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Posted on: Wed, 05/21/2003 - 9:39am
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Quote:Originally posted by patsmommy:
[b] I like this thread. Sorry this post is not debating anything. I have a 7month old on my hip who is not happy.[/b]
Hi Patsmommy,
It's fine.. you don't need to debate in order to post here in this thread.
The purpose of this thread is to allow those who dislike debates/never-ending discussions/etc (and those who dislike when a thread starts to veer to another topic) the opportunity to by-pass it by staying out of this thread. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 05/21/2003 - 9:57am
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] peanut-free ones? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
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of course!

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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] Hi Patsmommy,
It's fine.. you don't need to debate in order to post here in this thread.
The purpose of this thread is to allow those who dislike debates/never-ending discussions/etc (and those who dislike when a thread starts to veer to another topic) the opportunity to by-pass it by staying out of this thread. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] [/b]
then this is perfect for me, since I have been told I can go on and on about things and I tend to veer off topic only to go back to the first one!
btw, can everyone tell me who is pa in their family?

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Quote:Originally posted by patsmommy:
[b]btw, can everyone tell me who is pa in their family?
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I am PA. No one else in my family has PA.
Yes.. you are welcome to debate, post long replies, veer off topic, etc... this thread has no real guidelines. Many people get irritated when threads go off topic or get bogged down in never-ending discussions, so this thread is a great place to post for those of us who want the freedom to post anything and debate anything without us having to worry that we are irritating others [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 05/21/2003 - 10:25am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] Would such a regulatory body (if indeed, that is what the "committee" is) be required to "walk in step" with any laws, licensing regulations, etc,... of any "higher authorities"? Ie: local, state, federal? [i]Provincial[/i]???, etc.....?
[/b]
Hmmmm, the school allergy committee is a new concept in my region anyway. Has anyone heard of the like elsewhere?
There are no legal "requirements" imposed on us --we're charting new terrain here. The Allergy Committee is "answerable" to the school Governing Board, but does not have to adhere to any set rules/laws re: allergy management protocol because NONE exist (locally, regionally, provincially, or federally).
We have been approved by and officially recognized by school administration, staff, and parent representatives.
We have a clear opportunity to set precedent here, and shall I dare say, start the ball rolling in terms of regulating by enforceable measures those critical PPP's and SoC's; given the sanction by the aforementioned school representativesroups.
I say "start the ball rolling" because I recognize that the allergy committee is not a perfect solution (we only "apply" to our school).
Say, wouldn't it be nice if school allergy committees started popping up all over the place? Gee, think of the possibilities...
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Posted on: Wed, 05/21/2003 - 10:29am
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Quote:Originally posted by Cayley's Mom:
[b]Not only are most of us not in a position to homeschool, but homeschooling should be a personal choice. It should not be something we are forced to do because public schools won't accomodate a child's safety. Instead, fight to have the school make accomodations for PA kids, to pave the way for lasting changes.
I "paved" the way for Cayley's preschool, but fortunately for me, someone else had already paved the way for us by the time she hit kindergarten.[/b]
Hi Gail (and whoever else wants to answer):
Regarding what Cayley's Mom wrote... what do we do if we are in a situation where the school does not have the policies/procedures/standard of care etc. up to the standards expected by Momma Bear and others?
I am seeing various opinions here... Anna Marie says a peanut ban (no guarantees) is a work of art and needs fine tuning (ie: Rome wasn't built in a day theory). Momma Bear says that it would be too dangerous to send children to a school like this as a peanut ban like this should be junked ("it's an ambulance siren away").
So what does everyone think? And another question... if we [b]can't[/b] homeschool, [b]what are we to do[/b] if this peanut ban classroom (with no guarantees) is the only option available to us? What options do we have?
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] Hi Gail (and whoever else wants to answer):
Regarding what Cayley's Mom wrote... what do we do if we are in a situation where the school does not have the policies/procedures/standard of care etc. up to the standards expected by Momma Bear and others?
...if we can't homeschool, what are we to do if this peanut ban classroom (with no guarantees) is the only option available to us? What options do we have? [/b]
Lots of options because I believe MommaBear's standards are achievable. You can obtain them by setting that standard as your goal. You can press to keep FA issues on the school's agenda. You can keep it on the school's agenda by doing everything humanly possible to keep an open dialogue. You persist. You take the leadership role if required because it is (excuse me for be so bold to say) it is your duty as a parent to do so and no one else is as motivated (dare I say [i]obligated [/i]) as you, the parent. You can persistently show your principal and other administrators that it is their duty to create such policy if none exists. That not only is it their duty, but that it will protect them as well as your child.
My school had no (zero) experience with peanut allergy. None. It took 2 1/2 years to create district-wide guidelines. It was not easy and often felt like a part to full-time job. I think since this "debate" began I have realized, from MoommaBear, that it truly was our full-time RN who was vital in the process because they had a level of care (SoC) that I could [b]expect [/b]the school to give... precisely [b]because [/b] they have a FT RN.
When I read MommaBear's posts (that inevidebly have multiple links), I believe that what she is doing is arming readers with amunition. I wish readers would view it as her giving valuable tools and try to use them to make your own situations (w/ your schools) better.
I think (correct me MommaBear if I am wrong) that when MommaBear asks, "Gail did you scream? fight? did you [i]need [/i]to?" that what she is getting at is this... if you show the school administrators the how the full-time school nurse is obligated to fulfill her professional duties, that a parent shouldn't [b] need [/b] to fight. Once these professional standards are revealed, they should "illuminate" (was that your word, MommaBear?) the path that leads to PPP and SoC, because they are obligated to do so.
I really, really liked synthia's recent question to MommaBear (something like) "MommaBear, if you were a school nurse, what would you think your duties would be do ...?" I think this was an excellent question, and shows (to me, at least) that what is sometimes missing is a practical application of how to actually use the information that MommaBear is trying to give.
Am I reading you correctly, MommaBear?
Gail

