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Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 2:20am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder how you would address this question to parents of children with Asthma, Diabetes, Other Life-Threatening Food Alleries, Epilepsy, LD, and a Myriad of Other Personal and Individual Concerns.[/b]
In my opinion, the difference is that these other concerns mostly affect the specific person who has them. For example, a student with asthma, diabetes, etc would not die from other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc).
Food allergies are different as a student with an allergy CAN die by other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc).
Although as I have stated before it deosn't really matter what we call the school as long as it follows the policies desired by the parent (which may include allowing peanut products as I have noticed many parents here at PA.COm have no restrictions preventing their children from eating lunch with other children who may be eating peanut butter and in fact that is the same situation that I had in school)

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 2:28am
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Quote:Originally posted by patsmommy:
[b] To me that a school that is "peanut free" is better then a school where 450 kids could bring in pb and jelly. Dont get me wrong, my son will have his plan in place at this school. [/b]
I agree. Although since I have no children at this time I won't have to worry about this issue. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 3:03am
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] In my opinion, the difference is that these other concerns mostly affect the specific person who has them. For example, a student with asthma, diabetes, etc would not die from other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc). [/b]
I don't necessarily agree, and explaining rationale might require quite possibly an education in the appropriate field. As well as much time.
Gail, I am reflecting on your comments regarding "life, children, etc." Thank you. {}{}{}{}
Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] Food allergies are different as a student with an allergy CAN die by other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc).[/b]
Did I not mention "Other Food Allergies"?
Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]...it deosn't really matter what we call the school as long as it follows the policies desired by the parent [/b]
Again, I don't necessarily agree.
Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form.

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 3:33am
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Quote:Originally posted by Momma Bear:
[b]I don't necessarily agree, and explaining rationale might require quite possibly an education in the appropriate field. As well as much time.[/b]
I really don't think I need an education in the medical field in order to read your response as to why an average student would not be more of a threat to another student with a peanut allergy than they would be to a student with a different concern (ie: diabetes, asthma). If you don't have time for the detailed response, how about the summarized version for me? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Quote:Originally posted by Momma Bear:
[b]Did I not mention "Other Food Allergies"? [/b]
No, you did mention it.
Quote:Originally posted by Momma Bear
[b]You may not be surprised to see where this falls (or does not) in my list of genuine concern[/b].....
[b]I don't necessarily agree.[/b]
Do I detect some waffling [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] in your replies? Waffle envy perhaps? First you said that coming up for a name for the school (peanut-safe, reduce the risk, etc) is not in your list of concerns. But now you are saying that it is important what we call it...
So if you think it is important what we call it, what term would you recommend? Inquiring minds want to know... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
[i]reduce the risk school[/i] seems to be a popular term with many...
[This message has been edited by erik (edited May 22, 2003).]

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 3:46am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]... [i]wthddimatphs[/i]?...
[/b]
???
(When The Hot Dogs Die It Means All The Picnic Halts Severely???)

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 4:52am
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] Do I detect some waffling [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] in your replies? Waffle envy perhaps? First you said that coming up for a name for the school (peanut-safe, reduce the risk, etc) is not in your list of concerns. But now you are saying that it is important what we call it...
[/b]
[i]Note my response the second time around was with regard to a statement you made containing [i]a qualifier[/i]. [/i]
Different, statement, aye?
Originally posted by erik:
"...it deosn't really matter what we call the school[b]as long as it follows the policies desired by the parent[/b]"
(bold added by MommaBear)
Originally posted in reply by MommaBear:
"Again, I don't necessarily agree."
[i]("Again" in reference to an earlier statement I made in the same post:[/i]
"I don't necessarily agree.........."
[i]in response to:[/i]
Originally posted by erik:
In my opinion, the difference is that these other concerns mostly affect the specific person who has them. For example, a student with asthma, diabetes, etc would not die from other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc).
[i]The "first time around" in reference to:[/i]
Originally posted by erik:
"So what are we to call this. I know you are not comfortable with the peanut-free term (regarding classrooms that is.. although I think you did accept this term for food products in some cases that meet your standards). A reduce the risk school? A peanut safe school? A peanut precautions school? What are some ideas for this.... I am curious as to what terminology we would use to refer to a school such as Gail's that does have policies, procedures, etc that do meet a qualified yes to your expectations."
Original post in reply by MommaBear:
"hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder how you would address this question to parents of children with Asthma, Diabetes, Other Life-Threatening Food Alleries, Epilepsy, LD, and a Myriad of Other Personal and Individual Concerns.
You may not be surprised to see where this falls (or does not) in my list of genuine concern. All ego aside.
wthddimatphs?
Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form.
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Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. Merely humming loudly.
MommaBear [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
Speaking the King's English and humming a catchy tune. IMHO.
[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited May 22, 2003).]

