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dil has been having some problems with breastfeeding her baby so she decided to go into a breastfeeding clinic.

One of her concerns was that the baby seems to have a lot of painful gas and she thought maybe it's something she's eating. They told her that what she eats wouldn't affect the baby.

I am not one of the people that thinks every pregnant or nursing mother should completely eliminate peanut from their diet. I do think anything eaten, should be eaten in moderation. And, I think if you find that eating any specific food seems to have a negative affect on your baby (gas, rash, whatever) you should eliminate that food. I couldn't believe that a breastfeeding clinic would say that what you eat wouldn't affect the baby. She wasn't asking about allergies - but this answer seems to negate that as a risk.

On Jan 5, 2006

The clinic is wrong. Often babies are lactose sensitive, or react to something in the mothers diet...this is a known thing in the breastfeeding community! Have her try eliminating all milk from her diet. Also, tomatos and cheese can also cause infant discomfort. My daughter was very "colicky" until my wonderful lactation consultant had me eliminate things from my diet. Your dil needs lots of positive encouragement, but after about a week she may see a change! Some women think their baby is "allergic to my milk" when really they are reacting to things in the mother's milk that are easy to eliminate. Hope this helps.

------------------ mom to Ari(5) - severe nut allergies, asthma, you name it - and Maya (8), mild excema

On Jan 5, 2006

Anna Marie, first of all kudos to your DIL for not giving up and actually seeing a consultant (for what it was worth [img][/img] ).

With Jess, who I breastfed for five months, he was an extremely colicky baby. I can't remember that far back, but it never dawned on me to check with anyone that it *could* be something I was eating (I was not eating peanuts or pb - but I do remember a lot of hot olives and other spicy foods).

As soon as I stopped breastfeeding and using formula, he stopped being colicky. So, I can only assume, from my experience, that it was something that was in my breast milk that he didn't care for or his stomach didn't care for.

Looking back ten years, it's easy to say that I wish I had thought to seek some kind of help and also be told that what I was eating could be affecting the baby and making him colicky.

As I say, I don't know exactly "what" it was he didn't like about my milk, and it's 10 years later, but there was something or else he wouldn't have been fine as soon as he switched to formula. Also, my daughter, who I only breastfed for three weeks, she wasn't colicky at all.

I find it sad that she did ask for help and was told what she was told. [img][/img]

Best wishes! [img][/img]

------------------ "That was Polanski. Nicholson got his nose cut."

On Jan 5, 2006

In most respects the clinic did help her. She went in with several concerns. She thought the baby wasn't getting enough milk, so they weighed him. (His new nickname is Porker [img][/img] ) She was concerned about a possible infection because of pain she is feeling. They explained that she's using muscles that are not accustomed to being used - it will take time but the pain should get less and less.

And she also told me that seeing other people that were having a much harder time then her helped to. (misery loves company?) It made her see that she isn't some useless stupid person that can't even nurse her baby. Lots of people have problems. Kind of gave her a bit of confidence.


I will have to be careful how and when I speak to dil. Right now we are getting along well - but it can turn quickly. And let's be honest would most people here feel if their mil told them to ignore the experts because she knew better. Wait - that's how a lot of mil's do talk, don't they? So, I have to be careful. However, I will point out to her that her older son could not tolerate milk until he was almost 2. (Doctor called it an allergy but never actually did any tests.) And this recent pregnancy, she could not eat tomato for nearly 7 months. It made her very ill. Didn't think about that until I read your post that'smetrying. Maybe she's eating a lot more of it now that she can - and even if it's not an allergy or intolerance, it might just be to much.

On Jan 5, 2006

I have read/heard, etc... that cows milk products and cruciferous(cabbage, broccoli, etc) veggies can be tough on nursing babies. But it could be anything, and it is very overwhelming with a new baby and allergy concerns trying to figure it all out. I have also found that the LC community *in general* does not specialize in allergy issues, but in latch, and intake issues. I had wonderful help for that sort of problem. But, really, had to figure out the food sensetivites on my own.

She could try simplifying her diet to a few things that are well rounded, and adding things once a week or so. I think I did that with ds. Stuck to chicken and rice and salad or some green veggie, and cereal, and rice milk. Blech. Gradually added in things I liked and watched ds's skin.

In avoiding all dairy, I did realize he got *very gassy* when I ate soy! I mean, like an outboard motor! No complaints, just alot of noise, LOL. It was kinda funny, since he was not fussy at the time. But I got the soy out of my diet too! Good luck! He was supplemented with an hypoallergic formula. Ready mixed. The corn in the powders seemed to also really give him gas. He eats most anything now and has no known allergies. But we keep him off eggs(slowly dabbling) and nuts and shellfish. He turns 2 tomorrow!

