Any strange reactions after eating Teddy Grahams?

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Jacob (17 months) ate the plain/honey teddy grahams wednesday afternoon and evening then thursday morning woke up wheezing. Is it just a coincidence or a reaction to a cross contamination?

After a trip to the ER with 3 breathing treatments we were sent home only for the wheezing to be just as bad when we got home and it was only a 10 min drive. The ped wanted to see him and after a fifth breathing treatment she had him admitted for 23 hrs. He's doing better now but still sounds sooo congested and raspy.

Can I have the box tested for peanuts? The dr's say viral induced asthma but I need to know if these are safe. That is the only thing different he ate that day.

Thank you for the concern...I think we'll be going to the ped today just to make sure everything is going ok.

[This message has been edited by Jacob's Mom (edited June 17, 2002).]

On Jun 16, 2002

If you call your local FDA office, they will tell you what you have to do to get the product tested for peanuts. Also, call FAAN; they have someone who can help you as well. Just make sure you keep the rest of the box.

How's the little guy doing now? Better, I hope!

Amy

On Jun 16, 2002

Just wanted to let you know that my daughter is very sensitive to cross-contamination, and she eats those teddy grahams all the time and has never had a problem. My daughter is the one who had the reaction to the ice cream made on shared equipment with peanuts and not stated. So I think if the teddy grahams were on shared equipment and not stated, my daughter would have had a problem with those too. The best lab for allergen testing is University of Nebraska. I have no idea what the cost is; when we had our ice cream incident the company WholeSoy paid. I just had to Fedex the product to be tested. The FDA probably won`t have yours tested. I have reported two different cross-contaminated products to the FDA, and neither time they tested it. If you want the info on the lab in Nebraska, you can email me. I don`t have my email address available on this site, but if you go to my petition (see other thread on Main Board about Petition For Accurate Labeling), it will show you how to email me. That lab is very accurate, and uses a cutoff for peanut of 2.5 ppm.

On Jun 16, 2002

Also, wanted to add that when my daughter had her reaction due to cross-contaminated ice cream, the symptoms started within five minutes after eating it or even less. I think since your child was fine after eating it, and was wheezing the next day, I think the timing doesn`t fit with it being a reaction. My daughter also wheezes from viral infections. Some of her colds put her on the nebulizer.

On Jun 16, 2002

We *live* on teddy grahams. It is my take everywhere snack. If you do find a problem with cross contamination, please post! Good luck. Hope all is well with your little one. Amy

On Jun 17, 2002

Jacob'sMom,

Has he ever had an episode of viral induced asthma before? Had he been showing signs of a virus on Wednesday?

Hope he is doing better today.

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On Jun 17, 2002

I hope he is feeling better. It is really scarey when they are having troubles. It does sound like there was quite a long time between the injestion and the reaction. When my son was that age, he also experienced wheezing with viral infections. Luckily, as children grow, so do their bronchial tubes, so with age, this has been greatly lessened. Hang in there, Andrea

On Jun 17, 2002

I'm glad to hear this is something he should grow out of. He is doing better but still has a weak/wimpy whine and cry. He loves the cuddle time with me while getting his breathing treatments.

The only sign of any cold was a little bit of a runny nose. He was fine weds night when he went to bed, he was coughing alittle around midnight and then when he woke up at 7am he was pale, coughing to the point he was gagging, and wheezing.

The dr's are running more RAST tests to rule out tree pollens, cats, & dogs.

His only other previous reaction was hives around his mouth and nose the 1st time he had PB. I didn't think the teddy grahams were the problem but since they were the only new thing he had eaten that was the item I thought of first as the culprit.

On Jun 17, 2002

We have teddy grahams here a lot. And we've never had any problems.

Amy

On Jun 17, 2002

We eat the Teddy Grahams honey flavor here all the time as well and have never had any problems,we can only eat those kind cause they don't have anything corn as well as peanuts in them, my 2.5 dd was sneezing and had a slight runny nose on friday and by Sat night we were in the ER with her as well from an Asthma attack [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img] I know its scary bringing them, thankfully enough my dad was visiting from out of town and he washere with my boys so dh and I could take her in, she was doing better after 2 45 min treatments, Hope your son is feeling better! Leah [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 17, 2002

Double ear infection too, that's why he's still so whiny. The dr didn't hear any wheezing so we can discontinue the nebulizer and no more steroids.

