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Posted on: Tue, 10/26/2004 - 9:28pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Cookie:
[b]Your state Department of Education most likely has a stated policy for administration of medication on field trips. You can probably find this right on line. It might state that either the nurse or parent must attend. The school probably can't spare the nurse, so that would mean you - whether teacher likes it or not. [/b]
Do you mean, "State", as in "one of the fifty"? I live in IL. The school my oldest cub attends has put a requirement on my cub's participation in "Field Trips": [i]a parent or parent designee's (other than school staff) attendence[/i].
Don't get me wrong. I think the *best* situation for my *cub* would be for either of his [i]parents[/i] to attend. (He is in 3rd grade.) At least in our own personal, highly individual, and unique situation. However.............
......something about putting a [i]stipulation[/i] on a child's participation related to a "covered disability" [b]that essentially transfers the obligation to accommodate back to those asking for it[/b]..............doesn't sit well with me.
I mean, hypothetically, given the two scenarios:
1.) Child "x" will not be able to attend class field trips unless accompanied by a parent or parent designee. ( and further wording implying: "parent designee" being someone not in employ of the school, and who will carry medication, be responsible for it's correct administration, implementation of any emergency plans, and the general safety and well being of child "x")
2. A parent will be allowed to attend all field trips with child "x".
which would you choose?
My cub's food allergies and asthma are covered under "Other Health Impairment" in his IEP. I mean, would this indicate the school would be required to provide staff as necessary to support the Standard of Care necessary in order to allow a child to attend in the least restrictive environment? [i]Even if it meant the services of an RN[/i]? Honestly? I don't know. Are funds available to support this under "Other Health Impairment"? Honestly? I don't know.
But, I do suspect that even tho I am thrilled to be invited on all field trips and would not allow *my* cub to attend without his parent(s)...........(see, if *I* am responsible for implementing an emergency plan and monitoring my cub, *I* will have the "staff" [b]I designate and require[/b] to assist or collaborate with. [i]I won't be on my own[/i]. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
again,......even tho I am thrilled to be invited on all field trips and would not allow *my* cub to attend without his parent(s), I suspect that for whatever reasons, there exist children who may not be able to have their parents or a "parent designee" (implied: other than school staff) attend with them. I mean, at this point, should access to any particular part of education be limited based on a disability? Honestly? I don't know.
ps............I am a licensed RN. It is my understanding that even to not in the employ of the school or district or any related faction thereof.........[i]I would be the only RN attending such trips[/i]. I mean, *I think*, if I attend, [i]the school nurse or other similiarly licensed professional[/i][b] should also attend[/b]. I mean, I'm not privy to any other health care needs or individual health care plans children or adults attending such trips might have. I recall a tragic situation that possibly involving an LPN (not employ of the school and RN) on a field trip several years back. My memory could be wrong.
Although much of my actions as an RN are goverened by Standard Practice, I would hate to think that a person such as myself would be depended on in any formal way to administer to the needs of a person without former knowledge of such needs. You know, a [i]preplan[/i]. Preparedness. Awareness. I think it is very much in the interest of all individuals.
I mean, on such trips, [i]I'm supposed to be watching *my cub*.[/i] You know, delegated to do so. It's also my assumption that others would be watching my cub to........and therefore may not be *watching* him. To me, it's like a [b]Staffing Ratio/assignment based on acuity[/b]. I mean, if there is a need for more *staff* of any particular type, then it would need to be provided.
Sorry for my babble, and hopefully, AnnaMarie will not be offended I stepped in with this concern, but I saw it as related in many ways.............
I hope it made sense in a Big Picture Type of Way. Maybe *I* am just reading waaaaaaaaaaaay too much into it. I could be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off.
General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. Just describing my own personal, highly individual, and unique situation. IMMV.
[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited October 27, 2004).]

