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Posted on: Sat, 02/10/2001 - 1:34pm
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Amy Frankel - I am really shocked that Dr. Sampson seems to have found preliminary evidence that mothers with severe and multiple allergies shouldn't breastfeed because they'll pass along their "abnormal immune response" to their babies!
To me, it seems that the fetus has genetic material from both parents that will determine an allergic tendency. PLUS, the fetus is living inside the mother for 40 weeks - wouldn't this be considered plenty of time for allergens to be passed via the placenta?
I don't think breastfeeding causes PA - it's already there - but eating peanut products may trigger it. Mothers should NOT beat themselves up about consuming peanut products, because there is NO WAY TO KNOW which child will react! Yes, avoidance can be advised when there is a family tendency to allergy - otherwise, we just take our chances. 100 mothers breastfeeding 100 babies - between 2 and 5 of those babies will develop PA. The odds are slim.
Breastmilk is wonderful food for babies! This "perfect" food shouldn't be viewed as something that can pass along an "abnormal immune system". Talk about guilt! I hope Dr. Sampson researches this more and releases his findings ASAP. I could go on, but I fear my post will denigrate to a rant, if it hasn't already...

Posted on: Sat, 02/10/2001 - 3:53pm
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Cayley's Mom, I already started to go into rant mode if it makes you feel any better. I also think what you had to say is extremely valid.
I also wanted to add, however, that yes, I agree that our doctors/ob/gyn's should be advising us to avoid peanut products during pregnancy and breastfeeding and that we should also be warned by pediatricians (?) not to introduce this product until the age of 3 or better 5.
I'm just wondering if this same attitude is held towards other food allergies. If you drank a lot of milk during pregnancy is your child more likely to be allergic to milk? If you ate a lot of eggs during pregnancy is your child more likely to be allergic to eggs? You get my drift. Jesse should actually be allergic to highly spiced olives and hot salsa!
I agree, doctors should be warning their pregnant patients. But I really resent the "blame the mother" attitude and again will argue that perhaps it could have been something that was passed from the Father's sperm. Did the Father eat a lot of peanut products when conceiving the PA child?
And I totally agree with Cayley's Mom in response to Amy's post. Did anyone tell any of us that had a lot of allergies (if not food ones) that we should not breastfeed?
And again, as mentioned, surely, the 40 weeks the child spends in our body is long enough for them to absorb part of our abnormal immune systems!
My soul!
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Posted on: Sat, 02/10/2001 - 11:30pm
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Was my post misinterpreted as a "blame the mother" approach to this topic?? If yes - so sorry, That is not at all what I was saying. It was a "blame government, food processing, society etc." thing. Everyone who adds weird stuff to our food and our air and our water and everything we come into contact with, which doesn't give us much choice in what to eat. Not to mention the government that we trust to govern these things so that our country/world is a better, healthier place. Sorry.

