Attempting to post picture of mystery hives/eczema

Posted on: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 3:54am
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Howdy,
Well we have been struggling with DS's mysterious skin rash almost his whole life, and he will be 2 this month. This is the worst that it has ever been, this last week. He has had lots of allergy testing, and is TNA and EA. Just looking for opinions, as we are feeling a bit desperate. I really hope this works, we are using photobucket. If not, sorry for wasting you time looking:-))))

[img]http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g185/dgflyer/DSCN0394.jpg[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 4:00am
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Yeah that it posted, but I do not know why it is so big.
Anyway, he looked like this last thursday, friday and monday. Over the weekend it calmed down, still there but a lot lighter. When he takes Atarax it goes away. Took pictures to pediatrician, nothing heard. Took him to the dermatologist, cannot figure it out, other to say that he looks really bad. Phone call to allergist, who has seem him a little better than this who referred us to the dermatologist. Have tried EVERYTHING! Including many many suggestions that we have heard here.
If this was PA DD, I think the epi pen would have been really really close,(not actually used, but ready, due to how yucky he looks all over) but we were told by the pediatrician not to even bother taking him to the ER, as we know more than they do, hmmmmmmmm.

Posted on: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 4:19am
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What is different about weekdays than weekends?? It looks as if he may be reacting to something in the environment if it cleared up for a couple of days. Soap, laundry detergent, shampoo, bleach, carpets, grass... Anything he would not have been around on Sat/Sun? Does he go to childcare?
Sorry for all the ? w/o answers for you...
Rebekah

Posted on: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 4:23am
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First, I'm sorry-- I know how miserable this can make them. This is exactly how DD looks when she gets a bad case of recurrent hives.... they keep popping up and eventually become eczemic like that after a day or two...
How sensitive is your child to eggs? Do you keep any egg-containing food in the house? DD had a case like this once after her daycare center had served scrambled eggs to the rest of the class (we knew about EA)... it was because the egg residue got mashed into the carpet. This is a lot like what her contact rxns to egg look like. I've also seen a sesame contact reaction like this, and certain fabric softeners will do it to me.
The other thing is that sometimes viruses can do this (and some kids are really susceptible to viral hives) without causing much in the way of other symptoms. Some kids get them every time they get a cold. (So what, seven or eight times a year or more....)
Seems odd though that the antihistamines are doing so much to help... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
I'd guess egg contact-- this is skin only, right? Is your child on a daily antihistamine? What does your allergist think about adding one? DD was about that age when we finally did that... sick of stuff like this. That's what convinced us.
Again-- so sorry that you are dealing with this.... what a bummer. Hope he isn't super itchy. DD eventually got so she was totally desensitized to feeling itchy-- even covered with hives, she now just mentions it casually.

Posted on: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 5:26am
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My son, who is allergic to eggs, has recurrent bouts of hives just like in your picture. The allergist diagnosed these as virally induced hives. Just as you describe, the big blotchy welts will go away with Benadryl, but as soon as the drug wears off, they are back. These episodes last from several days to a month and are usually preceded by a cold or mild viral illness. His most recent attack of hives was not well controlled by Benadryl. The allergist prescribed Zyrtec and Zantac (an H2 blocker) twice a day for a month. This combination worked beautifully, with no breakthrough hives. After a month of treatment we were able to wean him off the medication and have not had a recurrence for 4 months.
[img]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/cvalvarez/HivesOnLeg2.jpg[/img]
At age 2, my son also had severe night itching. Sometimes, tiny hive like bumps were visible on his skin. However, this was not eczema as they would quickly disappear in the morning. This problem was completely alleviated by eliminating all artificial food coloring from his diet. Artificial coloring, especially yellow #5, can cause hives and anaphylactoid reactions. The mechanism of the reaction is unknown, since the dye is not a protein. Because of this, there is no RAST test for dye "allergy".
I hope our experiences can give you some ideas of other things to try to help your son. I understand what you are going thru, trying to figure out the cause of this rash!
Cathy
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Posted on: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 6:59am
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Is it only on his legs, or does it cover his whole body?
If its whole body, I would suspect its something he's ingested, but if its only on certain areas of his body, its possibly an allergy to something he's coming into contact with...perhaps even certain synthetic fabrics or washing detergents, ect...
when my son was a baby, he got similar rashes in his diaper area...it turned out to be the baby wipes...

Posted on: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 8:21am
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Our son battled with hives like this - no Drs. knew at all what it was from. Turned out he was allergic to the Pull-Ups he was wearing. He even ended up in an anaphylactic reaction from them before we figured it out, so be careful.
Is your son potty training, by chance? Wearing the diapers only at night?

