be a frightening experience (flashbacks of manly girls hurling kickballs that have gone half flat are going through my head).

Posted on: Sat, 10/14/2006 - 10:04pm
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We don't do soccer, either. I think it's insane when parents scream at the kids who are 6 or 7. That doesn't happen much in my community, just a tad, but I've seen it go on in the teams that they play.
My daughter and son are in tennis, swimming, she is in ballet, they are both in martial arts, she is in Girl Scouts, and riding and violin start in the Spring for her (he is too young still for Boy Scouts, or music or riding.)
No one screams at the tennis players...LOL. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Also, it's indoors and doesn't involve long travel times and the tennis outfits are cute (LOL!) And there's this: they can play it their whole lives. I see the gamut at our club - 4 year olds to 80 year olds.
I will get them invovled in golf, too.

Posted on: Sat, 10/14/2006 - 11:45pm
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Those of you who have had a good experience with your GS troop making accommodations, do you also have a pretty good experience with your school making PA accommodations? Or similarly, those who have been involved in non-accommodating GS troops, was your experience the same at your school?
Since (volunteer) troop leaders are usually parents from the [i]school community[/i], I wonder if there's any relationship. . . .
Mariah was a GS for 3 years, but I was never a leader or any type of volunteer with the troop because I didn't feel the need. The parents were already very knowledgeable about LTFAs because the school (via [i]us[/i]) had begun educating the students and parents. The girls and troop leader were already trained/accommodating.
I'm currently a "co" troop leader for my younger non-PA daughter. She likes GS because she thinks it's [i]fun.[/i] IMO, 'scouting' is a very tiny aspect of our group. . . it's just a monthly 'activity club' where the girls do fun crafts or sports and get to collect cool looking badges. Very little to do with 'scouting' at all. Looking at our schedule this year: going to "Flicka" at the movie theater, ice skating, 'math fun' (badge), bowling, bike riding, 'Science in Action' (badge), 'careers' (badge), "friends are fun' (badge), the April Showers collection and cookie sales. IMO, none of this really has much at all to do with 'scouting' or 'camping'. Just a girl's club, IMO. <> Nothing one couldn't do without.

Posted on: Sun, 10/15/2006 - 11:42am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]
Honestly? It's to the point my school smirks at my requests to enforce a [b]Federally Promulgated[/b] Law meant to protect my child. [/b]
mb
why does this not suprise me!!! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
no tone intended!!
you dont strike me as the kind of person who will let someone walk all over you. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
girl scouts for me was such a positive experance and i realy want my daughter to have fun and make the kind of friends i had. now remember my daughter isnt pa....
i am worried about the time when they start selling cookies, and from what i understand they now sell nuts, but i will cross that bridge when i come to it.
when its time for my son to join cub scouts that might be a diffrent can of worms!!!!
i am going to call the "leader" of our local girl scout council on monday morning to find out about there policy with ltfa.
ill post her reply... hopefully its a good responce.
ps this post is kinda rambling ( i had a few beers, husband is away for the weekend and so are the kids!!) woo hoo
party at my house!
oh another thing, my sister brought up a question i want to post for responce...
sould i deny my non food allergy child from after school activites ie: girl scouts, just because my son is allergic to something??

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