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Quote:Originally posted by Rhonda RS:
[b]Hi MB,
Gary got a hold of the entire "Letter to Zirkel - 1993," from OCR and sent me a PDF, and I've posted on our website.
[url="http://www.allergysupport.org/rhondadocs/Zirkel.pdf"]http://www.allergysupport.org/rhondadocs/Zirkel.pdf[/url]
The gist of the letter is that the "reasonable standard" used for ADA does not apply for Section 504 and schools.[/b]
yes. that is the gist I got.
that a [i]FAPE[/i] standard has more muscle than a [i]reasonable[/i] standard? (If of course, one can say learning is affected. As I understand it, 504 has no qualifier that learning need be affected? Please, correct me if I am not understanding, as it is critical that I do.)
that since my child is already covered by idea, ohi may not be such a far leap (seeing that many conditions and needs overlap)? Again, correct me when needed. I'm [i]still[/i] new to this.
Thank you for confirming, if I do indeed understand based on the reasoning.
[b]You could present a copy of this letter to your school, should the district say it only needs to provide what is "reasonable." OCR clearly states this is not the case. Again, an SD's lawyer may use the argument that I stated (use ADA law saying they only have to provide what is reasonable) and cite some case law to support their argument that they do not have to provide what is reasonable. However, I've found most of the SD's lawyers are not that bright. I think if you presented this letter, it would make the district back down from a "we only have to provide what is reasonable" argument.[/b]
We have an appointment with my child's physician today. I need to get some ot scripts filled for the school, and some other papers regarding medication. Through the grapevine, and during the course of some calls to the district special ed department, a representative mentioned that the iep team would need to be reconviened re: Asthma and Food Allergy and orthopedic impairment. (I haven't turned in any formal notification yet, as we are seeing the physician today-----he was on vacation briefly)
Is the reconviening of the IEP regarding what was mentioned *a good thing*?
There is something I would like to discuss off the boards as this is such an open forum. I could post it later after the smoke clears (if there is any), but now is not a good time.
I have my OCR letter article on hidden disabilities, the Zirkel letter, a printed copy of the MASS document that I have kept for quite some time....., but cannot get the Nathan Walters article from [b]The Spokane Review[/b] to download........... I have a password and have cleared my browser, restarted the computer, etc.....but it just won't download.
Anyone?
Quote:Originally posted by Rhonda RS:
[b]Hi MB,
Gary got a hold of the entire "Letter to Zirkel - 1993," from OCR and sent me a PDF, and I've posted on our website.
[url="http://www.allergysupport.org/rhondadocs/Zirkel.pdf"]http://www.allergysupport.org/rhondadocs/Zirkel.pdf[/url]
[/b]
thank you Gary. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I had found the letter (or parts of) at another website, but I really like the format it is in on Rhonda's site. You know, [i]the whole letter[/i]. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
Mommabear,I raised it hope its the one you are looking for!
Good luck!
I sent you a E-mail
Love this site
Synthia
Hi MB,
FAPE is just another part of the law. Making reasonable accommodations would be a way to ensure FAPE (a Free and Appropriate Public Education).
Yes, reconvening the IEP team is a good thing as long as the IEP Team (PPT - Planning and Placement Team as it is also called) has the authority to give the 504 Designation. Be sure to ask the person leading the IEP team in writing (e-mail / fax) that the 504 Coordinator be there and any other necessary school official for the district be there so that all the right people are there who have the authority to give the 504 designation should cub not qualify for OHI under IDEA for food allergy and asthma.
Regardless of the information through the grapevine, send all the documents in we've talked about. Especially important is your request for designation letter.
Try these two articles; they have the information that you need:
[url="http://www.nsba.org/site/doc_micro.asp?TRACKID=&CID=1139&DID=8042"]http://www.nsba.org/site/doc_micro.asp?TRACKID=&CID=1139&DID=8042[/url]
[url="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3125/"]http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3125/[/url]
It looks like the full amount of the settlement was 1 Million dollars.
[url="http://static.highbeam.com/t/thecolumbian/april162002/boysdeathledto1millionsettlement/"]http://static.highbeam.com/t/thecolumbian/april162002/boysdeathledto1millionsettlement/[/url]
Prayers to Rick and Teresa for peace and comfort.