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 4:55am
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Quote:Originally posted by arachide:
[b] ???
(When The Hot Dogs Die It Means All The Picnic Halts Severely???)[/b]
That's guess [i]one[/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 5:06am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]
[i]Note my response the second time around was with regard to a statement you made containing a qualifier. [/i]
Different, statement, aye?
Originally posted by erik:
"...it deosn't really matter what we call the school[b]as long as it follows the policies desired by the parent[/b]"
(bold added by MommaBear)
Originally posted in reply by MommaBear:
"Again, I don't necessarily agree."
[i]("Again" in reference to an earlier statement I made in the same post:[/i]
"I don't necessarily agree.........."
[i]in response to:[/i]
Originally posted by erik:
In my opinion, the difference is that these other concerns mostly affect the specific person who has them. For example, a student with asthma, diabetes, etc would not die from other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc).
[i]The "first time around" in reference to:[/i]
Originally posted by erik:
"So what are we to call this. I know you are not comfortable with the peanut-free term (regarding classrooms that is.. although I think you did accept this term for food products in some cases that meet your standards). A reduce the risk school? A peanut safe school? A peanut precautions school? What are some ideas for this.... I am curious as to what terminology we would use to refer to a school such as Gail's that does have policies, procedures, etc that do meet a qualified yes to your expectations."
Original post in reply by MommaBear:
"hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder how you would address this question to parents of children with Asthma, Diabetes, Other Life-Threatening Food Alleries, Epilepsy, LD, and a Myriad of Other Personal and Individual Concerns.
You may not be surprised to see where this falls (or does not) in my list of genuine concern. All ego aside.
wthddimatphs?
Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form.
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HA-LEL-LU-JAH!
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Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. Merely humming loudly.
MommaBear [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
Speaking the King's English and humming a catchy tune. IMHO.
[/b]
In reading your reply, I was not quite sure what you were saying but I believe your point was that it doesn't really matter what we call the school? (ie: the term peanut-safe, reduce the risk, etc). Is that the correct interpretation?
That was my original point that a name is just a label unless there is substance behind the name.
Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] I don't necessarily agree, and explaining rationale might require quite possibly an education in the appropriate field[/b]
Once again, I do not think a medical background would be required in order for me to understand your response. As many PA Moms have posted at this site, they were more aware and able to understand PA issues and allergies in general than some of the doctors that they had visited.
For example, you don't have a music degree yet you understand Handel's music. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
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[This message has been edited by erik (edited May 22, 2003).]

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 5:15am
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At least I've got you humming?

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 5:16am
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Eric, MommaBear is having fun and talking in circles. I think.
Let's try to ask a specific question - for a specific answer.
First question: Do you feel naming is of no value?
Second question: Are there other health problems/differences that a school would deal with (such as diabetes, LD, etc.) that [i]could[/i] be affected by other students going about their daily business (like eating lunch.)
Specific MommaBear. I'm learning s-l-o-w-l-y. (me, not you)

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