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Thanks Gail - a very informative post. As I am not a parent at this time, I have lots of time to learn from all of you parents here at PA.COM so I will be more prepared when the time comes. All of these postings provide such valuable reading. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by Gail: [b] "Yes, our school nurse developed annual training documentation for all staff. Staff meet individually w/ the nurse, watch the Dey slide show (in her office), practice epi-pen training, review Mariah's Action Plan, and disucuss any questions. Then the nurse and staff member sign the "check list". [/b]
And
[b]"Yes and No. It is not individualized for Mariah specifically. There are now other PA students (other grade levels) and the same letter (to parents) is used for their grade-level as well. It states the school district's protocal on PA and emphasizes the need for cooperation f rom "the community".[/b]
Personally, and with respect to my own individual and unique situation (and whom in my own family that entails)and not in any manner or form offering advice or recommendations for anyone else.............:
AMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZING! Are you indicating that a professional body of sorts was able to develop a Standardized Policy, Procedure, or Protocol that not only adequately addressed the needs of several persons with a similar diagnosis as well as an individual????? (Picking jaw up off floor) As well as a method of imparting this knowledge? As well as a method of verifying appropriate comprehension of the same???? (Now posterior end joining jaw on floor) Waaaaaaaaaaaaay? Who wulda thunk it?
Side note: In no way am I belittling the accomplishments of your school nurse

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Hi MommaBear,
Re the letter to parents, it's pretty straight forward. I've seen the signature return forms and think they're a good idea. The school's attitude is that it's "no food" in the classroom period. It is [i] strickly [/i] enforced. Doesn't matter if you understand it or not. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
For example, Mariah's class is currently studying plants. A recent exercise involved planting lima beans. First, the teacher got permission from the principal and nurse. After that, she contacted me by email and asked me my thoughts. I responded that "lime beans" (I accidently made a typo and called them lime beans) would be fine for Mariah to handle. The teacher e-mailed me back, just to "make sure" that "lima beans" were okay since I stated "lime beans" in my email. I found this correspondance very interesting as clearly she was making sure that there was absolutely no question in my written documentation to her.
Re the 504... I regret not getting it. It was just part of our unique prcess ("the dance") with our school. I recently had correspondance w/ the district 504 coordinator, and she confirmed that there is still not a student in our district (w/ PA) w/ a 504 plan. Something we still consider... but frankly, I'm not hurrying ahead to be another "first" in the district. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Our situation is that we are in the midst of ironing out some other special needs (LDs).... so it probably will end up that Mariah's IHP will be folded into an IEP beginning next school year.
I swear, sometimes figuring this all out is just way too complicated. I think that a parent could really benefit from a class on "advocating for your child with special needs" or something to that effect.
Gail
p.s. arachide, hope to address your committee questions tomorrow. I'm very glad you're in this conversation. You too, patsmommy. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Once these professional standards are revealed, they should "illuminate" (was that your word, MommaBear?) the path that leads to PPP and SoC, because they are obligated to do so.
[/b]
(putting on my shades)............
You were saying?

