Chicken Pox Vaccine

Posted on: Sat, 09/15/2001 - 11:58pm
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My son is PA,TN and egg allergy. His Rast test to egg is level 1. His Dr. wants him to have the chicken pox vaccine(contains egg proteins) because if he gets it and is on steriods(he is asthmatic) it could be very serious. I am Very nervous about this. I want to make the right decision. He does eat foods with egg ingredients with no reaction, however, he never had scrambled eggs. Oh-- when he was 3 he skin tested about level 3. He is now 5yrs old. Has any egg allergic children gotten the chicken pox vaccine with any reactions???

Posted on: Sun, 09/16/2001 - 5:44am
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My son also has multiple food allergies.
He is not only extremely allergic to
peanuts but also about 7 tree nuts and eggs.
Both of my children had the chicken pox
vaccine about two years ago. My pediatrician
gave me the same reasons; about being on
steroids for an allergic reaction and then
being exposed to the chicken pox at the same
time causes the chicken pox to go "wild",
etc (this discussion arrose right after my
son had a life threatening allergic reaction
-- we think peanut, but it could have been
egg. He was given steroids in the hospital).
My doctor checked into the possibility of
the vaccine containing eggs and he said it
did not. My son had no reaction to it.
But I do want to add something here....
vaccines are quite a heated dispute and I
really recommend that you do some research
on it before you allow them to be given to
your child. It's a *really* tough call....
I struggle with this issue. Both of my
children have had all their baby shots, plus
the chicken pox vaccine. My oldest had her
boosters at age 5. Since all of this, we
got the internet and I have done research
and have read several books from the library
about vaccines. Most disturbing have been
what I have read about the chicken pox
vaccine. I was literally shaking and crying
for *days* after reading it. I was extremely
angry with my pediatrician, and in fact we
have not seen him since because I know if I
see him I'll probably hit him, LOL!
It's been over a year since I read about it and I still find it extremely
difficult to discuss it. Had I known this I surely would not have allowed it to be given to my dear children. Our youngest is 6 and we did not take him in to get his boosters at age 5. We homeschool so we have no issues about being vaccinated for school.
If we ever have anymore children we will not
get them vaccinated (this is backed whole-
heartedly by my husband). Again, this is a
personal decision and I hope I will not be
flamed because of it. I just urge you to
read up on it before you make a final
decision....although this might make the
decision even harder to make. If you care
to read further I will give you the quotes
that were so upsetting to me. If you don't
want to read it then stop here.
This is from the book called The Vaccine
Guide:
"The foistering of the chickenpox vaccine
on the American public qualifies as one of
the great marketing scams of the century.
The idea of preventing chickenpox in healthy
children is ludicrous to the point of
insanity. The selling of this vaccine to
the American public could only be due to an
unequivocal belief that any vaccine is
worthwhile, or the outright avarice of the
pharmaceutical industry. After all, as
reported in The Wall Street Journal, Merck
invested over $5 million in chickenpox
vaccine development. Their sentiments are
aptly expressed by Samuel Katz, Duke
University's pediatrics chariman and head
of the vaccine panel at the National
Academy of Sciences (1985): "Merck isn't
going to make back its investment in that
vaccine by just distributing it to kids with
cancer. They're going to be interested in
pushing for use in the normal population."
The article goes on to say that the vaccine
is not completely reliable; "a vaccine
failure" as they put it, because those that
have been vaccinated may still get the
chicken pox, although possibly more milder.
Also, immunity over a long period of time
has not been determined because the vaccine
has not been tested in large enough trials
for long enough time. The effectiveness of
the vaccine may decrease as the child is
older which could cause the child to get the
chicken pox as an older child or adult when
the complications are more severe.
O.K. here is the bad news (and I quote):
"Two possible long-term effects of the
vaccine are feared by researchers --
herpes-zoster and cancer. Varicella-zoster
virus can be stored in nerve cells after
natural chickenpox infection and cause a
recurrence of infection sometime later in the
person's life. This subsequent infection
is known as herpes zoster or shingles. It
consists of a very painful skin eruption
(the Danish term is "Hell's Fire") which may
persist for several weeks. Varicella
vaccine has caused zoster in normal children.
No one knows the possible effects of latent
vaccine virus stored within the nervous
system. Varicella-zoster may be a cause of
cancer. This association has never been
proven, though varicella-zoster-infected
human cells have transformed mouse cells to
cancerous cells in a laboratory setting and
varicella-zoster virus infected cells
produced cancers when inoculated into
hamsters, which also developed viral anti-bodies. The possible long-term effects of
the herpesvirus vaccine remain unknown.
Mass vaccination of children will be a
monumental experiment. Once again, we are
injecting children with a live virus which
can cause encephalitis and has the ability
to remain latent for an entire lifetime.
This experiment is being conducted on your
children, and the proposed goal is saving
money. Recommendations: Varicella vaccine
has questionable usefulness, and introduces
a persisting live virus into the body, which
has unknown long-term adverse effects. I do
not recommend its use in healthy children
because of these uncertainties. Tampering
with the immune system in order to save
parents and the corporate world's time and
money (parents staying home to care for kids
with the chickenpox) is patently ridiculous.
This is another instance of the vaccine
industry's desire to sell a product that we
do not need." (end of quote).
I do not want this to upset you because I
understand the fear of your child getting
exposed and being on steroids. It is a
scary thought. But...I would have really
appreciated if someone, *anyone*, would have
told me this before we had both of our
children vaccinated. I often wonder now if
they will get cancer sometime in the future,
who knows if or when. It angers me that
this is known by doctors and yet it is
routinely given to children. I'm angry that
my children have been part of an experiment.
Maybe you could share this info with your doctor.
Tracy

