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Posted on: Wed, 12/03/2003 - 1:19am
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Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
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Also, what I found interesting is that you can send homemade stuff into the U.S. still without a problem. Why is homemade stuff not considered a security risk? [/b]
Yes.. it doesn't make sense. A terrorist in Iraq could bake a homemade cake filled with ebola virus and send it in the USA, but I can't send a box of Smarties to my friend in Walla Walla for their personal use - my Smarties are more of a risk?
It doesn't make any sense. I don't see how my box of Smarties could be a risk to the American public, since it is only my friend who will eat them. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/confused.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 12/03/2003 - 3:06am
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Hmmmmmmmm .......
If I take all the Smarties out of their original case, and put them in my own, smartly-decorated box ...
Can I call that a [i][b]HOMEMADE [/i][/b]item now?
Just a thought ......

Posted on: Wed, 12/03/2003 - 4:00am
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Quote:Originally posted by teacher:
[b]Hmmmmmmmm .......
If I take all the Smarties out of their original case, and put them in my own, smartly-decorated box ...
Can I call that a [i][b]HOMEMADE [/i][/b]item now?
[/b]
it sounds homemade to me... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 12/03/2003 - 4:33am
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Heck, sounds homemade to me if you buy a tin at the dollar store and dump them all in it without doing any decorating yourself! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
See, that's what doesn't make sense. Why can homemade foods still go in and pre-packaged ones not.
I could see if this had come from somewhere, like a business association where say Nestle USA was ticked off that Nestle Canada was getting so much American business or that Hershey U.S. was upset that Americans were getting "safe" KitKat. If it was affecting their businesses.
I just cannot, for the life of me, understand how this is a Homeland Security *issue*.
Extending it further from the Smarties thing again, even if you send medication into America, it's sealed, so there is no way that you could taint the product in any way. Again, as erik pointed out, easier to taint something homemade.
I wonder after the 12th if it's possible to even list something as a gift without being extremely specific about what it is. And the thing is, are they going to check each and every package entering America?
As I posted above, I've received Frosted Flakes from the States packed in with clothing and Sixlets.
And what is you did just place clothing on the label? Again, are they going to be checking each and every package?
My aged brain does remember now when I shipped Smarties into the U.S. I either put gift or candy. It would be the candy wording that would be a caution for them now, but I have used the word gift before as well without being any more specific than the value of said gift (and the value is always less than what it actually is as well).
erik, it may be time for you to re-raise your Panhandle Premium thread and though I have expounded the virtues of this particular thread because of the personal-ness of it, it does really look dead unless someone wants to chance writing something like gift on it.
The thing with the chocolate bars is if the package was shaken at the border (I don't know if border people do that) they wouldn't even be suspect. Smarties and medications, of course, sound different.
I'm actually quite ticked off. And I'm not an American. My children can easily go across the street and get some safe Smarties.
Oh well. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Wed, 12/03/2003 - 10:14am
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It was the "homemade" section that seemed like the biggest loophole. I was just thinking the combination of exceptions might cover the sending of some candy for personal consumption, especially id homemade things are okay. becca