Posted on: Wed, 05/21/2003 - 11:31pm
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Quote:Originally posted by patsmommy:
[b] btw, can everyone tell me who is pa in their family?
[/b]
patsmommy, I bumped up a thread for you. It's under the topic Living With Peanut Allergy, and it's titled What's the Whole List of Allergies You're Dealing With.
[This message has been edited by AnnaMarie (edited May 22, 2003).]

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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] Regarding what Cayley's Mom wrote... what do we do if we are in a situation where the school does not have the policies/procedures/standard of care etc. up to the standards expected by Momma Bear and others?
So what does everyone think? And another question... if we [b]can't[/b] homeschool, [b]what are we to do[/b] if this peanut ban classroom (with no guarantees) is the only option available to us? What options do we have?
B]
...start a school allergy committee...
...approach the school parent committee and ask to be appointed allergy spokesperson (if refused, attend all parent committee meetings, as is your right, and speak out about any matters impacting allergy management --in other words make yourself a [i]de facto[/i] allergy spokesperson
...volunteer at the school, and if you cannot due to work, attend any evening meetings you can
Gail put it best: Quote:[b]standards are achievable. You can obtain them by setting that standard as your goal. You can press to keep FA issues on the school's agenda. You can keep it on the school's agenda by doing everything humanly possible to keep an open dialogue. You persist. You take the leadership role if required because it is (excuse me for be so bold to say) it is your duty as a parent to do so and no one else is as motivated (dare I say obligated ) as you, the parent. You can persistently show your principal and other administrators that it is their duty to create such policy if none exists. That not only is it their duty, but that it will protect them as well as your child.[/b]
Bottom line...

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MommaBear: Quote:[b]

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Quote:Originally posted by arachide:
[b]MommaBear: [quote][b]

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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Lots of options because I believe MommaBear's standards are achievable. You can obtain them by setting that standard as your goal. You can press to keep FA issues on the school's agenda. You can keep it on the school's agenda by doing everything humanly possible to keep an open dialogue. You persist. You take the leadership role if required because it is (excuse me for be so bold to say) it is your duty as a parent to do so and no one else is as motivated (dare I say [i]obligated [/i]) as you, the parent. You can persistently show your principal and other administrators that it is their duty to create such policy if none exists. That not only is it their duty, but that it will protect them as well as your child.
[/b]
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]Hi MommaBear,
The school's attitude is that it's "no food" in the classroom period. It is [i] strickly [/i] enforced. Doesn't matter if you understand it or not. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
[/b]
Quietly [b]and personally[/b] associating the ability to define, enforce, and apply concepts to various levels of education with increased compliance and ultimately the ability to achieve goals.

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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]A

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How about a peanut allergy aware school?
the school I am trying to get my son in is "peanut free" a term used loosely. However, the principal, nurse and staff are very aware of the allergy and what it means. The principal actually said in response to why she was banning peanut products from the school "why put even one child at risk?"
To me that a school that is "peanut free" is better then a school where 450 kids could bring in pb and jelly. Dont get me wrong, my son will have his plan in place at this school. He will have his own snacks, epipens etc.
why is that not good enough? Even though they sat they are peanut free they are not being lazy on the precautiuons anyway.
So peanut allergy aware, I mean alot of people , schools included are still in the dark about how severe the allergy can be and whar it really means. Peanut allergy aware school.
Ok dd is sqirming on lap again.....