Posted on: Sun, 09/16/2001 - 6:47am
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When the chicken pox vaccine became available, the Internet was just becoming available. Not having access to the Internet, I followed my peditrician's advice to have my son (now 6) vaccinated. Before giving him the shot, I read articles in baby magazines and parenting magazines. All had recommended the shot, too. In addition, my father and one of my friends had dealt with an outbreak of shingles earlier that year (stess-induced I believe.) because they had had chicken pox. My father's case was bearable but my friend's case made her miserable. I didn't want my son to have to have that misery and one of the benefits I was told in giving the chicken pox vaccine was in preventing shingles.
Now, we have access to the Internet. And more years of research behind our belts. My youngest son has multiple allergies and I was researching about giving him the chicken pox vaccine as his peditrician..a different practice and different doctor than son #1's..recommended the shot.
I cried when I read what I read on the Internet. Granted, you can't believe everything you read. But as a parent, you cringe to think that something that was in your control (such as a vaccine) that you thought you had done your research on and that you were doing your best to protect your child could now potentially harm your child in the longrun.
I will still give my children their mandatory vaccinations. But with son #2 I am not giving him the chicken pox vaccine for two reasons. One, I had read that the vaccine has MSG in it (he's very allergic to gluten) but I have not been able to confirm that. And two, my husband and I would like to try to have another baby and from what I read, a pregnant mother should not have any exposure to a child that has had the chicken pox vaccine.
Vaccination is a tough and touchy subject. I do believe it has its merits. Just think about all the diseases that have been kept under tab because people do vaccinate. In fact, our newspaper just ran an article about how adults (whose own immunity is wearing off from not having a booster) are getting the whooping cough from people who had not been vaccinated for the disease.
Since chicken pox is not a mandatory vaccine, it is one that you certainly should research and give according to your comfort level. Good luck. Warmly, Julie B.

Posted on: Sun, 09/16/2001 - 11:27am
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Julie: Could you please elaborate any more
on what you meant by a pregnant woman not
being exposed to a child who has had the
chicken pox vaccine? Surely you must mean
a pregnant woman near a child who was just
*recently* vaccinated, correct? I feel the
same way as you do about it. I feel like
I allowed my children to be injected with
something that might kill them. We all know
how scary it is when you children get their
shots and you watch them like a hawk to see
if something terrible will happen. They
get a little fever and are sleepy but they
are fine. What about years down the road?
It's just terrible to think about. And then
you think: 'Well...my husband and I both
had all our shots, so did all the kids in
my family and his family, etc. And...we are
all fine'. And then you remember that none of us ever had the chicken pox vaccine.
O.K....now that I'm depressed again I will end this message.
Take Care!
Tracy
[This message has been edited by ihatepeanuts (edited September 16, 2001).]

