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Posted on: Wed, 03/08/2006 - 3:10am
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I'm not even sure if the program is offered to all income brackets either. Or if it is, if it is offered at variable rates.

Posted on: Wed, 03/08/2006 - 5:32am
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Quote:Originally posted by Christabelle:
[b]In my school they serve PB&J as the alternate option EVERY DAY.[/b]
Ours too [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 03/08/2006 - 6:38am
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In my school they serve PB&J as the alternate option EVERY DAY.
Tell them to stop it!

Posted on: Wed, 03/08/2006 - 6:49am
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See, in some quarters... "ask them to stop it" = "BAN." [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
FAAN doesn't support that. False sense of security and all.
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Posted on: Wed, 03/08/2006 - 9:44am
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Quote:Originally posted by samirosenjacken:
[b]While they may not advocate for individuals, I do believe they advocate for the cause. [/b]
Would you please explain to me how FAAN's anti-ban stance advocates for "the cause"? That's where I have trouble with FAAN. I pose this as a sincere question to which I genuinely hope you will respond: How does proclaiming an anti-ban position (an unfounded, unstudied claim) "advocate" for the cause of food allergies?
FAAN is not neutral on the topic of banning. FAAN is very vocal about opposing bans. There are many, many newspaper articles, magazine articles and journal articles (some that Ann M-F has authored herself) in which FAAN claims that "bans don't work". They used one very limited study to support this claim, which FAAN later removed from its website due to the criticism of the study. However, FAAN continued to state "bans don't work" while not producing any data nor evidence that substantiates this assertion. [i] Nada. [/i] With no evidence, and without studying the ways in which some schools HAVE successfully banned peanuts, they still continue to assert the "bans don't work". By making this unsubstantiated claim, FAAN undermines the child's parent and the child's physician determining what is in the best interest of that child.
Like you, I *personally* don't want a "ban" at my daughter's school. But food is still very monitored and restricted. (For example, we had "FOOD free" classrooms at our elementary school. ) Currently we essentially have a "partial ban" at the Middle School.
But because *I* don't feel a full ban is necessary for *my child* does that make me opposed to bans for *everyone's* PA child? Of course not.
I think it's inappropriate for FAAN to make claims regarding bans without providing the evidence substantiating the claim. I wish FAAN would stop making "anti-ban" statements and make statements "advocating" that decisions regarding food restrictions in school should be made on an individual basis with the input of the child's parent(s) and the child's physician.
[This message has been edited by Gail W (edited March 08, 2006).]

Posted on: Wed, 03/08/2006 - 10:14pm
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But yes, it sounds very nice that you live where there is a cafeteria providing food on a daily basis and that tries to limit nuts and peanut. And where the vast majority of people can afford to purchase such. Or am I hearing you wrong? Please correct me if I am. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Well, where you live could be where I live. IN fact, I wondered if you did live in my town. We have the same situation here with the growing population. Where my DD's go to school is the 5th elementary school to be built in the district with plans to build yet another. We've just added a 2nd kindergarten center and there is building for a 3rd middle school and a 2nd high school. Homes pretty much value from the low 200's to million plus.
That said, I don't find buyng lunch that bad. I think it's $1.25 a day or something. I know some kids buy every day where others pack every day. But, yes they offer lunches every single day at our elementary schools and above.. a hot lunch choice and a cold lunch choice plus fruit and milk. Does that answer your question I hope??

Posted on: Wed, 03/08/2006 - 10:18pm
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] Do you consider this a "ban"?[/b]
Hmm... I don't think I would consider them not selling pb stuff and "may contains" a ban because it was their choice not my request.
I think how it played out was simply because of education to be totally honest. The school was brand new. My daughter was entering in her 2nd year. I talked extensively with the nurse and principal. They came to the decision it was just better sense all around to pick items that didn't have nuts or peanuts. They made the choices from their vendor. I don't know if other schools in the district do the same but I think they might. So the choice to buy other foods was theirs.. not mine. They still serve cookies and ice cream etc.. yesterday they had a bake sale with peanuts galore right in the cafeteria.. The nurse stood guard by the table, I went in to sit with my 7yr for lunch and her classmates were instructed if they bought anything they couldn't sit at the peanut free table and they needed to wash their hands with soap and water immediately. All first graders did as told and Sam didn't even get a hive!! That was a big shocker!

