anyone with expired epipens?

Posted on: Tue, 02/10/2004 - 9:16am
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I am new to this site and have been reading about people who have experienced difficulty with using an epi-pen for the first time. We so not have any epi-pens that are expired to try them out on an orange, like some people recommend. How did everyone try them out? Did they wait until theirs expired and use it then or did they pay a ton of money just to use it on an orange? I would love to try one out and have my daycare person try one out, but it would be so expensive for us to do so. I would love have some suggestions!!! Thanks!

Posted on: Tue, 02/10/2004 - 9:59am
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Hi Mistey, I am new to this site as well, but am finding out tons of info. I ordered an epi-pen trainer for us to try as well as teachers, etc. I asked thru my pharmasist, and they told me how to get one. It was only about $5 & can be used over & over. I have never used one on an orange, but I would if I had an expired one I suppose.
hope to talk to you soon
Linda

Posted on: Tue, 02/10/2004 - 10:21am
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Hi Mistey,
Welcome to the boards.
Check out the response by [i]Syd's Mom[/i] at this link, she gives you the contact info for Dey (Epi pen manufacturer). You can get trainer kits for FREE.
[url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum1/HTML/003167.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum1/HTML/003167.html[/url]
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Posted on: Tue, 02/10/2004 - 11:27am
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Everytime our epipen expires our allergist writes us a script for a twin pack. It always come with a free trainer inside.

Posted on: Tue, 02/10/2004 - 12:45pm
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Hi
We have had our DS practice with expired pens into oranges. We were told that is what Med students use to practice, since it is similar to the mussle that it is injected into.
I too contacted Dey (Very, very nice people). I recieved 4 trainer pens and videos which I donated to the school to have for training , instead of always asking to borrow from PA parents at the start of the school year. This way they can train new or volunteers all year long.
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Posted on: Wed, 02/11/2004 - 8:55am
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The trainers are great to practice with, but our expired epi's are injected into oranges. It's good to get the feel of a "real" one. If the grandparents watch kids, it's good for them too. One time my mom slammed the expired epipen and I think it broke. Something actually popped out in addition to the needle. So it might be good for other people who watch your child to try with the real thing just in case. A firm press will do it, no jabbing needed as my mother learned.

Posted on: Wed, 02/11/2004 - 10:53am
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I used an expired (by 7 months) Epipen on an adult patient having an anaphylactic reaction to an intravenous medicine last week. She is 74 years old with asthma and an irregular heart beat who began sneezing and coughing after administration of an intravenous medication. She said her asthma was acting up but I suspected the beginning of anaphylaxis. No skin symptoms. Her sneezing and coughing got worse, her chest and throat began closing up on her, her voice became raspy, so i knew it. she did not have asthma meds with her. I gave her the adult epipen (EXPIRED) to her through her clothes. Called 911 (at satellite office in middle of the state) and within minutes she improved. Heart rate remained okay.
GET THIS.......................when the ambulance arrived, there were only basic EMTs on it and they did not have and are not allowed to administer epi!!!!!! I said........SEE, I TOLD YOU IT WAS A PROBLEM IN THIS STATE. And, the hospital and EMS were across the street and it took them 10 minutes to get there. Within 5 more minutes a paramedic arrived. Thank goodness the woman did well.
WHEW. Never hesitate to give epi is my motto. And expired is better than nothing.

Posted on: Wed, 02/11/2004 - 12:52pm
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Quote:Originally posted by AlwaysAvoidAnaphylaxis:
[b]I used an expired (by 7 months) Epipen on an adult patient having an anaphylactic reaction to an intravenous medicine last week.
WHEW. Never hesitate to give epi is my motto. And expired is better than nothing.[/b]
AlwaysAvoidAnaphylaxis...You...saved...that...lady's...life!
If you had directed these efforts at anyone in my family, I would automatically have you added as a benefactor in my will..... You so deserve to be recognized for your actions.
Warmest regards,

Posted on: Thu, 02/12/2004 - 12:49am
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AlwaysAvoidAnaphylaxis - what state is that?
I had two expired EpiPens and some raw chicken that had to be thrown out. I shot one Epi into it and my brother shot the other one. I don't remember how long it had been since the epi had expired, though. I take the expired EpiPens to the ped's office with me and put them in their sharps bin.

Posted on: Mon, 02/16/2004 - 7:51am
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I called Dey (800-869-9005x2820) and left a message on the voice mail. And to my surprise we received a package 2 days later from Dey. It included 2 trainers, a video, and a 'No Nuts for Me' book. Kudos to that company for being so helpful, generous and quick to respond! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Pamela
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Posted on: Tue, 02/17/2004 - 2:03am
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Thank you all so much for the advice. I also called Dey and received the trainers 2 days later. They didn't include the 'No Peanuts' book, though. Is it good?

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