Posted on: Sun, 09/16/2001 - 3:59pm
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My PA son who is also allergic to eggs had the vaccine. He had no reaction. I'm pretty sure in Michigan, the state we lived in when he recieved it, it was a requirement for entering kindergarten.

Posted on: Sun, 09/16/2001 - 10:34pm
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The chicken pox vaccine is becoming a requirement in most (if not all) states for children entering school born after a certain date. For now we are holding off on it. As for what was posted above about the vaccine causing shingles and possibly cancer - I will say this. It has long been known that varicella can reinfest itself later as shingles. Therefor it would only make since that once immune to chicken pox you would be in the same boat. As for cancer, that's saying that anyone who has ever had chicken pox is at an increased risk of cancer if they develop shingles. So that's really not saying much either - in my book. As for anyone wondering why we aren't vaccinating right now - it's because we are still trying to sort his allergies out.

Posted on: Sun, 09/16/2001 - 10:36pm
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I almost forgot... if you want an ingredient list for the vaccines and the culture media etc... it's available from the CDC at
[url="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/VaxCont.pdf"]http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/VaxCont.pdf[/url]

Posted on: Mon, 09/17/2001 - 1:01am
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Hi Blackmoss:
I just wanted to say that I didn't think
they were saying that if you had chicken
pox and then got shingles that you were at
risk for getting cancer. I was assuming
that what all was in the vaccine itself could
be carcinogenic. There is so much junk in
vaccines, like formaldehyde, mercury, etc that could cause things like cancer. I
wanted to read what you posted about the ingredients but my computer is telling me I have to download something to a disk before viewing and I am not real familiar with computers to know if I want to do that.
To everyone else: My doctor also said that
it was becoming a routine to give the shot
to all children. It was also interesting
that about a year ago a nurse left a
message on our answering machine saying I
needed to call back to schedule my son for
his flu shot. Is this now becoming routine
too....for a 5 year old to get a flu shot??
I thought that was weird. Needless to say,
I never called and he won't be getting one.
Tracy

Posted on: Mon, 09/17/2001 - 1:06am
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Hi Blackmoss:
I just wanted to say that I didn't think
they were saying that if you had chicken
pox and then got shingles that you were at
risk for getting cancer. I was assuming
that what all was in the vaccine itself could
be carcinogenic. There is so much junk in
vaccines, like formaldehyde, mercury, etc that could cause things like cancer. I
wanted to read what you posted about the ingredients but my computer is telling me I have to download something to a disk before viewing and I am not real familiar with computers to know if I want to do that.
To everyone else: My doctor also said that
it was becoming a routine to give the shot
to all children. It was also interesting
that about a year ago a nurse left a
message on our answering machine saying I
needed to call back to schedule my son for
his flu shot. Is this now becoming routine
too....for a 5 year old to get a flu shot??
I thought that was weird. Needless to say,
I never called and he won't be getting one.
Tracy

Posted on: Mon, 09/17/2001 - 1:10am
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I don't think I misread anything...
Straight from the post...
..."Varicella-zoster may be a cause of
cancer..."
Varicella zoster is the cause of chicken pox, shingles, and other such things. Therefore if it may be a cause of cancer (gee, I think everything on earth these days "may" be a cause of cancer - sorry to be synical I am just a little tired of the "may be a cause of cancer" line) then anyone who has ever had chicken pox or the like in the same boat as those who have had the vaccine. Sorry that doesn't hold much water for me. They were not referring to additives and stuff in vaccines. They were referring to the virus itself!

Posted on: Mon, 09/17/2001 - 1:10am
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Oh Rats!!! I don't know how the double
post happened. I can't figure out how to
delete the second one. Sorry everyone!!
Tracy

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