Hopefully I'll have my happy, smiley little boy back tomorrow.

On Jun 17, 2002

Careful Mom, what were the other two products that were cross contaminated? What was the processing scenario...mixed use equipment throughly cleaned...mixed use equipment taken apart and cleaned...dedicated line but in a place that also makes stuff w/peanuts/nuts...???? This is probably for a different thread, sorry...I am struggling with safety zone and have been getting a lot of responses from food manufacturers that will not say whether something is made on a dedicated line or not. Today I inquired about Ortega Salsa which is actually made by Nestle. The response was that the equipment was taken apart and thoroughly cleaned...how do you feel about that kind of answer???

On Jun 17, 2002

Some people (like me) have delayed allergic reactions. So it could have been something your son had several days before the reaction.

For example, I had hives from age 16 -22 and could never figure out what caused them. I was only going back 24 hours to record what I ate. When I went back two days, I found that each time I had had strawberry malts. If my physician had not told me about delayed reactions I probably would not have figured it out. Later, I was skin tested and I am allergic to all kinds of berries.

I also have had delayed reactions to wasp stings. No immediate reaction until the next day when I itch all over. Same thing with a bee sting. No immediate reaction when I stepped on one. Two days later my foot started to swell and then my leg.

On Jun 18, 2002

kstreeter, I have really a lot to say about this, so forgive me if I am really long winded. I don`t think I have seen you much on these boards, some of this has already been posted on other threads. I had to make the same decisions about this shared equipment issue. When I heard equipment was shared, I always wanted to err on the safe side, and when my daughter had her first reaction I was glad I had.

My daughter was diagnosed as pa at age 5. We found out from a skin test, which was done because she was already allergic to milk and egg. She had never eaten peanuts or any kind of may contains that were stated on the box. Then she had a CAP-RAST and for peanut it was really high. Since she had never eaten peanuts, I really didn`t know how allergic she was, but based on the CAP-RAST I figured it must be pretty bad. If anything listed shared equipment or manufactured in a plant that process peanuts I never gave it. For a long time she ate Rice Dream by Imagine foods, which is imitation ice cream. Then I read somewhere that it was on shared equipment with peanuts. I called Imagine and spoke with a specialist who seemed really knowledgable. She said yes, the equipment is shared, but they clean it really really well, so it was safe. She asked me do we eat in restaurants. I said yes, but I bring all my daughter`s food. The only thing I will get her in a restaurant is dry cereal in a box with ingredients listed or fresh fruit. She said when you go to a restaurant and she eats fruit on a plate, you don`t know if another customer ate peanut products on that plate. The plate is washed very well, and so the pa person (or parent) considers it safe. She said their cleaning procedures are even better than in a restaurant. So anyhow, based on this, I continued giving my daughter Rice Dream, even though I knew it was on shared equipment with peanuts. I called this lady about a year later about another product made by Imagine also on shared equipment with peanuts, and she told me the same thing. Then an hour after our conversation, I got an email from her that she had talked to her boss, and her boss told her to tell me not to give it due to the shared equipment. It had her boss` phone number. So I called the boss. The boss said the risk is really low but it is possible that a fraction of a peanut can get stuck in the equipment and released many batches later in a different flavor. So I stopped giving Rice Dream. At the time I recalled that there were maybe five times in three years that I had given my daughter Rice Dream and she coughed after. From reading these boards, I wondered if that had been a mild reaction. Anyhow, I stopped giving Rice Dream and started giving WholeSoy Glace. For some stupid reason I assumed that the equipment was not shared since the carton did not say that it was. After three months of WholeSoy Glace without problems, one time my daughter had it and immediately started to cough and wheeze. She had been fine before. Although she does have viral induced asthma, she never wheezes unless she is sick. The only exception to this was the one time she ate egg and I had to use the Epi. Anyhow, so I figured this was a reaction to the WholeSoy. I treated her with a nebulizer and she was fine after. I called WholeSoy and asked about shared equipment. They do have shared equipment but they insisted there was no risk of cross-contamination. I took my daughter to the allergist and he agreed that this was a reaction to the product. I wrote the petition to WholeSoy to list their shared equipment (I hope you have signed it, if not go to that thread and there is the link). That was enough proof for me that shared equipment has risk. My daughter`s allergist also said that with shared equipment a fraction of a peanut can get stuck in the equipment and get released later in a different flavor. Looking back, I really believe that when my daughter ate Rice Dream and coughed a few times, that was probably a mild reaction also. She has eaten Toffuti Cuties for years without problems, but I went to their website and see they share equipment with peanuts also. So I have stopped giving her Toffuti Cuties also. Even though she has not had problems, I know I am exposing her to trace amounts of peanuts, so I can`t do it. In fact, when I first came to these boards I could not figure out why so many people make their own ice cream, but now I do it too. I haven`t found any that are not on shared equipment with peanuts. (We were only buying milk free imitation ice cream).