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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]
So what are we to call this. I know you are not comfortable with the peanut-free term (regarding classrooms that is.. although I think you did accept this term for food products in some cases that meet your standards). A [i]reduce the risk[/i] school? A [i]peanut safe[/i] school? A [i]peanut precautions[/i] school? What are some ideas for this.... I am curious as to what terminology we would use to refer to a school such as Gail's that does have policies, procedures, etc that do meet a [i]qualified yes[/i] to your expectations.
[/b]
hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder how you would address this question to parents of children with Asthma, Diabetes, Other Life-Threatening Food Alleries, Epilepsy, LD, and a Myriad of Other Personal and Individual Concerns.
You may not be surprised to see where this falls (or does not) in my list of genuine concern. All ego aside. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder how you would address this question to parents of children with Asthma, Diabetes, Other Life-Threatening Food Alleries, Epilepsy, LD, and a Myriad of Other Personal and Individual Concerns.[/b]
In my opinion, the difference is that these other concerns mostly affect the specific person who has them. For example, a student with asthma, diabetes, etc would not die from other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc).
Food allergies are different as a student with an allergy CAN die by other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc).
Although as I have stated before it deosn't really matter what we call the school as long as it follows the policies desired by the parent (which may include allowing peanut products as I have noticed many parents here at PA.COm have no restrictions preventing their children from eating lunch with other children who may be eating peanut butter and in fact that is the same situation that I had in school)

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Quote:Originally posted by patsmommy:
[b] To me that a school that is "peanut free" is better then a school where 450 kids could bring in pb and jelly. Dont get me wrong, my son will have his plan in place at this school. [/b]
I agree. Although since I have no children at this time I won't have to worry about this issue. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] In my opinion, the difference is that these other concerns mostly affect the specific person who has them. For example, a student with asthma, diabetes, etc would not die from other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc). [/b]
I don't necessarily agree, and explaining rationale might require quite possibly an education in the appropriate field. As well as much time.
Gail, I am reflecting on your comments regarding "life, children, etc." Thank you. {}{}{}{}
Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] Food allergies are different as a student with an allergy CAN die by other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc).[/b]
Did I not mention "Other Food Allergies"?
Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]...it deosn't really matter what we call the school as long as it follows the policies desired by the parent [/b]
Again, I don't necessarily agree.
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Quote:Originally posted by Momma Bear:
[b]I don't necessarily agree, and explaining rationale might require quite possibly an education in the appropriate field. As well as much time.[/b]
I really don't think I need an education in the medical field in order to read your response as to why an average student would not be more of a threat to another student with a peanut allergy than they would be to a student with a different concern (ie: diabetes, asthma). If you don't have time for the detailed response, how about the summarized version for me? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Quote:Originally posted by Momma Bear:
[b]Did I not mention "Other Food Allergies"? [/b]
No, you did mention it.
Quote:Originally posted by Momma Bear
[b]You may not be surprised to see where this falls (or does not) in my list of genuine concern[/b].....
[b]I don't necessarily agree.[/b]
Do I detect some waffling [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] in your replies? Waffle envy perhaps? First you said that coming up for a name for the school (peanut-safe, reduce the risk, etc) is not in your list of concerns. But now you are saying that it is important what we call it...
So if you think it is important what we call it, what term would you recommend? Inquiring minds want to know... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
[i]reduce the risk school[/i] seems to be a popular term with many...
[This message has been edited by erik (edited May 22, 2003).]

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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]... [i]wthddimatphs[/i]?...
[/b]
???
(When The Hot Dogs Die It Means All The Picnic Halts Severely???)