Rhonda
[This message has been edited by Rhonda RS (edited July 29, 2004).]
Quote:Originally posted by Rhonda RS:
[b]Hi MB,
FAPE is just another part of the law. Making reasonable accommodations would be a way to ensure FAPE (a Free and Appropriate Public Education).[/b]
absolutely. but am I understanding it correctly that under OHI, not 504, the word "reasonable" does not influence the extent of the accommodations made? I know, I'm not really good at being clear. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
[b]Yes, reconvening the IEP team is a good thing as long as the IEP Team (PPT - Planning and Placement Team as it is also called) has the authority to give the 504 Designation. Be sure to ask the person leading the IEP team in writing (e-mail / fax) that the 504 Coordinator be there and any other necessary school official for the district be there so that all the right people are there who have the authority to give the 504 designation should cub not qualify for OHI under IDEA for food allergy and asthma.
[/b]
thank you for reminding me, I just trusted that they would be there. Better to be prepared.
[b]Regardless of the information through the grapevine, send all the documents in we've talked about. Especially important is your request for designation letter.[/b]
Agreed. If I don't rock the boat a little, I just might not notice the anchor, right? [i]Besides, it's not like me to be afraid to rock the boat. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] Now is not the time to start.
[b]Try these two articles; they have the information that you need:
[url="http://www.nsba.org/site/doc_micro.asp?TRACKID=&CID=1139&DID=8042"]http://www.nsba.org/site/doc_micro.asp?TRACKID=&CID=1139&DID=8042[/url]
[url="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3125/"]http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3125/[/url]
It looks like the full amount of the settlement was 1 Million dollars.
[url="http://static.highbeam.com/t/thecolumbian/april162002/boysdeathledto1millionsettlement/"]http://static.highbeam.com/t/thecolumbian/april162002/boysdeathledto1millionsettlement/[/url] [/b]
I'm still sick over what happened.
[b]Prayers to Rick and Teresa for peace and comfort.[/b]
.................................{{{{{{{}}}}}}}
To answer a previous question: Under 504, breathing or learning (among walking, seeing & hearing) can be affected. Under IDEA, learning must be affected.
I see where your question now is coming from (FAPE v. "reasonable") - you're looking at this through the IDEA lens. Below is a pretty good analysis. Accommodations under IDEA must provide:
"Responsibility To Provide A Free, Appropriate Public Education (FAPE)?--Yes. A FAPE is defined to mean special education and related services. Special education means "specially designed instruction, at no cost to the parents, to meet the unique needs of the child with a disability...." Related services are provided if student's require them in order to benefit from specially designed instruction. States are required to ensure the provision of "full educational opportunity" to all children with disabilities."
[url="http://www.kidsource.com/kidsource/content3/ada.idea.html"]http://www.kidsource.com/kidsource/content3/ada.idea.html[/url]
So, the law says that schools must "meet the unique needs" "at no cost" - so, my impression is that the school must meet the needs of your cub in order to meet its responsibility of providing FAPE in LRE (least restrictive environment).
Thoughts?
[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Rhonda
Rhonda RS,
Did you get a chance to read the thread I was referring to?
Comments.keeping in mind that it is a ruff draft!
Love this site
Synthia
MB,
No problem. RhondaRS and I felt the letter has much more impact when it is presented on official OCR letterhead...
Good luck [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Hi MB,
Below is a landmark Supreme Court Case known as the "Tatro" Case. I think this is exactly what you are looking for to demonstrate that schools must pay for accommodations under IDEA to provide FAPE in LRE and make it possible for a child with a disability like, OI, to participate for children without disabilities. The Supreme Court found in favor of the child and the parents. Read the case, let me know if this is what you were looking for.
U.S. Supreme Court
IRVING INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DIST. v. TATRO, 468 U.S. 883 (1984)
[url="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=468&invol=883"]http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=468&invol=883[/url]
"Respondents' 8-year-old daughter was born with a defect known as spina bifida. As a result she suffers from orthopedic and speech impairments and a neurogenic bladder, which prevents her from emptying her bladder voluntarily. Consequently, she must be catheterized every three or four hours to avoid injury to her kidneys. To accomplish this, a procedure known..." Read on.
Take care,
Rhonda
[This message has been edited by Rhonda RS (edited July 29, 2004).]
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