The second cross-contamination story is shorter. There is a company called Uncle Eddie`s that makes vegan cookies. Because of my daughter`s multiple food allergies, it is hard to find food she can have and which tastes good. I am a single mom, and just don`t have time to bake our own desserts all the time. Anyhow, she ate Uncle Eddie`s oatmeal raisin cookies for two years, and probably went through at least a hundred bags of them. I never ate them. Then one day we were driving and I ate one. I felt something crunch in my mouth. I look and there in the remaining part of the cookie was clearly a nut or peanut. I called the company and reported it. They were very lax, didn`t seem to want to figure out how it got there, and told me not to worry ("I`m sure that is the only one that got in there"). I couldn`t believe how lax they were. I saved the remaining part of the cookie and called the FDA. I figured they would want to test it, but they didn`t. They did go out and investigate the company. What they found was that the company was using paper pan liners over and over. They also made a cookie called Trail Mix Cookies. They apparently used the paper pan liner for the Trail Mix Cookies and then used it again for the Oatmeal Raisin Cookies. The company was told by FDA they had to stop doing this, and that they had to put on a may contain. They were allowed to use up the bags that were already printed, and then had to start putting may contains on their bags. This was in April of 2001. I always look when I go in the store and they still don`t have may contains on their bags. Personally, I think the FDA is just another government burocracy and will probably never check to see if this company has started putting on may contains. Given the company`s attitude when I called them, they will probably never do it. Given that I almost never ate those cookies and I found a nut or peanut, my guess is that they had a lot of cross contamination going on. It wasn`t like I had to eat a hundred of their cookies to find the one with a nut. Fortunately nothing happened to my daughter.

What I have learned from this is that these little Mom and Pop companies are really high risk for shared equipment or other types of cross-contamination and not stating it. Peanut reactions can be so unpredictable--you can have a reaction the third time, eighth time, and twentieth time, but not the other times, that I won`t take the chance. It doesn`t reassure me to know that my daughter ate these cookies or Toffuti Cuties hundreds of times without problems. I won`t give them to her. I learned from the WholeSoy incident, which she had eaten for three months without problems. What if I hadn`t been there? She was going to go to a sleepover and I would have sent it so they could make ice cream sundaes. Very scary. Also, if I hadn`t been hanging around on these boards, I don`t think I would have figured out the cough and wheezing were actually an allergic reaction to the product. I would have just thought it was an asthma attack.

On Jun 21, 2002

Well Jacob's RAST tests results came back today.

Tree's, molds, grasses, cats ALL NEGATIVE

Dog's scored over 10 and when his peanut test was done in January it was 4.74. How strange. We have a 6 yr old yellow lab and Jacob has never had a problem around Maddy before. In anyones experience if he scored that high for dogs shouldn't he have some other symptoms? Or are they just lying dormant for now only to rear their ugly heads a later date.

