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Posted on: Wed, 10/27/2004 - 12:24am
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I think it confuses people particularly me saying that an Almond Cookie is made in a peanut/nut free facility. Perhaps I missed the LARGE print on the front of the package that says it is made from artificial flavouring.
I know that my in-laws would be confused if they saw these cookies.
I am glad it is artificial flavouring but would prefer better labelling on the Front of the package.

Posted on: Wed, 10/27/2004 - 1:23am
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While I agree with everyone who says that it does open up options because the cookies are not really flavoured from almonds, but from apricots and we do need our options, I'm with Codyman on this one. It's too bloody confusing.
In trying to educate family, friends and school re PA (and TNA), it's difficult enough without having to say, but Dare Almond Cookies are okay because the almond comes from an apricot. To me, it's like what?
So, for our family, I simply won't buy the almond cookies (and again, this is with a child that isn't even TNA), but I will buy all of their other ones.
Anna Marie, your post about Chapman's coming out with a "safe" maple walnut ice cream was cute. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] That was my favourite ice cream when I was a kid. But you know what? I don't miss it that much.
Codyman, for me, I think even if it says artificial flavouring (and it's certainly not BOLD), I guess I'm thinking, well do you have to check on a regular basis to make sure that they're always using apricot as the flavour and not an almond derivative.
Also, I'm not about to try to explain to anyone how a cookie that very clearly says ALMOND on the box is okay for me to have in my peanut/tree nut free home. It's too much energy for me and as I've said, too bloody confusing.
I won't buy those, but I will continue to buy the other peanut/nut free cookies Dare has. Quite frankly, I was sick of just being able to buy Mr. Christie's "safe" cookies and I was thrilled that I could buy the Maple Cream cookies a couple of weeks ago.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 10/27/2004 - 7:14am
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Quote:Originally posted by smartalyk:
[b] Agreed! I don't have any problem with them using artificial flavouring as long as it really is peanut and nut free. I probably wouldn't buy the almond cookies, but the others ones are fair game as they really are safe for my son![/b]
I have no problems with artificial extract either, but these cookies list only "almond extract" and "natural flavour" in the ingredients listing (at least they did in August when I checked).
I'm still uneasy about them because of the response I got:
"The Almond Simple Pleasures do use a natural flavour, however, the ingredient has been de-natured, so there is no protein remaining in the
flavour and therefore does not pose a potential risk."
The only info I could find about de-naturing at the time was a study done on hazelnuts, where the de-naturing process stopped reactions in those who had oral allergy syndrome to the nuts, but not in those people who actually had a hazelnut allergy.
Now, I know that someone else here got a reply from Dare stating that the extract was derived from apricot pits, and I know that almonds are from the same family as peaches and apricots.
Does anyone know if this is how artificial almond extract is always made? (My only source of info on this is a really old encyclopedia that states that almond oil is derived from dried ripe kernels of bitter almond, apricot and peach).
I see the point about the peanut butter substitutes, and yes I do use them (but none of these products call themselves "Peanut Butter" and then on the label state that they are made in a peanut free facility - it is clear from the label that these products are not PB, and are in fact substitutes).
Other posters have talked about their confusion with the Dare Almond cookies, and I am in agreement with them. I think it needs to be made clear on the label that this is an artificial flavour and don't see the sense in trying to market a product as being both "nutty" and nut free at the same time.