Posted on: Tue, 10/26/2004 - 10:30pm
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Momma Bear, I can only respond a little bit I think to your post. I have posted on this board what other PA parents do that cannot attend field trips with their children. There are dual-income families (I know you work outside of the home), single parents, etc. where taking time off work to accompany one's child, despite a hidden disability, on a field trip, may not be economically or physically possible.
I've begun to feel, and it's only now in my son's sixth year of school, that really, I shouldn't have to attend field trips because my son has a peanut allergy. He has had one field trip already and his Father did go with him and I'm not saying that I'm not going to be going with him on field trips this year, but I'm saying that I'm really beginning to feel that I shouldn't HAVE to, that it is somehow the school's responsibility to make sure that my son can participate in ALL school activities in relative safety.
I mean, he's there every day without me in the school.
I do use what I consider Deb O's risk assessment of the field trip when deciding if DH or I need to attend a field trip now. And I have, in the past, asked the teacher to be the parent designated supervisor.
The other thing that has bothered me, but I've never said anything about it, is that even though I'm attending as a parent designated supervisor on the field trip because of my son's PA, I am always given a group of children to look after and quite frankly it ticks me off. I'm not volunteering per se, I'm there to keep an eye on my son.
The other thing that is coming into my mind is that he gets older, he's not going to want me going on field trips with him. Right now, at almost 9, he's still cool with Mom going, not clear which age it will become uncool, but what about his socialization at school also?
I don't have anyone else I can ask to be a parent designated supervisor. It's either DH or I. I mean family wise, despite having moved closer to family.
Me, well, I've just written a note in my guy's agenda to-day asking if it's okay to come in Friday morning to check the Hallowe'en party food as per my son's written school plan.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 10/26/2004 - 11:31pm
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] The way *I* see it.................
Possibly, [i]The Standard of Care[/i] doesn't (or shouldn't) change, only the interventions necessary to maintain it. I could be wrong.[/b]
I either missed this post, or read it wrong the first time....
Anyway, it seems the Standard of Care isn't changing. At school his teacher is usually responsible for him - but there are times that he is with a different teacher or staff member - and then they are responsible for him. That is what is happening on the field trip. Either his teacher or a staff member (OK - board employee) will be responsible for him.

Posted on: Tue, 10/26/2004 - 11:33pm
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]Sorry for my babble, and hopefully, AnnaMarie will not be offended I stepped in with this concern, but I saw it as related in many ways.............
Only thing I'm upset about is that I've got to run, and I don't have time to read all this right now.
But, I'll be back to read it later. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
[i]MB, your comments are always welcomed by me. I don't always understand them, but I always welcome them.[/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 10/26/2004 - 11:59pm
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Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
[b]Me, well, I've just written a note in my guy's agenda to-day asking if it's okay to come in Friday morning to check the Hallowe'en party food as per my son's written school plan.
holy.............[i]so did I[/i]. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] As a matter of fact, a representative of the school will be meeting me there to oversee the process.
See, *I*'m [i]not allowed to attend the parties[/i]. Despite being *the* "room mom". Other class parents were surprised. Apparently, other classes allow *room moms* to attend, even class parents. Apparently, the same class last year allowed room moms and parents to attend. It came as a big surprise to some. (The fact I was not allowed to attend).
Aside from meet in a few rooms and attend open house, I have not entered the school area. Everything to date has been *cordial* on our part, even [i]professional[/i] with the exception of some polite/formal disagreement on some points. Even that was cordial and professional.
As a matter of fact, I recieved a communication that *if* I or my husband were to peruse the school environment for any reason, it would only be done with a supervisor assigned to us. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
My father told me: [i]"I rather be feared than pitied."[/i] Should I assume in this case we are feared? If so, gotta wonder............[i]why?[/i]
Odd, that I would not be allowed to attend *class parties* as a "room mom", but *I* (or a parent designee not school staff) would be *required* to attend field trips.
BTW, I've also resubmitted our request to observe our cub's participation in classes.
I've also restated my concern to attend the *class parties*.
And yes, I've requested quite a few copies of policies.
General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form.