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On Jun 21, 2002

I would like to make a comment on the whole "shared equipment" thing compared to a washed plate in a restaurant. In a restaurant, you can quite easily and thoroughly clean a plate, since it is a relatively small, flat surface. However, a processing line can have many complicated parts, hoses, belts, etc. Whether they are running dry products or liquid ones, the chance that some residue will remain is very high.

How do I know this? I used to work in food processing. We processed raspberries. Every night, we dismantled the entire line and thoroughly cleaned and sanitized it. Keep in mind that those processes were for general health and bacterial contamination control. Everything was washed down and scrubbed with high pressure hoses and even some pressure washing equipment. Then we rinsed everything down with a bacticide solution. (Commercial strength bleach, 17%? dilluted 1 cup to 1 gallon water, I think. Anyway, it was strong stuff.)

But every morning, when I went my rounds before the first loads of berries came in, I would always find berry seeds somewhere. And that is raw food processing. All we did was wash down and pack raw fresh raspberries, sometimes packed with sugar, and sometimes pureed.

A cookie line is inevitably more complicated. If we had been running more than one product on those processing lines, I could not have comfortably and confidently said that we had eliminated all traces of raspberry.

Just my $.02 worth. I guess we all have to decide how important a particular food choice is to take a risk.

Amy

On Jul 22, 2006

My son had an allergic reaction to honey teddy grahms! He is very minorly allergic to peanuts. (1.1 on RAST). I called Kraft and they said no way on cross contamination. I was wondering if he could be allergic to honey!

On Jul 22, 2006

Did you ask them how they can be so sure?

I have always been told by Kraft/Nabisco that they [i]do[/i] share lines and that [i]they do not feel there is significant risk[/i]/.

I feel differently.

But anyway- did you tell them you were trying to track down a reaction? This made no difference one of the times I spoke with them either... turned me off of the entire company for good, actually.

On Jul 22, 2006

A few times after eating Teddy Grahms my ds has had that *funny little cough* and a lot of clearing his throat. Not really a full blown reaction, but they just don't agree with him for some reason.

I have called Kraft several times as well and have been given the same response. My family no longer uses Kraft products.

On Jul 22, 2006

DS had a mystery reaction after eating teddy grahams, also. That was the only thing that he had different that day (and week) and we didn't leave the house that day, either. I threw the rest of the box away and gave the other to my nephews who have no food allergies.

On Jul 23, 2006

My dd eats honey teddy grahams often with no reaction. She is allergic to dairy, soy, eggs & peanuts. This is one easy snack she can actually have that I don't have to make myself so I really hope there is not a problem with them.

On Jul 23, 2006

I could swear that I've heard something about if you're having trouble with pollen allergies that you shouldn't have honey. It might be something to do with OAS or just because it's honey...

I love the teddy grahams though, never had a problem (except eating way too many, of course).

On Jul 25, 2006

we've never had problems with Teddy Grahams. My son's asthma and excema does flare up when he is sick though. When he was a baby, he had a lot of ear infections and some other problems. I could tell it was coming by his skin and during the illness his asthma would kick in.

On Jul 25, 2006

starlight--I'm not sure that everyone with OAS has to avoid honey, but I certainly have problems with it. I eat honey but only if it is well cooked (otherwise my throat and mouth sting and itch). I'm not sure about honey coated commercial products--I did have a mild reaction to Erewhon rice twice cereal. Could be the honey . . . or the fact that it is produced on a line that it not free of tree nuts. (can't have teddy grahams so can't speak to it, but years ago when I used to be able to eat them they did make my throat slightly itchy. could have been the soya lecithin though.)

On Jul 25, 2006

I know that many people use Teddy Grahams successfully, but my son had a possible reaction to them several years ago, so we don't use them. (We don't use Chips Ahoy for the same reason.) Bear in mind that my son's reaction was an itchy mouth, something that's subjective, so I'm not 100% certain that it was a reaction. But I thought I'd mention it since at least one other person on this thread has had problems with this product, and I know that in older threads other people have mentioned reactions to Teddy Grahams.

--Debbie

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