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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] Do I detect some waffling [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] in your replies? Waffle envy perhaps? First you said that coming up for a name for the school (peanut-safe, reduce the risk, etc) is not in your list of concerns. But now you are saying that it is important what we call it...
[/b]
[i]Note my response the second time around was with regard to a statement you made containing [i]a qualifier[/i]. [/i]
Different, statement, aye?
Originally posted by erik:
"...it deosn't really matter what we call the school[b]as long as it follows the policies desired by the parent[/b]"
(bold added by MommaBear)
Originally posted in reply by MommaBear:
"Again, I don't necessarily agree."
[i]("Again" in reference to an earlier statement I made in the same post:[/i]
"I don't necessarily agree.........."
[i]in response to:[/i]
Originally posted by erik:
In my opinion, the difference is that these other concerns mostly affect the specific person who has them. For example, a student with asthma, diabetes, etc would not die from other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc).
[i]The "first time around" in reference to:[/i]
Originally posted by erik:
"So what are we to call this. I know you are not comfortable with the peanut-free term (regarding classrooms that is.. although I think you did accept this term for food products in some cases that meet your standards). A reduce the risk school? A peanut safe school? A peanut precautions school? What are some ideas for this.... I am curious as to what terminology we would use to refer to a school such as Gail's that does have policies, procedures, etc that do meet a qualified yes to your expectations."
Original post in reply by MommaBear:
"hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder how you would address this question to parents of children with Asthma, Diabetes, Other Life-Threatening Food Alleries, Epilepsy, LD, and a Myriad of Other Personal and Individual Concerns.
You may not be surprised to see where this falls (or does not) in my list of genuine concern. All ego aside.
wthddimatphs?
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Quote:Originally posted by arachide:
[b] ???
(When The Hot Dogs Die It Means All The Picnic Halts Severely???)[/b]
That's guess [i]one[/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
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[i]Note my response the second time around was with regard to a statement you made containing a qualifier. [/i]
Different, statement, aye?
Originally posted by erik:
"...it deosn't really matter what we call the school[b]as long as it follows the policies desired by the parent[/b]"
(bold added by MommaBear)
Originally posted in reply by MommaBear:
"Again, I don't necessarily agree."
[i]("Again" in reference to an earlier statement I made in the same post:[/i]
"I don't necessarily agree.........."
[i]in response to:[/i]
Originally posted by erik:
In my opinion, the difference is that these other concerns mostly affect the specific person who has them. For example, a student with asthma, diabetes, etc would not die from other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc).
[i]The "first time around" in reference to:[/i]
Originally posted by erik:
"So what are we to call this. I know you are not comfortable with the peanut-free term (regarding classrooms that is.. although I think you did accept this term for food products in some cases that meet your standards). A reduce the risk school? A peanut safe school? A peanut precautions school? What are some ideas for this.... I am curious as to what terminology we would use to refer to a school such as Gail's that does have policies, procedures, etc that do meet a qualified yes to your expectations."
Original post in reply by MommaBear:
"hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder how you would address this question to parents of children with Asthma, Diabetes, Other Life-Threatening Food Alleries, Epilepsy, LD, and a Myriad of Other Personal and Individual Concerns.
You may not be surprised to see where this falls (or does not) in my list of genuine concern. All ego aside.
wthddimatphs?
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Speaking the King's English and humming a catchy tune. IMHO.
[/b]
In reading your reply, I was not quite sure what you were saying but I believe your point was that it doesn't really matter what we call the school? (ie: the term peanut-safe, reduce the risk, etc). Is that the correct interpretation?
That was my original point that a name is just a label unless there is substance behind the name.
Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] I don't necessarily agree, and explaining rationale might require quite possibly an education in the appropriate field[/b]
Once again, I do not think a medical background would be required in order for me to understand your response. As many PA Moms have posted at this site, they were more aware and able to understand PA issues and allergies in general than some of the doctors that they had visited.
For example, you don't have a music degree yet you understand Handel's music. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
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At least I've got you humming?

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 5:16am
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Eric, MommaBear is having fun and talking in circles. I think.
Let's try to ask a specific question - for a specific answer.
First question: Do you feel naming is of no value?
Second question: Are there other health problems/differences that a school would deal with (such as diabetes, LD, etc.) that [i]could[/i] be affected by other students going about their daily business (like eating lunch.)
Specific MommaBear. I'm learning s-l-o-w-l-y. (me, not you)

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Quote:Originally posted by AnnaMarie:
[b]Eric, MommaBear is having fun and talking in circles. I think.
[/b]
Oh, ya. The time I spend here on these boards away from my family is loads of fun. Loads.

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 5:23am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] Oh, ya. The time I spend here on these boards away from my family is loads of fun. Loads.
[/b]
Face it MommaBear. You love us. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Quote:Originally posted by AnnaMarie:
[b]Eric, MommaBear is having fun and talking in circles. I think.[/b]
She must have taken higher education in the field of geometry? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
Quote:Originally posted by AnnaMarie:
[b]Let's try to ask a specific question - for a specific answer.[/b]
Thanks.. you are much better at phrasing questions than me.. you must have taken higher education in the field of English? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] Looking forward to the answers to your specific questions.
Although I see Momma Bear is pleased I have learned how to hummm [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]Oh, ya. The time I spend here on these boards away from my family is loads of fun. Loads.[/b]
Me think thou doth protest too much. You love every second you are here. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] Thanks.. you are much better at phrasing questions than me.. you must have taken higher education in the field of English? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] Looking forward to the answers to your specific questions.
[/b]
English was my best (and favourite) subject.
But will it work...tick...tock...
[i]Please note Canadian spelling - not an error[/i]

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Quote:Originally posted by AnnaMarie:
[b] But will it work...tick...tock...
[/b]
I hope it works... but she doesn't always answer every question (such as the one I posed about why she questions waffles as a healthy breakfast choice - I don't think I'll ever get an answer to that one) [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
tick... tock...

