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Posted on: Fri, 04/02/2010 - 9:52am
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I read the same book and found it unconvincing. I recommend anyone interested in this topic read both pro and anti vaccine books and think about it yourself rather than listen to any of us.

Posted on: Fri, 04/02/2010 - 9:54am
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Even if peanut oil is in vaccines that wouldn't mean that the peanut oil *causes* peanut allergy. If anything it seems now according to the latest research that a delay in exposure to top allergens *increases* the chance of allergy to that food. I don't think it would have a thing to do with peanut allergies.

Posted on: Fri, 04/02/2010 - 10:29am
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Injecting food protein into animals or people causes food allergy. That has been known since 1839. There is a trace amount of peanut protein in even the most highly refined peanut oil. If there is peanut oil of any kind in a vaccine there is a trace amount of peanut protein that is getting injected into people. At the very least peanut oil should not be GRAS and it should be listed as an ingredient in vaccines. Doctors should know ALL of the ingredients in vaccines.

Posted on: Fri, 04/02/2010 - 10:31am
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That's your opinion but it isn't the opinion of *allergists* and food allergy medical researchers and it isn't something that has been proven by *research*.

Posted on: Fri, 04/02/2010 - 10:43am
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Hi lakeswimr,
Great questions. Thank you! I truly appreciate your discussion.
I believe that by injection a mammal can be sensitized to any protein. If a protein evades the modifying effects of the digestive system and enters the blood stream, an allergy to that protein can be created. Historically, the only mechanism implicated in mass allergy (serum sickness in children post-1895 or the cottonseed allergy in the 1940s, outbreak of gelatin allergy in kids mid 1990s or the mass allergy to antibiotics post-WW II) was injection. A person can become sensitized to any protein/toxin by ingestion, inhalation, through the skin or injection.
My argument centres on the epidemic proportions of peanut allergy. In my research, I found ER records (UK, US, AU), eyewitness reports of teachers and cohort studies that together support the idea that there was a moment of sudden acceleration around or just before 1990. As a society, we did not know that anything had happened until these 4 and 5 year olds showed up for kindergarten in the early 1990s. This period coincided with profound changes in the vaccination schedules in all WHO compliant western countries, at the same time with the same products including a novel conjugate and a 5 in one needle.
This seemed to be too great a coincidence given the few known mechanisms of sensitization, that hundreds of thousands of children (not adults) were suddenly allergic to the same thing. Whether it was refined peanut oil in the vaccine, a cross reactive protein (Hib b), or toxic overload rendering kids open to dietary proteins, I don't know. My strength is historical research. And my thesis is about the epidemic proportions of this allergy that has appeared only in specific countries (although now in Hong Kong, Singapore, south Africa). The allergy does not have a profile in India, Russia; it is limited in eastern Europe and Israel.
When you say that certainly is not the case that vaccines can cause food allergies -- I will suggest that online research will reveal that allergic sensitization is an inevitable outcome for certain children post-vaccination. This was known very early on: please look at Charles Richet's acceptance speech for the 1913 Nobel Prize for his work on anaphylaxis (and he coined the term). In this speech he states that anaphylaxis (which was rare before the invention of the hypodermic syringe) is one of three possible outcomes of vaccination.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1913/richet-lecture.html
Thanks again, I welcome your feedback on this.

Posted on: Fri, 04/02/2010 - 10:51am
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Hi lakeswimr!
Research has gone both ways on this idea of when to consume peanuts. The LEAP study in the UK (George Du Toit, et al) is trying to sort out this concern. In the meantime, UK and US health officials at first warned pregnant and nursing mothers in 1998 to avoid peanuts. They when, in one study, peanut allergy actually increased despite avoidance, the governments rescind this advice and doctors say perhaps it should be introduced as early as possible! This was based on the Israeli example where PA is low at .17% of kids. Meanwhile, sesame allergy is epidemic in Israeli children at about 2%, I think. Ironically, doctors there have suggested that sesame consumption be delayed in children. It's a real mess! hence the LEAP study, which wraps up in 2013, I think.
Please check out the "Peanut oil label debate" above -- refined oils in an adjuvanted vaccine increases dramatically the levels of IgE and the potential for allergy to any protein in that shot.
If you're interested, please also look at my time line http://www.peanutallergyepidemic.com/timeline.html

