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Since we have a field trip coming up Thurs, I went ahead(after reading some posts here about how others handle these situations) I thought, it wouldn't hurt to ask....I did go ahead and ask if the school could send out a letter asking(volunterily, not mandatory) if parents could pack something besides peanut butter for the sack lunch. But they said *no*. Their reasoning was that we can't control what people eat at the zoo, so why bother with our school(basically). Which is true....I would have liked to cut back on our own risk, but really it wouldn't have mattered since other schools will be there and bringing pb in their lunches. I guess it is one of those situations that you just deal with as best you can, right?? I will be there with my son and bringing him home myself(he is riding the bus there, but coming home in my car after...to avoid risk on the bus after lunch).

So how do you all handle field trips? Do you ask for pb to be avoided in lunches? Our school offered to pack your child's lunch(for a fee) and the choices were pb Uncrustable or nachos with cheese....so not really anything I could do to cut back on pb being brought. How much do you ask of the school on field trips? Or do you just take full responsibility for your child? Or do you avoid field trips? I'm just curious how others handle this....

I know this would upset parents at my school(to alter lunches for an allergy child), so I guess we pick our battles huh?? HUGS

------------------ Chanda(mother of 4) Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma) Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma) Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig and EE) Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

[This message has been edited by chanda4 (edited May 22, 2007).]

On May 22, 2007

We just had a field trip to west point. There is always a slight chance that lunch will be eaten on the bus in the event of poor weather. They also eat their snack on the bus on the way there. We shared one of those big luxury buses with 1/2 of another 3rd grade class. Yes, the teacher spoke with the other class and our class and said DON'T BRING ANY NUTS ON THIS TRIP!!! She was like, check your granola bars, check your labels....this is very important NO NUTS!!! My DH went on the trip and a hired nurse also attended. I go on the trip if a nurse is not available to go. Usually they are successful in getting a nurse.

On May 22, 2007

Their reasoning sounds like Continental airlines. I would ask again and say that it is true that it is impossible to secure a totally peanut-free environment but asking people to voluntarily not send peanuts/nuts will redue the exposure for your child and make the trip safer. Just becuase it can't be peanut free doesn't mean they should just have all peanuts possible. there is a middle ground! I'm sorry you have a school that is not more compassionate and understanding. YOu are paving the way for others, though, who will appreciate your work.

On May 22, 2007

We recently avoided a field trip for our DS who has PA. He is in Kindergarten. It was to a petting farm. The students were told to bring a non-refrigerated lunch so I knew that meant 130 kids would be bringing PB&J. I also asked the school if a letter be sent home asking parents to try to find an alternative to PB&J and was told "no-we can't tell other parents what they can and can't bring." The farm was also in the middle of no where...not too close to a hospital had something happened. I also called the farm to find out about the feed (the students would also be able to feed the animals) and the farm recommeded my DS not feed the animals as they could not say the feed didn't have nuts in it. With all these reasons my DH & I decided to skip that particular field trip. (we'll take each one as it comes I guess) There is another child with PA in Kindergarten who did attend and according to his Mother "had no incidents!" She put rubber gloves on him so he could feed the animals...

On May 22, 2007

I guess I'm going to be the minority here and say that I agree with the reasoning that telling other parents what they can and can't send is over the line.

My daughter starts kindergarten next year, and our only "doesn't need refrigeration" sandwiches for her are sunbutter or soynut butter. There are 3 incoming peanut allergic kindergardeners at our school, and I'm dreading the possibility of one of those parents insisting on a ban of anything peanut like.

Up until now, the only PA student this school has dealt with is my Jason, and we've never asked for a peanut ban because we never needed it.

edited to add, when there is a field trip that involves lunch offsite, DH or one of my IL's usually tags along. ------------------ Cheryl, mom to Jason (9 MFA including peanuts, tree nuts, shellfish, coconut, sesame, squid) Joey (7 NKA) Allison (4 milk allergic, suspect shellfish, avoiding PN/TN for now) Ryan (1) nka *knock on wood*

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On May 22, 2007

Ay-yi-yi. Your school really irritates me. It is not that hard to send home a simple letter. I agree with the person above who said your school sounds like Continental Airlines. When we fly do we pick the airline that serves peanuts or the airline that doesn`t? Yes, of course we know that a few passengers may bring peanuts on board, but that is nowhere near as much risk as serving peanuts to the entire airplane. I think the analogy really fits. Here is the letter that dd`s teacher sent home in elementary school (each teacher did a similar letter), and yes, this letter was even used for a field trip to the zoo:

"Dear Room 13 Parents and Students, Remember this Friday November __ we will have a field trip to ____. Please remember that we have a student with severe peanut allergy. Therefore, we would appreciate your cooperation in packing a sack lunch with NO peanut products (peanut butter sandwiches, trail mix with peanuts, etc.). Thanks again! Sincerely, Mrs. _______"

I really don`t think this is a lot to ask. Also, our school was in the habit of packing pbj for the free lunch kids on field trips, but dd`s 504 which stated that this letter must go home also stated that for the entire grade pbj would not be packed for the free lunch kids on field trips (usually several classes would go on the field trip, all the same grade). Really isn`t this the point of a 504? About the bus, the kids get really excited about riding the bus. It is part of the experience of the field trip. About kids from other schools bringing pbj, that reasoning makes no sense, because your child will be hanging around with kids from your school, not total strangers from another school. There is no logic to that at all.