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 5:40am
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I miss waffles....

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 5:45am
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Quote:Originally posted by AnnaMarie:
[b]I miss waffles....
[/b]
I guess the Dempsters peanut-free waffles that MommaBear has an aversion to are off limits to you, since Dempsters does use sesame seeds in their facilies [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img] Well.. there's always homemade???

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bread, hotdog buns, hamburger buns, hotcross buns, bagels, pretzels, cakes, cookies, cupcakes, fudge, [b]pizza[/b]
Off the top of my head that's the list of things I *have* to make that others can just go and buy. I'll pass on the waffles. And actually, I think there are lots of things I just do without.
I do, however, let my son eat waffles.

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Quote:Originally posted by AnnaMarie:
[b]bread, hotdog buns, hamburger buns, hotcross buns, bagels, pretzels, cakes, cookies, cupcakes, fudge, pizza
[/b]
This is one reason I don't think PA is that difficult to manage. Imagine a sesame seed allergy... it would be [b]much[/b] more difficult to manage than PA. In fact, most if not all restaurants would be off limits as they all serve bread products (sesame seeds). It makes those of us with PA realize we don't have it as bad as someone like you who has PA and sesame seed allergy.
At least you can eat Canadian peanut-free Kit Kats [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/22/2003 - 6:18am
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]
At least you can eat Canadian peanut-free Kit Kats [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
[/b]
True. I consider myself lucky. I'm Canadian (which makes the pa easier to deal with) and it's me, not my child.
[i]Daddy would be so proud. He was a true believer in if life gives you lemons make lemonade[/i]
Gotta run. I really do have to cook dinner. Talk later.

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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] That's guess [i]one[/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
[/b]
???
[b]Whilst Thou Hath Doest Done, I Must Admit Thou Phraseth Horribly Super-convolutedly?[/b]

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Quote:Originally posted by arachide:
[b] ???
[b]Whilst Thou Hath Doest Done, I Must Admit Thou Phraseth Horribly Super-convolutedly?[/b][/b]
Egads!!! Thou doest assumeth incorrectly. Yea, [i]twice[/i] even. :P
PS. Me begins to think a rogue knight doth covet my jar of [i]tangarine sunset[/i] nail enrobement and seeks to part me from it. A gift from [i]the king[/i].

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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] Me think thou doth protest too much. You love every second you are here. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Hypothetically speaking and not intended as a recommendation to anyone at all:
I might take a better liking to it if ya'all painted your nails orange. Every last one of ya.
I gotta go nappy nap before work tonigh. Dinner is cooked.

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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]Me begins to think a rogue knight doth covet my jar of [i]tangarine sunset[/i] nail enrobement and seeks to part me from it. A gift from [i]the king[/i].
[/b]
You came back!
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Finally finished putting on that tangerine nail polish I presume? I hope it is [b]peanut-free[/b] tangerine nail polish [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
What's for dinner? I assume due to your aversion to [b]peanut-free[/b] waffles, it is not [b]peanut-free[/b] waffles.
[This message has been edited by erik (edited May 22, 2003).]