Posted on: Sun, 02/11/2001 - 12:12am
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Merri-Kim, no, I wasn't taking YOUR post as a "blame the mother" post. I actually tend to agree with your theory about the environment and allergies. I'm not able to say it as well so when I do put it down, it comes across as a rather whacko theory. I just believe that we have destroyed the earth to the point where are bodies are no longer able to live on it. We are showing up with weakened immune systems with increased allergies, asthma, and a litany of other things because of what we have done to the environment. I don't know if that makes any sense at all, but, actually, it is basically what you're saying.
No, it definitely was not your post that was taken that way. I'm sorry you felt that it was. It was not my intention. I agree with you!
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Posted on: Sun, 02/11/2001 - 1:11am
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Merri-Kim - Sorry if my post seemed directed at you. It wasn't intended to be directed to any of the posters on this thread in a negative way. I just take issue with the subject of penalizing mothers with allergies who want to have the experience of breastfeeding their babies.
In fact, I agree with your post. The immune system is still a largely unexplored area in medicine - indeed, who knows what long term havoc we're wreaking on it with pesticides, antibiotics, herbal remedies and food preservatives. My "rant" was just a rant, not to be taken personally in any way. Sorry if you got that impression. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Sun, 02/11/2001 - 5:50am
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Cayley's Mom, now we just need Merri-Kim in here to see that we both apologized to her and weren't directing our rants against her.
I completely understood where you were coming from and didn't see your post as directed at anyone and hopefully you can see the same in mine.
I actually have a question popping into my head over this one, Did Your Partner Eat a Lot of Peanut Products While Conceiving Your PA Child?
I do understand that we, as Mothers, can exercise some caution over what we ingest, but from my experience alone, I know that Jesse didn't get PA because I ate peanut products while pregnant or nursing. We have explored this particular issue to no end and I really feel that a lot of Mothers are blaming themselves for their child's PA.
Then, to have a well respected doctor in this field blame it on us passing on our weakened immune systems, well! He might as well tell what percentage of the population not to breastfeed at all. And yet, anything that I had read reinforced that it was positive to breastfeed and that it built up your child's immune system. It didn't mention that you had to have a great immune system yourself first before breastfeeding or my soul, I never would have bothered!
Merri-Kim, I hope you see both my post and Cayley's Mom's post. I think you'll find that we both agree with your theory and that we certainly weren't saying anything against you. Also, as someone new to the board, please try to remember that when things do seem directed to you personally, a lot of the time, and actually most of the time, they're not. It's something that happens in cyberspace that leads us to believe things are directed at us that aren't. Believe me, I have learned the hard way from being on this board, but I also know that when I do want to post something in response to what someone else has said, I will actually use their UserName in my post so that they do know, as I did in my apology to you above.
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Posted on: Sun, 02/11/2001 - 7:02am
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Cindy and Cayley's mom - No worries! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I wasn't offended - I just wanted to make sure that no one else was! Thanks for your posts anyways! Kim.

Posted on: Sun, 02/11/2001 - 7:25am
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I was also very upset at Dr. Sampson's preliminary news about breastfeeding and allergies - and I certainly hope it is proved incorrect. I'm obviously a big breastfeeding advocate - I nursed for 2 and 21/2 years respectively, and worked for a lactation service! But it will be interesting to see if (heaven forbid) it is proven correct, if that info will be passed on, just as nobody cautioned any of us about eating peanuts and nuts during pregnancy or breastfeeding. Sometimes in matters of health it seems like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing!
Amy

Posted on: Sun, 02/11/2001 - 9:12am
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Going Nuts, I totally agree with you. We have been made to feel, especially in recent years, that you should breastfeed or that you weren't being a good Mother. And, if you read about breastfeeding you read about all of the benefits for the breastfed child. But, no where, in any literature does it say, (or I should say, any literature that I was given or read) that women with allergies shouldn't breastfeed.
I thought by breastfeeding (and even though it was a short time with Jesse) that I was perhaps helping him to not be as allergic to things in life as I was. Well, obviously, wrong!
I really believe this information should get out there - if you have allergies or a family history of allergies, don't even bother breastfeeding as you are putting your child at more risk instead of supposedly lessening it.
I just wonder how many of us actually have family histories on both sides with absolutely no allergies and therefore would qualify as "normal" immune system breastfeeders.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Tue, 02/13/2001 - 12:54am
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whoever posted about dr. sampson's so called remark at the FAN conference should come back and actually list some reference sites where we can actually see that he said that. I think the poster must have misunderstood his remarks as my daughter has been a patient of one of his partners for quite some time and have heard the EXACT opposite. That there has been NO study that shows a mother with a predisposition for allergies should not breastfeed. HOGWASH to that!
However, I would think he may have remarked that there have been studies that MAY indicate that an allergic mother should be wary of her food intake when nursing due to the proteins being passed in the breastmilk NOT the faulty immune properties being passed in breastmilk, that doesn't actually make much biological sense!

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