Posted on: Wed, 03/08/2006 - 10:28pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Would you please explain to me how FAAN's anti-ban stance advocates for "the cause"? That's where I have trouble with FAAN. I pose this as a sincere question to which I genuinely hope you will respond: How does proclaiming an anti-ban position (an unfounded, unstudied claim) "advocate" for the cause of food allergies?
I don't actually see how FAAN could advocate for a ban for food allergies. How on earth are you going to ban every allergen? Yes, peanuts are more prevelant yada yada.. but I know a little girl who could die if milk was splashed on her or if she ate an egg or a piece of shrimp. So how can we ban milk from the schools? Do we tell kids they can only have water or juice at lunch? What about the child allergic to red dye? Do we wipe out all red dye? Then the poor child who is allergic to wheat or soy or eggs... how can FAAN support a ban for one allergen without supporting a ban for all??
Personally, I just can't see how it would work. I also don't know what they would base their decision on. Many here have said that their children fall "outside" the norm with their reactions. So they want FAAN to support a ban based on these kids. AS a mother, I understand that thought. Logically, I just don't know how they would take a stand on that. I know they support peanut free tables. I know they support "reasonable accomodations." I guess I don't see them as "anti ban" but I don't see them as "pro ban" either. Personally, I think every parent needs to make their own decisions for their own kids based on their own needs.
[This message has been edited by Gail W (edited March 08, 2006).][/b]

Posted on: Thu, 03/09/2006 - 12:01am
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Quote:Originally posted by samirosenjacken:
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[quote][b]Well, where you live could be where I live. IN fact, I wondered if you did live in my town. We have the same situation here with the growing population. Where my DD's go to school is the 5th elementary school to be built in the district with plans to build yet another. We've just added a 2nd kindergarten center and there is building for a 3rd middle school and a 2nd high school. Homes pretty much value from the low 200's to million plus.[/b]
I live in a Chicagoland suburb. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img] But hey, we're looking to move south.....NC? Wonder how much you get for your housing dollar there? It's not alot here. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] I mean, I could very well live in a "million plus" home and not feel like it was indulgent. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
We'll soon have four High-Schools in this suburban district and yes, they probably will soon announce yet another elementary school(s). But I digress.
1.25 a day. (I remember paying that when *I* was a child for Hot Lunch--here--where I live.) I'm thinking it would be more like $3 or $4 or $5 per individual here, depending on the type of offering. And if they "shop" from selections??? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] But I could be wrong. Is your lunch program subsidized? Treat day here costs around a dollar, (either an ice cream bar, donut, etc...) and the "Hot lunch" offering" once a month around three. That, for instance consists of a "hamburger, juice box, chips". [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Quote:[b]That said, I don't find buyng lunch that bad. I think it's $1.25 a day or something. I know some kids buy every day where others pack every day. But, yes they offer lunches every single day at our elementary schools and above.. a hot lunch choice and a cold lunch choice plus fruit and milk. Does that answer your question I hope??[/b]
[b]a $1.25 a day. [/b] Around 25 dollars per month? per child? For me, that would be 50 dollars per month. And someday, 75 dollars per month. That's a lot for some people. Sure it costs to buy "bag lunch" items for home, but that can be modified day to day. I mean, there's always something I can hook my child up with that he likes. Even when I'm short the funds. For instance, the last four days I've been penniless. In my pocket, I mean. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I'm waiting for payday. I have an eight a tank of gas. If that. (Just finished paying the heating bill, missed a lot of work last pay period home with two sick children (one home for a week, the other home for a week + prescriptions---oh, ____, just cost of living in general. It's feast or famine around here. There's always something.) But I've had plenty on hand for lunches. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I generally buy the "buy one get one free" items. Would have to see what they offer and the price. But I'm guessing "1.25" might not be my cost, or that what's offerred might not be as good as what I can pack. Nutritionally, or otherwise. And remember, I have two picky eaters. An apple, is not an apple, is not an apple. It has to be a [i]certain apple[/i]. I mean, in spite of the new "guidelines" (translate=non-mandatory?) in the "Local Wellness Policies".
And when the vending machines come into play, I'll probably have to start sending him with some cash. I mean, bottled water in the teacher's lounge is 1.25 per bottle. So, I'm guessing that the pricing may be similiar. I send water from home, but who knows what might be offerred to an ever hungry, growing child?
I don't doubt for a minute there might be others who find themselves in a similiar situation. I've never had it in me to demand of others what they might send in their child's lunch. But *I* wouldn't be counting on a "lunch program" to offer me solution. KWIM?
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[b]Gail[/b]: Could you share around how much "lunch" from Chartwells was costing per student?
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~no advice. just wondering.

Posted on: Thu, 03/09/2006 - 12:04am
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Quote:Originally posted by samirosenjacken:
[b]
Hmm... I don't think I would consider them not selling pb stuff and "may contains" a ban because it was their choice not my request.
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are those items [i]allowed on the menu[/i]? Or is this a "silent ban", a "ban by exclusion". [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

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