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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]I might take a better liking to it if ya'all painted your nails orange. Every last one of ya.[/b]
Maybe I would have considered it had you suggested violet. However, tangerine is just not my colo[b]u[/b]r.
[i] As Anna Marie stated, please note there are no mis-spellings as I am using Canadian English as well[/i]
wonder when the others (Gail, Cam's Mom, Lisa McD, etc) will return.....
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] In my opinion, the difference is that these other concerns mostly affect the specific person who has them. For example, a student with asthma, diabetes, etc would not die from other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc).
Food allergies are different as a student with an allergy CAN die by other students casually going about their business (eating lunch, etc). [/b]
I think I can understand your point that it's helpful to have a term [b]within the PA community [/b]that indicates that the school has made PA accommodations. The point being that some schools have created PPP and other schools have not. But I would only think that this term would be used within our community because no one else would really need it, right? Is this what you're saying, erik? (It would be ego-centric of our PA community to want all schools take on a label based soley on their peanut status, right? Regardless of how different~ or not different~ PA is from other health issues.)
[b] "Although as I have stated before it deosn't really matter what we call the school as long as it follows the policies desired by the parent (which may include allowing peanut products as I have noticed many parents here at PA.COm have no restrictions preventing their children from eating lunch with other children who may be eating peanut butter and in fact that is the same situation that I had in school)[/b]
I feel obliged to inform you (from experience) that a "parent's desires" only go so far with the school! It's hard to explain, but parents will give up a lot of control when the school establishes protocals. It feels very scary to relinquish decisions (about your child) to the school...let alone when it is not an outcome you would have chosen. I definitely did not want to give up any control or decision making regarding my daughter... but I learned that school policy making is not made with the parent's satisfaction as the sole determinant.
This is the "greater good" that MommaBear has made reference to. It is the "erring on the side of caution". At times I've tried to fight it with the firm (and respectful) opposition of my school nurse. She sticks to PPP. No exceptions. When I didn't like that Mariah sat on the bus by herself because the nurse maintains that her seat needs cleaning, I wanted to [i] relax the protocals [/i]. No way, according to my nurse, we stick to the protocals and find another way to fix it (we did).
So... a parent definitely doesn't always get their [b] desired [/b] cirumstances in the process of establishing standards. But in the end, it really is okay. For parents of children with PA this can be an especially hard concept because we have trained ourselves to become immersed in the details of label reading, etc and [b]controling [/b] what we can to keep our kid safe. Having the ultimate control, the decision making, "taken away" is somewhat necessary in that these are the school's PPP and they own them... even after you leave the school.
Just some random thoughts re erik's comments...
Gail

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BTW, I [b] never [/b] wear nail polish. Ever.
Gail

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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]BTW, I never wear nail polish. Ever.Gail[/b]
Neither do I...
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] I think I can understand your point that it's helpful to have a term within the PA community that indicates that the school has made PA accommodations. [/b]
Yes... it would be helpful to have a term so when sending a PA child to a new school, we will have an idea if they actually have taken precautions or not.
Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]It would be ego-centric of our PA community to want all schools take on a label based soley on their peanut status, right? [/b]
Well... the definition of ego-centric is [i]Confined in attitude or interest to one's own needs or affairs; caring only about oneself; selfish [/i]. In Ontario, students are guaranteed safeguards regarding PA in school settings. There are numerous classrooms labelled with the [i]peanut-free[/i] term and I would not consider the PA parents who have worked hard to establish these classrooms/schools to be thought of as [i]caring only about oneself[/i].
Although I do get your idea - for example, a student with asthma could have a severe reaction should a teacher or student start smoking in the school, so the school has regulations stating it is smoke-free, but do we ever hear anyone talking about the school being a "smoke-free" school?
Personally, I think one reason that so many classrooms in Ontario are labelled as peanut-free is to try to make the reality of this allergy to sink into people's minds. For immigrants with poor English skills, a statemnt such as "peanut-free" is easier to explain than trying to describe the PPP.
But I do understand what you are saying. I never heard of a bee/wasp-free classroom either and these stings can be life-threatening as well.
I guess my question is if a PPP restricts peanuts from a classroom, how are we to communicate that to other parents if we do not use any terms to describe the classroom?
Quote:[originally posted by Gail
[b]It feels very scary to relinquish decisions (about your child) to the school...let alone when it is not an outcome you would have chosen. [/b]
Yes... I think that is part of the process of being a parent. We always have to allow children more independence and it is not easy. Once your kids enter the school, they are out of your control and that can be stressful.
Quote:[originally posted by Gail
[b]She sticks to PPP. No exceptions. When I didn't like that Mariah sat on the bus by herself because the nurse maintains that her seat needs cleaning, I wanted to relax the protocals[/b]
I remember this. Actually, I found it a bit extreme as I do not think anyone would have a reaction sitting on a bus. I have sat on buses all my life and never once wiped down the seat. But as you stated, if that was in your PPP the nurse has no choice but to follow it. She can't choose which rules to follow and which rules to ignore... then it wouldn't mean anything.
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