Posted on: Thu, 12/04/2003 - 1:50am
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becca, I see where you're coming from, but would the FDA? For example, as teacher suggested, if she bought the Smarties requested and dumped them in a decorated tin, would they be considered homemade? Take that further? I don't even bother to take them out of their boxes but place them in a tin and say they're homemade. How are they honestly going to know if someone has taken a pre-packaged item and declared it homemade? And are they going to be checking every thing that goes across the border? And are we Canadians doing the same (I understand that we don't have the terrorist threat that the U.S. lives under)?
Because that really ticks me off [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] I can still get "safe" American candy, which is rarer than "safe" Canadian candy, but my American friends can't.
Does anyone know what that line means that I needed help with out of what becca posted before?
And when you go to the post office and say something is homemade, what else do you have to say? It just seems like a big run around to me.
Actually, it would be interesting, if anyone who ships ANYTHING across the borders this year for Christmas, posts and says if the paperwork was any different for whatever they sent, be it clothes, food, whatever. I have to go to the post office probably early next week now so I may check with them and see if they have paperwork on the new requirements and if it's not busy and I don't have the munchkins with me, maybe I'll ask the Canada Post representative a few questions.
Actually, Canada Post can be contacted on-line and asked questions (I remember when I wanted to Epi-pen the Pillsbury Dough Boy I contacted them on-line with my query), so they might be a good starting place for us Canadians.
And again, American friends, you need to be in an uproar about this. I realize it's only candy, but still!
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Tue, 12/09/2003 - 9:08am
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I did speak with a Canada Post representative to-day and although they do not have official literature re this yet, it is considered now a "dangerous good" and falls under that section of their mailing requirements.
I explained to the woman at the counter (the poor things, besieged by people that can't stamp their own Christmas cards, and I don't mean elderly people) why I was asking. She said that they should be coming out with some specific literature soon.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Tue, 12/09/2003 - 2:58pm
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Quote:Originally posted by MarbleEye:
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who? what? where? |:~)[/b]
[i]MarbleEye[/i]? Honestly guys this is getting crazy....how many user names can someone have???? Every time I go in a thread I see a new name....I don't know who the heck is who anymore...If we all do this there will be a hundred new user names in no time!!!!!!!!!!! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 12/10/2003 - 2:31am
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Hi- does anyone know if these new guidelines would include me running over to Canada to buy safe food and bringing back in the US? Or is this just regarding mail? Kelly

Posted on: Wed, 12/10/2003 - 2:55am
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Hi Kay,
From what I have read, you are allowed to bring food over the border that you carry yourself for your personal use/friends/etc.
It is only when being sent throught the mail that this applies. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security considers the Nestle Kit Kat bar (as an example) to be a threat for some bizarre unexplained reason. I can see placing restrictions if food is being sent into the USA to be sold in a store for the public to buy, but when it's being sent as a personal gift to a friend, where is the risk to the US public?
Aren't there more important issues for them to worry about.. like airport security?? container port security? etc

Posted on: Wed, 12/10/2003 - 6:09am
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CANADIAN FOOD INSPECTION AGENCY
9 December 2003
Food & Feed Shipments to the United Sates
New U.S. Bioterrorism Act Food Regulations
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) is advising industry and the public involved in food and feed shipments to and via the United States that new regulations come into
effect December 12, 2003 subsequent to the U.S. Food and Drug Administrations (USFDA) Bioterrorism Act.
The new regulations are for Registration of Food Facilities and Prior Notice of Imported Food into the U.S. These regulations do not apply to products or facilities which at
the time of import are under the exclusive jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Facilities that manufacture, process, pack, distribute, receive or hold food and animal feed for consumption in the U.S. must register with the USFDA. There is no fee for the registration.
The USFDA must also receive an advanced or prior notice for all food and feed shipped to and via the U.S. Prior notice must be received and confirmed electronically by the USFDA no more than five days before arrival and, as specified by the mode of transportation,
no fewer than: two hours by road;
four hours by air or rail;
eight hours by water.
In addition, for international mail shipments, prior notice must be received and confirmed electronically by USFDA before
the shipment is mailed, including personal gifts of manufactured food products.
Information and appropriate links on the new USFDA requirements can be found on the Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada Web site at
[url="http://ats.agr.ca/access/bioterrorism_e.htm."]http://ats.agr.ca/access/bioterrorism_e.htm.[/url]
This article is available on the CFIA web site, at:
[url="http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/newcom/2003/20031208e.shtml"]http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/newcom/2003/20031208e.shtml[/url]
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Please visit [url="http://www.cscb.ca"]http://www.cscb.ca[/url] to view a searchable reference area of CSCB information for all categories.

