DD\'s first time testing an EPI

Posted on: Mon, 05/14/2007 - 11:25am
PurpleCat's picture
Joined: 01/28/2006 - 09:00

We had 4 expired EPI pens. DH and I planned on practicing with an orange.

I asked DD (7 years old) if she wanted to try or if she wanted to watch (first time for either) or if she wasn't ready for either. She wanted to try. She tested 2 of them and did an excellent job!

I am proud of her!

Keep Smiling
DD - allergic to peanuts, tree nuts, coconut, and egg

Posted on: Wed, 05/16/2007 - 11:53pm
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Joined: 01/16/2007 - 09:00

Purplecat, That's great!
I have a question of my own concerning this issue and hope you don't mind if I "borrow" your thread?
We have multiple expired epi's and I approached 10yrold dd with testing on an orange as well. She is often away from me now, at school or at a friends house, and I want her to be prepared.
She did not like the idea at all. You could tell she was really freaked out and almost in tears saying she did not want to. This is very different than her normal personality and her reaction took me by surprise. I told her it was important to practice because there quite possibly could come a situation where she may need to self inject. She said if she were actually having a reaction, she would have no problem using it but that she DID NOT want to practice on the orange.
I let it go for the night. I don't want to MAKE her do it but still think it is important she does, KWIM?
What would you do?
10 yo dd- PA,TNA, tests pos to soy, CATS, many environmentals, Asthmatic
5 yo dd- NKA, avoiding nuts
3 yo dd- outgrown milk/soy, avoiding nuts
[This message has been edited by krc (edited May 17, 2007).]

Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2007 - 5:17am
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Joined: 01/28/2006 - 09:00

Funny - that is the reaction I expected from my DD! I was also surprised. No matter how well you know a kid just never know how he or she will react!
Would your DD watch you practice on the orange? - or has she already done that? If she did that, maybe the next time she would want to try too.
Curious what makes her not want to try if she is confident she can self administer.
When we test, we put the orange in a mug so it can not roll and our hands are completely out of the way. No chance of stabbing ourselves.
I don't really know what else to suggest. As our DD is 7, if she did not want to, I was going to drop it and offer again next year.
OK fellow PA Moms - any brilliant ideas???

Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2007 - 5:32am
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First time we practiced (with an expired real epi) with my DS, he saw the size of the needle and was shocked. We had practiced many time with a trainer. I think using the trainer on younger kids is a good idea. Same exact steps - and no freaky needle. Not a bad idea to save that for the real thing -- just depends on the child.
Have a blessed day,

Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2007 - 5:58am
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Joined: 01/16/2007 - 09:00

Quote:Originally posted by PurpleCat:
Curious what makes her not want to try if she is confident she can self administer.
Yes! That's exactly what I worry about. If she won't practice on an orange, would she really use it on herself if need be?
Good idea about the mug. I probably would have just tried to hold the orange steady and stuck my thumb!

Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2007 - 6:06am
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Joined: 01/16/2007 - 09:00

I understand what you are saying. I have wondered if actually seeing the needle will make her more frightened to use but I am a planner and want her to be fully prepared.
We've practiced with the trainer multiple times but really would like for her to actually feel the amount of pressure needed etc...
Seeing what her reaction was to even the suggestion of practicing has me a bit worried about how she would react if she were in a situation where she needed it.

Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2007 - 6:35am
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Joined: 01/03/2002 - 09:00

Dd has been practicing on an orange since the age of 8. She is 12 now. I have always been very matter of fact about things. I pretty much conveyed it as this is no big deal (because it isn`t), it hurts for a few seconds and then it is over. I believe kids pick up on the cues the parents give them. I have always taught her not to be afraid of needles, and make an effort to always bring her if I need a blood test or when I get my yearly flu shot. Even though it is easier to do it when she is in school, I almost always do it after school so she can come. I act like it is no big deal, because really it is just so quick.

Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2007 - 6:49am
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Joined: 01/16/2007 - 09:00

I agree with you.
We are also very matter of fact about needles here. I worked in a ped's office for years giving immunizations and so forth so I realize how important my approach would be.
That's another reason I am so puzzled by dd's reaction.
I'm wondering if I should approach her again or allow her to watch me or just let this go for now??
Like I said, my biggest concern is how she would react if she were in a situation where she needed to self inject.

Posted on: Fri, 05/18/2007 - 2:54am
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Joined: 10/10/2003 - 09:00

FYI,as I just posted in another thread, we practiced the Epipen and Twinject together and the needle on the Twinject is a smaller gage than the Epipen.

Posted on: Fri, 05/18/2007 - 3:14am
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Joined: 04/16/2005 - 09:00

This will not work for most of you, but this was helpful for us. We also practice on grapefruit.
When I had an ana reaction to shellfish, I probably should have administered at work--didn't. Drove home an hour after a few hours of giving benadryl (don't tell me how stupid--I don't remembe being sleepy, though).
At my first recognizable second symptom (okay--nausea should have been teh recognizable second symptom and spaciness, but i didn't see tem as separate, KWIM?), I did administer. I had GI stuff 2 hours after ingestion and treated wtih benadryl, and then once in my community I experienced chest tightness (I was next to the hospital when this happened). DS and DH were nearby and on their way to be with me.
I let DS watch me inject. He counted to 15 and then rubbed my leg at the injection site. I was lucky I could let him do this. I wasn't going to wait any longer, so it was good he was there. But it was very helpful he could see that it was no big deal for me. He could also see how fast it went to work.
We still practice on grapefruit, but he has this very real life experience, and he does know that there may be a time when he has to use the epi on me (with my reactions, I am worried I may lose consciousness).

Posted on: Fri, 05/18/2007 - 10:51am
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Joined: 01/03/2002 - 09:00

Krc, I think you should try to find out why she is freaked out about it. There must be some reason, because if you worked in a peds office, this is all normal to you, so it does seem like she would not be freaked out. Have you asked her why she does not want to practice?
For dd it came up at age 8 when she wanted to go to a sleepover and I told her if she would learn to use an epi she could go. I showed the mom, but it was not a mom who had watched dd before. Anyhow, dd was a pro at it, as she was very motivated. Turned out the mom was having her boyfriend stay also, so I did not allow dd to stay because of that. She was so upset. Anyhow, that is how dd learned and she has been practicing on an orange ever since. We do it maybe 2 or 3 times a year, when something is coming up. Two weeks ago I went out of town and a friend`s mom watched her. I showed the friend`s mom the epi, but she had never watched dd, so I wanted dd to practice also. Dd was fine with it. Things like this come up and I have her practice.
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