Posted on: Fri, 04/02/2010 - 11:07am
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If what you say is the case, why don't *allergists* and allergy researchers agree?
Certainly it is possible vaccines have a role in causing food allergies but it is far from the case that this is proven. It certainly isn't. You may consider it to be true.
My son's allergist thinks that it is possible that allergies are just one of the diseases that tends to get worse with each generation. There are some diseases that are more mild with future generations and some that get worse. He thinks this might be one that gets worse with each generation (*in general*) and that's why there are more cases. There are a lot of possible causes. GM foods, the proliferation of baby formula, the fact that we eat so much processed foods, exposure to chemicals, pollutants, that our homes are too clean, and much more.
I'm not saying vaccines can't have anything to do with food allergies but that they can't be the only cause since there are those who don't vax who have food allergic kids (my son showed signs of his allergies within hours of birth before he had any vaccines). I'm also saying it is far from proven that vaccines are the cause of food allergies. Ask any top allergist, any food allergy researcher and they will tell you they don't know the cause yet.

Posted on: Fri, 04/02/2010 - 11:08am
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Your link is nice. I have read that the first peanut allergy cases recorded are in the early 1900s.

Posted on: Sat, 04/03/2010 - 6:57am
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Vitamin K shots are now routine for newborns. And it is possible that there are trade secret ingredients in those.
"According to the product insert, adverse reactions include hemolysis (or hemolysis - American spelling) (meaning breakdown of red blood cells), hemolytic anemia (a disorder characterized by chronic premature destruction of red blood cells), hyperbilirubinemia (too much bilirubin in blood) and jaundice (yellow skin and eyes resulting from hyperbilirubinemia), and allergic reactions include face flushing, gastrointestinal upset, rash, redness, pain or swelling at injection site and itching skin."
http://www.womens-health.co.uk/vitk.asp
So it is not just vaccines that can have peanut derived products in them. Just think of all the various medications, drugs, injections that are produced. When you allow the pharmaceutical manufacturers to use peanuts to grow the culture for antibiotics and use peanut oil as an ingredient without putting anything on the package insert, how are doctors supposed to know why you have a bad reaction to a drug?
I am not saying that vaccines are the only cause. But unless researchers know that there can be food proteins in vaccines that could cause allergy, it will not occur to them to investigate vaccines as possibly being a direct cause.
Right now there is no reason for there to be any research on drugs and medicines as a cause of food allergy.
The vaccine manufacturers have a huge investment in vaccines and make a huge profit. They are not about to sponsor research that will force them to pull a billion dollar product off the market.
And our "independent" researchers are dependent upon donations from pharmaceutical companies to survive. Our universities get huge grants that they use to operate. If the pharmaceutical companies don't like the research you are doing, all they have to do is cut off your grants and you're done.
Then we have our researchers like Wakefield who did the autism study. He is getting crucified for his research. It was funded by parents of autistic children therefore the press says it was biased from the beginning. Well, the same argument goes for all the research funded by the pharmaceutical firms.
And there are doctors who have found that children are getting allergies after being vaccinated. They also know you don't inherit the allergy antibodies. You have to be exposed to the protein in order for your body to produce the antibodies. So the question is, where are the babies getting exposed to foods that the parent didn't eat and the baby didn't eat? How does a baby get a fish allergy when the parents are vegetarian? When you start with the assumption that vaccines are pure and only contain the ingredients on the package insert, you are left with no answer. So unless you find out that fish oil and soy oil and peanut oil are GRAS and can be in any medicine or vaccine or vitamin without appearing on the label, you won't know that those items should be studied.
Right now, it's still a big secret. The use of peanut products in pharmaceuticals should not be a protected trade secret.

Posted on: Mon, 04/05/2010 - 11:22pm
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Hi all,
I'm going to encourage you to consider buying The History of the Peanut Allergy Epidemic. http://www.peanutallergyepidemic.com
The book has 30 pages of endnotes referencing hundreds of research articles by doctors. The challenge of any controversial topic is in reading as much as possible, all information, opinions (that often conflict) and research. Often research and opinion merge and then blend with personal experience of the reader. I find many research article with conclusions that I would not reach based on the same information.
It is a difficult topic and I thank you for thinking and talking about it. Let's keep it up!
Heather

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