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Posted on: Sun, 10/08/2006 - 6:00pm
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It's too bad that Girl Scouts are such a problem. My son has had such a positive experience with Cub Scouts. They asked that no one bring peanut products to the Pack meetings and they even gave him his own refrigerator space and let him use the microwave so my husband could make his food separately at overnight camp.
My husband was den leader (until this year), and think that did make a big difference in accomplishing the needed accommodations.

Posted on: Sun, 10/08/2006 - 10:21pm
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I feel terrible that Scouts is seen as such a negative. My son just earned his Eagle Scout and my daughter just earned her Bronze award and is now a Cadette. Both have been in since Tiger Cubs and Daisies.It has been a tremendous experience for both.They are BIG on volunteering and helping others always.They are both EXCELLENT public speakers. They are both VERY confident.I attribute this directly to their scout experiences.It is not just them -I see it in the others in their troops. Their scout friends have been solid friends.Those of you with middle school girls will appreciate how wonderful this is. There are several girls with food allergies in her troop but this was explained and embraced and dealt with.I help when I can (not a lot) with the girls troop, but now that they are older it is girl driven.I am going to see if they want me to help with the PAL Patch Program.It has been my experience that when it seems others are running the show their way, in reality if I get in there, they are really greatful for help and suggestions and for the break.I just want others to realize that many wonderful lifelong skills can be gained from Scouts.

Posted on: Sun, 10/08/2006 - 10:41pm
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Quote:Originally posted by gvmom:
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Posted on: Sun, 10/08/2006 - 11:00pm
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Mimom, yes, it seems you have found a good thing. As I have stated, it really seems to vary widely. Quite alot of inconsistency.
Again, my rant was because it was bluntly told to my leaders they would not be accomodating nut allergies at the function, yes there were nuts in the trail mix, and allergic girls "were welcome to pack their own food." Duh! Like we need a welcome mat to bring food that won't kill us. It is the fact that this is the snack for the entire event and will be all over the place. No thanks. No effort put forth and no desire to put forth any effort to try to come up with a safer snack or trail mix. None. Just an attitude.
Oh, then they banned Santa and decided against any Winter events because of all the mixed cultures in our community and someone being offended by anything they could think of. Cultural fair was nixed. They sound pretty rigid and inflexible to me. Here, anyway.
My dd gains loads of self confidence in Piano lessons, and recitals, doing watercolor classes, playing soccer, and various other group activites. I hear martial arts are wonderful too. Might give it a try one of these days, but she is so busy already. Its just good to be a kid sometimes too. becca

Posted on: Sun, 10/08/2006 - 11:03pm
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Quote:Originally posted by nancy023:
[b]
My husband was den leader (until this year), and think that did make a big difference in accomplishing the needed accommodations. [/b]
In kindergarten when we first moved in, they came around from the park district signing children up for [i]soccer[/i]. My first child, I thought, "Oh, alright."
My husband, visionary that he is, volunteered to be assistant coach in order to.........[i]run interference[/i] for our son. (Not too coordinated, slower physically, very unstreetwise, and um......we are all outcasts by nature. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img])
Anywhooo, my husband, who had never been in sports of any kind as a child or adult, never had been to *any* kind of sporting event, and who was very independent and [i]self reliant[/i] [b]volunteered[/b].
I sat there on the sidelines that year cringing as other parents heckled my son (who wasn't the worlds fastest runner) and other less athletically endowed five and six year olds that season. The offenders didn't take kindly to gentle reprimands from the assistant coach to [i]lay off[/i] the children. I always spent the remainder of the afternoon restoring my son's self esteem. It was a disaster.
I thought my husband coached with a level head, and with fairness to a [i]fault[/i]. Bless him, he called the last game off when it started to downpour on a frigid afternoon. Called it a draw.
You'd think he gave Texas back. The parents were rabid.
You know, we kinda new what we were in for, but we didn't want to force our children to live by our experiences. Pay for our sins.
That was our first mistake. Now, we just fill their days with things [i]they really want to do[/i], instead of things they [i]think[/i] they [i]should[/i] want to do. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
To call it rewarding would be an understatement.
And I can't think of even *one* activity my children are taken with that involves [i]competitiveness[/i].
Oh, and for anyone interested, the "band" thing seems to be working out.
I mean, I think it's rather statistically flawed to think *every* child should want to, or even will excell, at something like soccer or any other highly over-rated activity. [i]Let alone enjoy it.[/i]
OOO. time to reraise a thread.

Posted on: Sun, 10/08/2006 - 11:08pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Mimom:
[b]They are BIG on volunteering and helping others always.They are both EXCELLENT public speakers. They are both VERY confident.I attribute this directly to their scout experiences........[/b]
my children are too. except it's not from Scouts. it's just who they are. especially the "EXCELLENT public speakers" part. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
These things are not something limited to "Scouts". To some, it is a natural happenstance.
Quote:[b]....I just want others to realize that many wonderful lifelong skills can be gained from Scouts.[/b]
again, some just come equipped that way, and if not, I don't for one minute believe "Scouts" is the [i]only[/i] route to honing these skills. Or even a guarantee. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Maybe Scouts just attracts those who are already there...
[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited October 09, 2006).]