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CANADIAN FOOD INSPECTION AGENCY
9 December 2003
Food & Feed Shipments to the United Sates
New U.S. Bioterrorism Act Food Regulations
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) is advising industry and the public involved in food and feed shipments to and via the United States that new regulations come into
effect December 12, 2003 subsequent to the U.S. Food and Drug Administrations (USFDA) Bioterrorism Act.
The new regulations are for Registration of Food Facilities and Prior Notice of Imported Food into the U.S. These regulations do not apply to products or facilities which at
the time of import are under the exclusive jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Facilities that manufacture, process, pack, distribute, receive or hold food and animal feed for consumption in the U.S. must register with the USFDA. There is no fee for the registration.
The USFDA must also receive an advanced or prior notice for all food and feed shipped to and via the U.S. Prior notice must be received and confirmed electronically by the USFDA no more than five days before arrival and, as specified by the mode of transportation,
no fewer than: two hours by road;
four hours by air or rail;
eight hours by water.
In addition, for international mail shipments, prior notice must be received and confirmed electronically by USFDA before
the shipment is mailed, including personal gifts of manufactured food products.
Information and appropriate links on the new USFDA requirements can be found on the Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada Web site at
[url="http://ats.agr.ca/access/bioterrorism_e.htm."]http://ats.agr.ca/access/bioterrorism_e.htm.[/url]
This article is available on the CFIA web site, at:
[url="http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/newcom/2003/20031208e.shtml"]http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/newcom/2003/20031208e.shtml[/url]
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Please visit [url="http://www.cscb.ca"]http://www.cscb.ca[/url] to view a searchable reference area of CSCB information for all categories.

Posted on: Wed, 12/10/2003 - 7:36am
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While I have never used the Smarties thread - I love the idea and know that Cindy and her many volunteers have worked very hard to get safe CA candy to US folks. I think it is unfortunate and silly that this US rule will interfer with that.
However, I have ordered CA candy from Panhandle Premium ([url]http://www.panhandlepremuim.com[/url]). They are a US company (from WA state). They don't stock all varities of everything (like no orange Coffee Crisps - sob, sob)but have the basic Smarties etc...
I hope that Panhandle still has a way of providing these candies, probably by having things shipped to them directly from the factory? There website says nothing about a change in service due to this new reg...
And again, hope that mentioning Panhandle does not offend any of the CA indivduals that have really put a lot of effort into this thread. I know that some US people are not comfortable giving cc#s out over the internet etc..., but Panhandle can still help others out.

Posted on: Wed, 12/10/2003 - 8:12am
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Thanks Eric and Redtruck! Kelly

Posted on: Wed, 12/10/2003 - 9:00am
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Chicago, I'm fairly sure that you'll still be able to buy Smarties (and whatever other "safe" Nestle products are available) through Panhandle Premium.
I know I used to joke with erik, when he would re-raise his Panhandle thread, that he was trying to kill the Smarties thread and I do believe the Smarties thread has offered some virtues that Panhandle can't - personal contact between PA parents/children, Americans and Canadians doing a barter thing whereby a Canadian would send Smarties and receive something that they couldn't buy here from an American, and just a really personal touch, with also the hope that some families actually became friends.
KayMarks, no, I'm sure, as erik posted, that you'll definitely be fine driving across the border with a CAR LOADED TO THE BRIM with "safe" Nestle products.
erik, I do agree with you that American Homeland Security *should* be worrying about things other than pre-packaged foods going into America.
You know, even if there had been a crack-down on Canadians sending medications into America (i.e., the Tylenol #1), I could understand that. And what I'm not clear about that because I didn't watch the special news show about how Americans are ordering up all of our PRESCRIPTION meds here in Canada is whether or not they'll still be able to do that because it will be a company such as Shoppers' Drug Mart that is sending the medication to the individual in America.
But, as I say, had it been a crack-down on medications (yes, teacher, even that Allegra), I would understand if I stretch my imagination that far. But I can't understand the "safe" line of Nestle products and how they are more of a threat to the American populace than a home-made good coming from Canada.
Anyway, if any Canadian can get anything out of here tomorrow, December 11th, I know I can't, there are probably a few Americans on the board who would like a taste of a Coffee Crisp or a White Chocolate Chunky KitKat, please please get them out.
Otherwise, as Chicago posted, and I guess erik will re-raise the thread more periodically now without my whining [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] , the Panhandle Premium website should still be okay.
Just sad. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Thu, 12/11/2003 - 1:40am
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I would LOVE if someone could send one last shipment to me!!! My son would love it and I will cover the payment (price and shipping). I would really like some Smarties, Coffee Crisp, the new Aero Caramel (I can't resist Erik's description), and the White Choc. Chunky Kit Kat.
Let me know if anyone could possibly do that for me. My e-mail is [email]Naer74@aol.com[/email]. Write me and I will send you my address.