I was a big breastfeeding promotor in the old days, lol. But the food allergy journey has me thinking its not "all that." I mean, being a tired new mom, its hard enough to grab a bite you like, and overwhleming to fix stuff that is unappetizing or not what you like. Then keeping track, never sleeping. Best to have a happy and healthy mommy, whatever it takes is now my motto. becca

On Jan 5, 2006

I didn't think there was much muscle there. The pain I had with my second child turned ot to be a breast infection. Very painful. When it happened with my third, I told DH that he wasn't going to work that morning, as I was going to the doctor! Not wasting any time!

I had been nursing and bottle-supplementing my third child, right from birth. The boy just wouldn't eat. He ended up drinking soy formula for 2 1/2 years, as milk (and mom) just didn't agree with him.

On Jan 5, 2006

My daughter was very miserable in the evenings. Cried and cried and couldn't be consoled. My ped told me to eliminate dairy. It took about a week until I saw major improvements. Like a completely different baby. They told me it could be the milk protein or lactose. I tried lactaid and other low lactose dairy products but she still had trouble. My absolutely wonderful lactation consultant suggested I try dairy again when my daughter was 4 months. Apparently at 4 months, the gut matures (although not fully until 2 years) and can handle more. She was right. I tried dairy again when my daughter was about 4 1/2 months - no problems.

On Jan 5, 2006

MILICON DROPS!!!!!!!!!! (simethicone is the generic name) --- otherwise known as gas drops!!!! We cut out lots of stuff when I breast fed --- but to help the gas, these things are worth every overpriced penny!!!! Buy some for your DIL -- she can ask her pediatrician about them -- we always got ours at Longs, and even generic they're about $10 a bottle. Anyone who has a baby should have these -- in fact, they should be put in those give away bags they give you at the hospital filled with all sorts of samples.

On Jan 5, 2006

Ahem. Tell that clinic that if I had so much as a teaspoon of milk in my tea DS's diapers ended up full of blood and mucous (sorry, I know - TMI!). And if I had more than a sip of OJ he had wicked diarrhea for days.

No effect, my foot.


On Jan 5, 2006

AnneMarie, Breastfeeding, if done correctly, should not be painful. Your dil may have mastisis -- infection of the breast, or the baby's latch may be incorrect. There are no "muscles" in the breast. Can she call La Leche League or a board certified lactation consultant? I think the info she is getting at the clinic is incorrect...where is this clinic located?

------------------ mom to Ari(5) - severe nut allergies, asthma, you name it - and Maya (8), mild excema

On Jan 6, 2006

She went to a doctor thinking there was an infection and was told no. At the clinic they also said no infection.

I'm not sure exactly where the pain is - but apparently they feel it is caused by the way the baby insists on being held. She has tried various ways of having pillows etc. to help support the babies weight, but (like my kids) he has picked a comfie position and won't eat in other ways. She's stuck supporting full weight.

The clinic is associated with the hospital the baby was born at.

The baby is latched on properly. That was the first thing I thought of too - and so when I was visiting I checked.

On Jan 6, 2006

Look up the "My Breast Friend" breast feeding pillow. It worked the best of all the combinations of pillows I tried. Once you get it strapped around your body, you can also get up and walk around a bit, you know if you need to go grab something, or move around - change seats, whatever. I'll try to find a link to show what I'm talking about -- they run about $35. (I also had mastitis -- there is really no mistaking that!)

On Jan 6, 2006

Here, try this link:


This is what I used -- saved me! Also, the book that I used, and had the best info (I think), is, "The Nursing Mother's Companion" by Kathleen Huggins. I found it to be spot on -- incredibly helpful.

On Jan 6, 2006

Wait a minute! Hold it right there... [img][/img] !

What a breastfeeding mother eats doesn't have an affect on the baby???

Aside from a peanut allergy, I can tell you it DOES matter. Having done long-term breastfeed with all four kids, three exclusively for 5-6 months, there were things I just couldn't eat or else we'd have a VERY cranky, gassy, baby. Broccoli, onions, eggs, and beans. Those four were throw me into a tailspin because of a fussy baby. If I avoided those four things, my babies were basically angels--virtually no colicky periods with little fussiness or gas.

If I heard that coming from a breastfeeding educator, I would promptly ask them how an exclusively breastfed baby could develop severe eczema. It has to come from *somewhere*, doesn't it? And for that matter, why is an otherwise very healthy (PA) baby born with a rash in which a blood infection was wrongly suspected. Hmmm...a baby born soon after Halloween with his mother eating too many Snicker's and Reese's anxiously awaiting the birth of her only PA child.

Caught me at the wrong time. [img][/img] I'll get off my soapbox.

On Jan 6, 2006

No need to get off that soapbox. Just make sure it's a big one - I think you might have company on it. [img][/img] I don't suspect allergies in my grandson - but I just can't believe *experts* are giving such outlandish information.

gvmom, that pillow looks great. I'll let her see it, and see if she's interested.

With her first baby she was very uncomfortable with the entire idea of breast feeding. (I don't understand how a 15 year old girl who's embarrassed of her body gets pregnant. Very confusing to me.) This time, she's much more comfortable and is really trying to make it work. I do think her big hurdle is over. She was so worried that he wasn't getting enough milk, but getting him weighed proved that he is.