Posted on: Mon, 10/09/2006 - 12:55am
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KRC
I want my child to be her own person too...
but, in my child's private Catholic school, *every* little girl grades 4 and under belong to a troop. The father daughter dance held at the school that all of the little girls attend every fall is ONLY open to girl scouts. They all wear their vests on scout meeting day every month, etc. It is a huge deal at the school.
It is not coming from ME that it's outcast status not to be in GS, it's the way it's set up at our school. I am not big on conformity and there are other things to do, but scouting at our school is practically another class at school the way it is so indoctrinated into all of the social events.
I will never make a social point on my child's back. Never. I might have when I was younger but I've gotten more practical in my old age.
She wants to do this and all of the little girls do it. It's the main way those grades make friends at the school. It's basically overrated, but not harmful. If it was drinking and drugs we are talking about, that would be different. But this kind of conformity smoothes the way for my child - and I am ok with that.

Posted on: Mon, 10/09/2006 - 1:15am
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Whether or not it is harmful depends on the troop and the leaders. When dd was in Girl Scouts, they had Saint Patricks Day party in a BAR. Yes, you read that correctly, it was a bar, actually an Irish pub. And of course it had peanut bowls and residue everywhere, so dd was excluded, but come on, what are they doing having an event for 7 year old girls in a bar?
About the outcast thing, at our school, almost every girl in first grade was wearing a brownie uniform on Wednesdays. That was why I even made the effort to put dd in. Because of the uniform, it was very clear who was in and who wasn`t.
About the self confidence and speaking skills, again it depends on the troop and the leaders. All I saw was a bunch of out of control, poorly behaved girls, overpowering a few well behaved ones (mine was one of the well behaved ones). Dd got far more self confidence and speaking skills from her acting and modeling than she ever did from Girl Scouts. There are many ways to acquire those skills other than scouts.
[This message has been edited by Carefulmom (edited October 09, 2006).]

Posted on: Mon, 10/09/2006 - 1:50am
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Quote:Originally posted by Carefulmom:
[b]About the outcast thing, at our school, almost every girl in first grade was wearing a brownie uniform on Wednesdays. That was why I even made the effort to put dd in. Because of the uniform, it was very clear who was in and who wasn`t.
[/b]
our school district [i]outlaws[/i] identifying group "uniforms".
They consider it a [i]distraction[/i].
The dress code is strictly [i]enforced[/i]. For example: No wearing of any hats inside the building, including [i]hoodies[/i].
This is a [i]public school[/i]. Shorts can be no more than just above the knee. No mini skirts, no sleeveless shirts (we have air conditioning). They also reserve the right to send someone home for wearing anything they deem [i]age inappropriate[/i] clothing. Including stuff people obviously have [i]grown out of[/i].
I'm all for it. The girl next to my son in class doesn't need to wear [i]fishnets[/i], anymore than he needs to wear chaps and a cowboy hat. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
I'm bracing myself for an all out ban on camo soon......my youngest son has amassed an entire closet full of the stuff.

Posted on: Mon, 10/09/2006 - 9:15am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] In kindergarten when we first moved in, they came around from the park district signing children up for [i]soccer[/i]. My first child, I thought, "Oh, alright."
My husband, visionary that he is, volunteered to be assistant coach in order to.........[i]run interference[/i] for our son. (Not too coordinated, slower physically, very unstreetwise, and um......we are all outcasts by nature. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img])
Anywhooo, my husband, who had never been in sports of any kind as a child or adult, never had been to *any* kind of sporting event, and who was very independent and [i]self reliant[/i] [b]volunteered[/b].
I sat there on the sidelines that year cringing as other parents heckled my son (who wasn't the worlds fastest runner) and other less athletically endowed five and six year olds that season. The offenders didn't take kindly to gentle reprimands from the assistant coach to [i]lay off[/i] the children. I always spent the remainder of the afternoon restoring my son's self esteem. It was a disaster.
[/b]
I've seen nothing but understanding and kindness by parents and coaches of kids that age in our soccer club. They even suspended the use of a whistle for one under 6 team that had a child with an autism spectrum disorder who was bothered by the loud sound.
Now, the older kids' parents can be vicious. My eight year old had a run-in with some awful moms on travel soccer last year, but he somehow survived and has really improved this year.
I agree, the "popular" activities aren't for every kid. My mother in law has often lamented that one grandson didn't play any sports and his parents dressed him so nerdy. He's now an accomplished violist and just received notification that he is being recognized as a National Merit Scholar. I do think it helps with the peanut allergy issue to volunteer in most cases.

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