Posted on: Wed, 10/27/2004 - 2:13pm
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Quote:Originally posted by happycat:
[b] I think it needs to be made clear on the label that this is an artificial flavour and don't see the sense in trying to market a product as being both "nutty" and nut free at the same time.[/b]
Dare has to make money too. Almond cookies may be a big seller for them (even though it is not "real" almonds). If we complain to them too much, maybe they will decide to use real almonds in these cookies and then the facility will no longer be nut-free. If we are too demanding on those few manufacturers who do have nut-free facilities, they may find it is not worth the hassle.
We could ask Dare to remove the nut-free/peanut-free label from them... but
I find it good to know that these cookies are made in a peanut-free/nut-free facility as that allows me to purchase them and eat them knowing they are safe. So I prefer as much info as possible on the label [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 10/27/2004 - 2:59pm
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Here is what the Dare website has to say:
Quote:Q. Are your products safe for someone with peanut and nut allergies?
A. Our candy products are made in peanut and nut-free facilities and some of our crackers and Simple Pleasures cookies are made on dedicated nut-free lines. If you are concerned about peanut allergies, check the package of each product before consumption.
It only says that some of their crackers and cookies are nut-free. I'm not sure what to make of it.
[url="http://www.darefoods.com/English/FAQ/FAQ.html"]http://www.darefoods.com/English/FAQ/FAQ.html[/url]
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M - age 10, nickle allergy
E - age 7, PA, TNA, Egg, Ibuprofen, Aspirin, EA
N - age 5, NKA
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Posted on: Wed, 10/27/2004 - 3:08pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Codyman:
[b]Perhaps I missed the LARGE print on the front of the package that says it is made from artificial flavouring.[/b]
I must be blind! Does it really say this on the front of the box?
In all honesty, if I had noticed this I probably would never had contacted Dare to ask about them. (Still would have wondered why they were making them though).
Erik, yes I agree that "hounding" the company about something like this does not do the food allergic community any good. Dare also forwarded me their allergen policy and they do go to great lengths.
And...
I have tasted the Almond cookies in question (I'm not the allergic one in our family). Trust me. Stick to the Ultimates. Waaay yummier. (But then I've always prefered my cookies when they're loaded with sugar and fat.)

Posted on: Wed, 10/27/2004 - 3:44pm
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Quote:Originally posted by smartalyk:
[b] It only says that some of their crackers and cookies are nut-free. I'm not sure what to make of it.
[/b]
Some Dare products are not made in Dare facilities, but are outsoyrced to other suppliers. for example, the Dare bag of "wine gum" candies has the label "may contain traces of nuts/peanuts" since these are not manufactured in a Dare facility.
It is possible that Dare does have some facilities that use nuts as well (ie: they have expanded in recent years so some of the companies they have purchased may not have nut-free facilities)

Posted on: Thu, 10/28/2004 - 2:49am
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Quote:Originally posted by smartalyk:
[b]It only says that some of their crackers and cookies are nut-free. I'm not sure what to make of it. [/b]
I'm thinking that the website is maybe a little out of date. (They don't show the Ultimate Cremes on there).
Erik is right about the candies too. I called recently about some candies being used in a class project for my son, and was told that the candies manufactured in Canada are made in the nut free facility. I understood this to mean that they import products that may contain nuts/peanuts. I've also noticed a lot of their Juiced Up gummie candies have the may contain warning.
[This message has been edited by happycat (edited October 28, 2004).]

Posted on: Thu, 10/28/2004 - 5:13am
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happycat: No there is no labelling on the front of the package that says it is made from artificial flavouring... but I wish there was.
I also read the ingredients and it did say "almond extract" although when I phoned the company, the lady said it was "artificial flavouring". I haven't followed up any further.

Posted on: Thu, 10/28/2004 - 6:28am
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erik, I understand what you're saying, that we should be thankful that a plant even has a peanut/nut free facility.
For me, as with Codyman, I find it too bloody confusing to try to explain to my PA child, probably even to my DH (and he's not stupid when it comes to PA [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] ), my non-PA daughter definitely and anyone else.
Oh, sorry, Codyman didn't say that she found it bloody confusing to explain to everyone. She just thought it was unclear and sent a mixed message (sorry Codyman, I would have to re-read your posts to get your exact words [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/redface.gif[/img] )
As I posted, I will continue to purchase all of the other Dare cookies made in the peanut/nut free facility (and actually, I don't buy cookies a lot anyway), I won't be complaining to Dare, but I won't be buying that one product.
As far as their candy, it was because of erik posting about Dare having safe jelly beans, ju jubes, etc. and me finally moving to a place where one could actually find these things (Belleville) that my son, at the age of 6 or 7 finally got to try his first jelly bean and ju jube. I am grateful for that.
However, although I won't complain to the company (I understand the semantics involved as erik pointed out), I won't buy them because if I'm confused by the almond cookies, then who wouldn't be (I mean amongst people I know and deal with in *real* life - certainly other members here are less dazed and confused than I am).
I do believe it is different than the different butters that have come out as substitutes or replacements for pb though. You can clearly explain to your PA child that they are eating soybutter or sunbutter (even though I couldn't even deal with the sight of them because they looked too much like pb), but how do you explain to a PA child that this almond cookie just happens to be safe? It's too bothersome IMHO for a bloody cookie.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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