Posted on: Wed, 10/27/2004 - 12:12am
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Joined: 07/14/2000 - 09:00

MommaBear, I think that is blatant discrimination of your son that either a parent or [i]non-staff[/i] must attend all field trips. I don't like it at all.
My dd's 504 plan stipulates that a parent is [i]allowed[/i] to attend.
Also, I feel that there is descrimination going on that you are not allowed to attend parties, when other classes allow it and this same teacher allowed it last year.
This business about you needing to basically be "chaperoned" on campus is bizarre.
It sounds like this school is a lot more concerned about covering their own you-know-whats rather than providing a supportive and safe environment for your son.

Posted on: Wed, 10/27/2004 - 1:37am
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Momma Bear, I agree with California Mom. Since I've already posted that I have sat in on my son's class and eaten at his peanut free BENCH with simply the verbal permission of his teacher, what is the big deal? I wasn't in the class to observe anything re PA (that was what I did at the BENCH later), I was there to observe other things regarding my son and the teacher thought it was a great idea.
Also, if you're "class Mom" (or "room Mom"), wouldn't it be expected that you would be in the class during parties to help out? Or what does being "class Mom" mean?
I don't know if it's in this thread or not, but I've now received notices from both of my children's classes that there are parent volunteers to call and they co-ordinate things like parties.
I received a message from the one for my son's class saying what he should bring to the party on Friday with a reminder that it was a peanut/nut free class and that the products had to be "safe".
However, as I outlined to his teacher in the note last night, it is the first party of the year, and I do expect, because it has happened in the past, for there to be some mistakes (not malicious or anything, just mistakes) and that's why I want to see what food is in that classroom. At this moment in time, I don't think the teacher will have a problem with this request, but I'll let everyone know.
I know that my son is old enough to choose what to eat carefully - for example, he never eats cupcakes from anyone, at school or anywhere else just because.
And certainly if I see anything on Friday that is not okay, I'm not going to make a big fuss about it, I'm simply going to ask for it to be removed from the peanut/nut free classroom and even volunteer to package it up for the other 33 students so they can take it home when they leave school on Friday.
Last year, the reason I was so upset (and I'll have to look at the thread again) was that Jesse's teacher was pi**ed off at me that I didn't want the products in the classroom. Her tone and facial expression told me that she would rather have me remove my son from school that day than take the offending products out of the classroom and that's why I ended up dealing with the substitute principal.
I also don't understand why you have to be chaperoned around the school. I walked into the school early Monday morning to speak with Jesse's teacher before class started about a project he was working on. I then walked to the office and left the Dey video, Epi-pen trainer and booklet for the principal. I was certainly not followed through the school or chaperoned. To me, that's just utter b/s (sorry).
To me, you would think that a school would welcome a concerned parent. How many parents even ask to go to observe their children's class (I don't mean PA parents, I mean all parents in general)?
I do hope that you are documenting all of this run around because I honestly don't think you should have had to put your request in writing and even if that is school policy, I don't understand why you haven't had a response yet.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 10/27/2004 - 6:30am
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Anna Marie, sorry off topic. I did receive permission to check Jesse's Hallowe'en party food to-day from his teacher. She wrote in his agenda that I was welcome to come in to check the food after lunch because they expected all of the food to be brought in by lunch time for the party.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 10/28/2004 - 12:55am
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Class mom or room mom aside, any parent should be welcome to the classroom. (Not everyone is able to be room mom, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to see the class - in the class.)
I can understand a teacher wanting it to be pre-arranged. Suddenly having a mom in the class can be disruptive, and the teacher should have some advance knowledge that this is going to happen.

Posted on: Thu, 10/28/2004 - 6:43am
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My saga continues....
Found out there are now three mom's going on the trip. And I'm [b]still[/b] not one of them.


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