Posted on: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 9:38am
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Hi to all!
Thank you all for your thoughts and ideas. I am going to try and answer all of the questions to see if it clarifies anything.
First of all this is by far his worst week yet. Probably about 3 months ago it was only lots (100's) of dots under his skin, some red some purple. Then about 1 month ago it was a less severe case of the above picture. His skin is pretty much never clear. For the past few months we have had sleeping issues, as he would fall asleep, then wake up for up to 3 hours in the middle of the night scratching so hard that we heard him across the house. His scratching his head is what would wake us up. He then would cry unconsolably, hitting and kicking until he would cry himself to sleep.
The picture above is just his legs, but he does have these over his body, however they are much worse on his arms and legs. Not really on his face.
For the past weekend, there were no big differences between the weekend and weekdays. My DH happened to be off, so we just hung out and worked around the house. We have been working the last month trying to plant grass and u sing straw, but don't know if that has a direct correlation.
Regarding soaps, etc. We use All Free and Clear on all of the clothes. No fabric softner or bleach. Once in awhile Oxy clean on the whites to brighten them up. Cetaphil bar soap. Then either eucerin or vaseline. We have experimented trying different soap, lotion, etc.
Have had numerous prescription steroid creams and ointments. Have recently had prescription antibiotic ointments. (thought maybe staph infection). Also was on oral antibiotics and had to wipe some in his nose. Antibiotics did clear him up for the most part (as they usually do), but then the spots come back "with a vengeance". Takes Atarax at least at bedtime, and can take it during the day a few times if needed. Began Zyrtec yesterday. Has been on steroids in the past, but when it comes back after that it is horrible.
I stay at home with him.....no daycare would ever take him anyway...
Regarding his egg allergy. RAST tested 0. Another doctor did SPT and a very very small bump appeared. She felt that at least it was somewhere to start. Prior to that he had eaten cakes/cookies etc with baked in eggs and no noticeable difference to what we normally saw. Since then we have cut out eggs in everything.
Prior to this last week he was ALWAYS scratching!! This last weekend turned into him crying and saying Owwie owwie. He would not take a bath. Would not sit in the water. Screamed boo boo and owwie the whole time. We had to wash him off (due to the above mentioned trying to grow grass) and that was miserable for him and us. DH held and I quickly washed.
He is not yet ready, nor am I for potty training. Very stubborn and strong willed.
The thought of this turning into an anaphylactic reaction is the scariest thing in the world. At least with DD's PA I know what to avoid and how to handle it. I feel like that is easy compared to this. I feel like we made a HUGE mistake not taking him to the ER, and if something more would have happened I would never forgive myself. We are trying to figure out where we want to take him if this happens again. (local hospital, children's hospital 1 hour away, or Cleveland Clinic 1 1/2 hours away) Just to try and get somebody else's opinion. Sort of why I posted on here.
I am so thankful to hear your personal stories of this. It is downright scary to look at your kid and see that type of rash. Thank you all so much for the questions and comments.

Posted on: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 10:12am
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[b]We have been working the last month trying to plant grass and u sing straw, but don't know if that has a direct correlation.[/b]
Grasses/straw and the like, can be some of the worst stuff! In college my eyes got so puffy and weepy I actually had one of my professors and come up to me to ask if I was okay. When my regular doctor finally sent me for allergy testing, I found out that among many things, grass -- in its various forms, is on my list of things I'm allergic to. (in addition to many other things like perennial trees). I know to stay away from grass after it is cut -- keep my windows closed, change clothes, etc. My husbands eczema gets bad when he has been around grass -- and my youngest son, the one with really bad eczema, ends up miserable and itchy when he has been on grass!
I'm not saying that grass/straw could be the culprit, but I know that in our family, if we've been on it, we shower and change clothes. I try to not even touch DH or my son if I've been around either, and vise versa. Even after years of immunotherapy for it, I can still feel the effects of being around it -- even the smell.
I hope, that whatever ends up being the cause of this, you are able to figure it out soon. It looks awful, uncomfortable, and it is so sad to think of your little one covered that way.

Posted on: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 10:50am
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If you are not doing so already, you might want to start keeping a special journal of the various foods / drinks he ingests everyday and body products / diaper creams used, etc. Maybe that will help correlate what is triggering the reactions.
That looks similar to the rash my daughter had when she ingested eggs before we knew of her allergies. But, a rash like this could literally come from anything. Any latex exposure like balloons, etc.?
I really hope you solve the mystery soon. I can understand how nerve wracking it must be to not know what's causing it. Worse than dealing with a know allergy.

Posted on: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 7:50pm
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very quickly, I apologize. More later.
That looks like a reaction to something.
How old is he?
Whats he eating?
Lets go on the assumption its a food.
Keep a food diary, of what hes eating. When he flares, you'll know whats causing it.
Pollen/grass? Sure. Could CERTAINLY be.
Soaps used? I just got Cetaphil lotion and saw Mac. Nut oil in it... anything in your soaps?
Did you RAST anything besides egg/nut, like milk, wheat, etc...?
Would you, kwim?
History of allergies in the family, whether pollen, dogs, etc...
Pets in the house?
Dust? Mold? LOTS of things can cause those hives.
More later from work.
Hugs
Jason
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