What does Rhonda say about all this?

On May 22, 2007

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Originally posted by Carefulmom: [b]

What does Rhonda say about all this?[/b]

Thanks for all the opinions so far. I guess I just need to see how others handle field trips, I can't say if this irritates me yet or not. I can see both sides, but then that doesn't support my sons disability rights, now does it. Anyways, I haven't asked Rhonda...just getting opinions on my own for now. Thanks everyone!

------------------ Chanda(mother of 4) Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma) Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma) Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig and EE) Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

On May 22, 2007

Regarding my own son (insect allergy) he is to be with me or his teacher on all field trips. This request came after a trip when he was put with a parent that knew nothing about epi-pens.

As for pb -- my son's school does not allow peanuts/nuts or pb to be brought into the school. That includes field trips, even if other people at the place will be eating pb. The reasoning is that they usually will not be eating with strangers, but with the other kids from their own school.

On May 22, 2007

Part of our 504 plan is that I must be notified 4 wks in advance of all field trips. The teacher and I work out a plan for each trip regarding food/eating location/cleaning up and bus. The principal signs off on the plan for each trip. So far, our trips have been short and were scheduled in between meals. The kids ate a slightly later lunch when we got back to school. There is no food allowed on the bus per district policy.

Cathy

------------------ Mom to 7 yr old PA/TNA daughter and 4 yr old son who is allergic to eggs.

On May 22, 2007

Maybe you should run it by that guy at OCR (the one I talked to on the phone during your other thread a few weeks ago). He did say that OCR on occasion has required schools to tell parents not to send in peanut products, so to me that means it is legal for the school to do it.

On May 22, 2007

Thanks carefulmom...I actually am undecided still. I will go on the field trip Thurs and see(take notes) of issues I see....then think about what I feel I should do. It feel wrong to me, but I need to see for myself before I make this an issue. Thanks again!!!

------------------ Chanda(mother of 4) Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma) Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma) Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig and EE) Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

On May 22, 2007

In Kindergarten, the school announced that all the kids would be provided a sack lunch from the school for field trips (nd their lunch accounts would be deducted). It was cream cheese on a bagel + some other stuff. . . Coolers were used to transport the lunches.

Why can't the teachers use coolers? What's the big deal? I mean, they have to carry the lunches in [i]something[/i] anyway. Why not a cooler on wheels? It would be more convenient than the usual laundry basket they use daily at school. . .

In first grade on, letters were sent home requesting no PB in field trip lunches (much like the one Carefulmom suggested) and wipes were passed out by the teacher.

On May 23, 2007

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Originally posted by Gail W: [b]Why can't the teachers use coolers? What's the big deal? I mean, they have to carry the lunches in [i]something[/i] anyway. [/b]

Every field trip I've gone on the students have been responsible to carry their own lunches. I usually bring a back-pack to stick all my groups lunches in -- I want to make sure none of them lose them.

On May 23, 2007

That's interesting. Every field trip I've been on the lunches are kept on the bus in some sort of bin (cooler, laundry basket) until it was time to eat. Then the teacher would get the bin and distribute the lunches. That's still true even at the Middle School. In 8 years, the kids have never carried their own lunches.

I guess it's done differently depending on the school's custom. ?

On May 23, 2007

At our school, I think they keep the lunches on the bus if the kids will be eating near where it is parked. I know for the zoo the mom in charge of the group will carry the lunches for her group. I will be carrying my sons myself and following his group. But it differs for each destination I know. They NEVER take coolers though, it has to actually be in a brown paper bag, something easy enought o be stuffed into a backpack etc...

Gail, I want to move to your district!!

------------------ Chanda(mother of 4) Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma) Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma) Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig and EE) Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

On May 23, 2007

We've always specified that Jason's lunch is kept separate from the rest of the lunches on field trips. Works out pretty well for us.

------------------ Cheryl, mom to Jason (9 MFA including peanuts, tree nuts, shellfish, coconut, sesame, squid) Joey (7 NKA) Allison (4 milk allergic, suspect shellfish, avoiding PN/TN for now) Ryan (1) nka *knock on wood*

On May 23, 2007

Once again after reading what some of you have to deal with, I thank my lucky stars for our school. I think in this day and age, it is crazy for a school to offer to pack lunches with crustables being one of the choices. Our field trips have all been prefaced with a letter to parents asking to not send peanut/nut products. For 5 years now for my son, it really hasn't been an issue...it has been that way since Kgtn, and parents' are just used to it..there are those few of course that don't listen, and send it anyway, but our teachers are eagle eyes for that, and they keep that child away and make sure they wash up..whenever I get frustrated with my school, I need to remember what some of you unfortunately have to deal with..HUGS to you all!

------------------ Amy (mom of 2) Son PA/TNA Daughter PA/TNA

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