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Posted on: Sun, 10/01/2006 - 12:41pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Going Nuts:
[b] Same here, from Haagen Dazs. Once burned, twice shy - KWIM?
Amy[/b]
I feel the same way. Dd also had a reaction to ice cream on shared equipment and not stated. She had eaten it hundreds of times without problems. I called the manufacturer and he insisted that their cleaning was so good that it was impossible to have any residue. Her allergist said that due to the cracks and crevices in the equipment, even after a long thorough cleaning a fraction of a peanut can get stuck in a crevice and released many batches later. He said that what probably what happened with her. That is why may contains are so risky, because you can eat them hundreds of times with no problems until the time that the fraction of a peanut gets released. He said that is why testing of the product doesn`t help---99.99% of the time it can be free of peanut residue except for that one bite with the fraction of a peanut. He also said that the limit of detection of the test is higher than the amount of peanut that it takes to cause a reaction in a very allergic person. There is no test that can detect an amount that low. Dd is allergic to milk, so it was actually soy ice cream that this happened with. I told the manufacturer that he should put on a "may contain" so that consumers can make an informed decision. He said his cleaning was so good that he didn`t need to. I emailed Dr. Hugh Sampson and asked if he thought that lengthy thorough cleaning would eliminate all peanut residue. Dr. Sampson said no, it doesn`t, and any time there is shared equipment there is risk no matter what the cleaning process is. He also said the the testing has a limit of detection higher than the amount that can cause an allergic reaction, and that the testing is usually random. They don`t test every batch. He said that in all cases if the equipment is shared the manufacturer should put on a may contain. I forwarded the email from Dr. Sampson to the manufacturer who finally agreed to put a warning on their website.
From reading this board it does seem like Ben and Jerry`s has better cleaning than other ice cream companies. But based on my emails from Dr. Sampson, I would be afraid to try Ben and Jerry`s because of concern that a peanut fragment would be stuck in a crack even with cleaning.

Posted on: Sun, 10/01/2006 - 1:05pm
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I think whether you choose to serve Ben & Jerry's to your PA child or not, you can agree that the fact that the manager of the store took such care in light of this child's allergy is something to be commended. To give a child whose parent's feel comfortable with the manufacturing the opportunity to do what other non PA kids do without a second thought.

Posted on: Sun, 10/01/2006 - 2:24am
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Ditto! There's a Ben & Jerry's in downtown Charleston, South Carolina that did the same for me. First ice cream I'd had in an icecream store since PA diagnosis.
I'll be back in Charleston next February, and will make a beeline for the Ben & Jerry's!
I'm happy for your DS. What a wonderful 'normal' treat!

Posted on: Sun, 10/01/2006 - 2:49am
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Is Ben and Jerry`s no longer on shared equipment with peanuts? The last time I checked about a year ago it was on shared equipment. Has that changed? My son would love to try ice cream that is not made by me.

Posted on: Sun, 10/01/2006 - 3:44am
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I believe it is still made on the same line. However, Ben & Jerry's seems like a very allergy-aware company, and they do wash the equipment between runs. Many people here trust them, others do not.

Posted on: Sun, 10/01/2006 - 4:16am
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Oh, then I guess it is not an option for us. My son has had reactions to items on shared equipment and not stated. I don`t want that to happen again.

Posted on: Sun, 10/01/2006 - 5:11am
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Marizona, I definitely understand your viewpoint, especially considering your child's reaction to a product made on shared equipment. Ben and Jerry's is the only ice cream brand we let my PA son eat. Actually, it's the only shared equipment product I let my son eat. Like other people, I think Ben & Jerry's does "get it", but of course I understand why you have made the decision you have.
I'm sure I've posted this before, but the following is a copy of my most recent response from Ben & Jerry's regarding how they handle allergens. It's from November, 2005, I think.
"Thanks for your question. Our equipment is cleaned very throughly every time we switch flavors, but we are extra concerned about cleaning the equipment when there's a chance of traces of nuts or peanuts on the machinery. The cleaning process itself takes about 8 hours and we use a cleansing acid, a neutralizing base and lots and lots of scrubbing and rinsing to make certain our equipment is ready to go.
We have even looked at the possibility of using dedicated lines so as to have absolutely no risk whatsoever associated with cross contamination. At this time this is not an option for us in terms of having a viable production schedule.
Because we can't unequivocally state that the lines have never come into contact with nuts we can understand if you chose not to eat our ice cream, but we feel that we have taken the most precautions possible to create a safe, fun, and enjoyable ice cream eating experience for all.
Thanks for your concern,
Ben & Jerry's"

Posted on: Sun, 10/01/2006 - 5:36am
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The problem is that pretty much all the companies who share equipment and don`t state it claim that their cleaning process is so good that there cannot be any residue. Maybe Ben and Jerry`s does have a better cleaning method than the others. I don`t know. But I have gotten pretty much the same email (excellent cleaning, blah blah blah) from other companies that share equipment and don`t state it, even the one my son had a reaction to. It`s so hard to know.

Posted on: Sun, 10/01/2006 - 9:57am
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Quote:Originally posted by Marizona:
[b]The problem is that pretty much all the companies who share equipment and don`t state it claim that their cleaning process is so good that there cannot be any residue. Maybe Ben and Jerry`s does have a better cleaning method than the others. I don`t know. But I have gotten pretty much the same email (excellent cleaning, blah blah blah) from other companies that share equipment and don`t state it, even the one my son had a reaction to. It`s so hard to know.[/b]
Same here, from Haagen Dazs. Once burned, twice shy - KWIM?
Amy

Posted on: Sun, 10/01/2006 - 10:40am
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There are no may contains warnings on some ice creams, others clearly state allergen info. he has eaten ben & jerry's at home.
Don't miss the point here, the girls at the store were completely allergy aware. She knew to sanitize the scoop, told us which ice creams were nutty, which were may contains and which were safe. That was amazing.
The nutty ones and may contains were in one part of the freezer and the others on the other side. She still opened new containers and knew which toppings were may contains and which were okay. THAT IS FANTASTIC and what we all are looking for....awareness.

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