Posted on: Thu, 12/11/2003 - 5:22pm
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Is there anyone in the US who crosses the border and buys the safe Nestle products? Can those individuals bring products back and distribute to us in the US who are not near the border and cannot get safe Nestle products? Also, I saw a post on Thursday about a website that could send the Nestle Products but now I can't find it? Anyone know where it was or who posted it? I am not desperate but my DD who is 3 loves the Smarties - shared the case with PA friends and it is running low. My DD will not understand when she can't have anymore Smarties. My DD still talks about the safe chocolate from her Canadian Friends.(Teacher) Thank You!

Posted on: Thu, 12/11/2003 - 10:47pm
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The website is [url="http://www.panhandlepremium.com"]http://www.panhandlepremium.com[/url]
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Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 6:18am
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Naer74, I'm sorry, I didn't see your post before to-day and to-day's too late and I couldn't have done anything anyway because Jesse had surgery but if I had seen your post I could have tried to contact someone.
Also, toomanynuts (short term memory just blipped out), I think that certainly any American could come across the border and buy out the whole store of "safe" products and take it back across the border claiming it for personal use (remembering that Nestle Smarties have a shelf life of one year) and then distribute from the U.S.
It's a sad thing. I also wonder why it didn't get placed in the TAKE ACTION part of the board by an American. Although how can we possibly negotiate with Homeland Security about Smarties?
Total aside, nothing to do with chocolate, so some can stop reading. I received a mail-in postcard to-day about how my local M.P.P. lied to me four years ago about traditional marriages and how the Alliance Party still believes in traditional marriages whereas my local M.P.P. doesn't (he supports gay marriages) and how do I feel about that. I have listened to much talk in the walk-in clinic (people can be pretty vocal in such an enclosed space) and it would be my general feeling that *most* people in this town are not *for* gay marriages. However, we also have a large gay community. Go figure. Anyway, do they really want my opinion on the postcard? Because I'd be saying that I think gay marriages are okay and I think it's okay that my M.P.P. lied to me.
But see, we're all wacky Canadians and perhaps that's why we can't ship Smarties into America anymore (although we were always told that the spacey people lived in California [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] ).
Naer74, again, I'm sorry I didn't see your post in time. I even tried to get some KitKat down to California Mom before it closed to-day.
I'll see if I'm in the post office next week if they have new literature out re this, but as far as they were concerned when I went this week, it fell under the "dangerous goods" literature if I wanted to read up on it.
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The day the music died. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 8:57am
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testing..

Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 9:03am
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erik, why are you testing a dead thread? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Be sure, my good man, to re-raise your Panhandle Premium thread regularly.
It's too bad I couldn't go into business from my home taking Nestle Canada orders and shipping them into America. However..... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Or, did you put the testing thing there because of what I wrote about gay marriages? I understand that *should* have been in the Debate thread Off Topic but it seemed somehow related, though not really.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 9:51am
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Hi, Saw this in today's Boston Globe. Doesn't say anything about shipments from individuals, but it's some info about the reasoning behind the regs. I guess. bah humbug.
>Law aimed at protecting food supply takes effect
By Olga R. Rodriguez, Associated Press, 12/12/2003
REYNOSA, Mexico -- Indian pigeon peas, Mexican cilantro, Turkish laurel leaves -- any food headed for the American market -- will be more closely examined as of today under new rules to thwart bioterrorists.
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Under the Bioterrorism Act, the US government requires 400,000 food-handling companies at home and abroad to register all products with the Food and Drug Administration.
While the regulations affect imported and domestic food, foreign exporters fear they will be hit the hardest. Many say it could drive them out of the US market, although some hope the law will expedite trade.
The law requires those exporting food to the United States to give American inspectors advance notice before shipments arrive -- two hours for those crossing the border by truck, four hours for those on planes or trains, and eight if landing by ship.
Although there has not been a terrorist attack on the US food supply, Americans have been hit by an anthrax scare and FDA officials think green onions that originated in Mexico infected hundreds of US residents with hepatitis.
The FDA said that as of Wednesday, two days before the regulations were put in place, nearly 131,000 food-handling companies had registered, about 68,000 of them outside the United States.
Mexican customs broker Janet Martinez said many of her clients are not aware of the new law. She doubts they will register, let alone meet the requirements.
"In Mexico, there are places where there isn't even a phone," Martinez said. "A lot of our clients are small producers, and they are not at the level to comply with what the FDA is asking. They are going to be hit the hardest."
Javier Navarro, of the vegetable exporting company Nueva Era in the Mexicali Valley, said the regulations signal the beginning of trade roadblocks to come.
"There is a lot of uncertainty in all of this," said Navarro, whose company exports $8 million worth of cilantro, basil, spinach, leeks, and other vegetables to the United States each year. "We hear this is the first step in many more and tougher requirements the FDA will put in place. We don't have proof to show this, but at times it feels it is about protecting the American market."
FDA spokesman Michael Herndon said the rules were created to protect against a possible bioterrorism attack.
"The FDA goal is not to interrupt the flow of safe food imports," he said. "But just like with anything new, you'll have some bumps and bruises."
In India, exporters say the new rules could result in product losses. Subodh Shah, deputy manager of international marketing for Vadilal, a company that exports canned and frozen foods to the United States, said his products must be kept at near-freezing temperatures or they will spoil. Delays at ports of entry could cost him entire shipments.
Herndon said firms will have at least four months to get acquainted with the law and comply with the regulations. "We will allow for a period of education rather than enforcement," he said.
The FDA and US Customs have agreed to share information so that companies will not have to submit details about incoming shipments twice. Customs already requires companies to register imported products, but the FDA registration involves a much more detailed questionnaire. The FDA registration will enable the agency to track food as it leaves packing plants and arrives in ports.
Customs officers also will conduct FDA inspections, helping enforce bioterrorism regulations in about 300 ports of entry, Herndon said. About 1,800 customs officers ultimately could be trained to do inspections based on FDA guidelines, filling the gaps where the FDA lacks personnel.
Kazim Gurel, deputy chairman of the board of the Turkish company Kutas, which exports more than $10 million in oregano, laurel leaves, sage, and other spices to the United States, said the biggest headache for him will be additional paperwork. "At the end of the day, there will be added documentation. It involves more labor," he said. "But I wouldn't say it's a barrier to trade."
Jorge Lopez, who helps run his family-owned vegetable exporting company in Mexico, hopes the regulations will mean less time wasted at the border. Each day, his truck -- loaded with 18 tons of edible cactus -- takes an average of four hours to cross from Reynosa to Pharr, Texas.
"It's all about tracking the products, controlling what goes in," he said.
Still, Lopez wonders how effective the inspections would be in intercepting hazardous foods.
"When you think about it," he said, "they are always checking for illegal drugs, and they still get through."

Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 9:59am
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Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
[b]erik, why are you testing a dead thread? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img][/b]
Hi Cindy..
I did "testing" since I couldn't see your posting.. I saw the thread was updated at 4 pm but didn't see your post.. now I do.
Oh, gay marriage and marijuana definitely fit in this thread [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 11:09am
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You know what, erik? Now that I've read, thanks to cooper, that it is not only Canadian shipments into the U.S. being targeted, I feel somewhat better about the whole thing. Do you know what I mean?
I thought that it was something that Homeland Security was trying to say about Canada, as a country, specifically, and that had me concerned.
Now, we did go into some of the reasons why Americans may want to stop Canadians and their liberal views from shipping pre-packaged foods into America, but now I understand a lot better. It's everyone that they're concerned with, not just us.
Personally, it sounds like a lot of dead Mexican cilantro and spoiled fresh salsa to me as well. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
I'll have to check out the Debate thread in Off Topic and see if gay marriage is being discussed. I'm filling out the mail-in postcard to whoever the Alliance M.P.P. is here, I don't require postage for it, so I want him to know that there is at least ONE individual in this city that thinks the Alliance is off on that one.
But again, I really should check out the Debate thread to see where others stand before I post so boldly that I don't see what the big deal is at all with two gay people, in love, and willing to make the committment of marriage, being able to do so.
Perhaps it's because my best friend here in gay and I also have a dear friend in Toronto who is gay. Now, there was the psycho gay stalker we encountered in Stuck in Stayner and something to do with my DH, but that's another story. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img]
Okay, I do feel better that it's not just Canada.
And yes, that has been happening on the board quite a bit lately, not just sure if it's in long paged threads or not, but I saw responses clock in at a certain time and yet no response when I checked the actual thread.
Naer74, again, I am so sorry that I didn't get to you before the end of the day yesterday.
Really, please, some American person who lives close to the border, please let us know if you come across and pick up stuff often (or not) and if you can get our American friends any of this safe candy. That may be our next route for those who are not able to purchase through Panhandle.
I guess what I could do is the next time I'm in the post office, simply ask them for the paperwork that I would have to fill out if I was sending pre-packaged food into America.
Again, I do feel better that it's not just us Canadians. President Bush may have what he considers some very valid reasons to be ticked off with our Nation (or former Prime Minister - there is a good quote by him in this week's MacLean's magazine I believe - I have to find it and post it) but to stop the shipment of safe candy for PA children (although the FDA isn't seeing it that way).
And how do you get hepatitis from a vegetable? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/confused.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 11:14am
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sometimes I can't se the most recent post in this thread.. maybe the thread is too long and is self destructing like the original rudeness thread

Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 11:16am
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Hi Cindy,
Gay marriage was discussed quite a bit in the off topic debate thread, and in general most people were supportive. Some are for it.. some are against it.. and soem are undecided

Posted on: Sat, 12/13/2003 - 12:10am
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I travelled to the states last week, and in my luggage I was bringing candy canes to decorate the tops of the gifts I was bringing. (They broke in my luggage, but that's another story.) At customs, on December 4th, the officials bantered back and forth amongst themselves about whether or not they should "allow" me to bring the candy into the country. (They were looking at my luggage on x-ray and saw it.) I was shocked and couldn't tell if they were teasing me or not. But then again, when do those straight-laced customs officials EVER joke around??? If I hadn't been already intimidated, I might have asked, but I didn't.
Suffice to say, I'm wondering if you can even walk food across the border like that anymore.

Posted on: Sat, 12/13/2003 - 12:28am
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Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
[b]And how do you get hepatitis from a vegetable? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/confused.gif[/img]
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Quite possibly, feces.
Maybe I'm wrong. There are many different types of hepatitis, and modes of transmission. Blah. Ick. Ptooey.
How many of you still find "homebaked" goods for distribution in schools still a good idea?

Posted on: Sat, 12/13/2003 - 12:57am
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Momma Bear, you raise an interesting question re home-baked goods in the school. Since Jesse, PA, was my first child to enter the school system, I didn't really care for other people's home-made stuff because, of course, he couldn't eat it unless I had checked it. But, almost a double standard, it was okay for ME to send something in to class that was home-made. So why me and not other parents? Well, for me, personally, I knew that the food was "safe" for Jesse to eat.
But then, in thinking about how I bake myself, in my own home, and how others might bake as well, you really have to wonder if you want any of your children, PA or not, eating other people's home-made goods.
Of course, we have the Christmas parties coming up at school this week and Thursday there is a pot-luck lunch thing in Jesse's classroom. The teacher is allowing me to look at the food that is brought in so I can let Jesse know what is okay to eat or not. Each parent was given something very specific to bring in. I am required to bring in two bottles of Fruit Punch. Had to have a discussion with the teacher about what she really wanted because I don't buy fruit punch for my children.
Not sure what she asked other parents to bring in.
Jesse kept telling me that he was also told that any parent could send in dessert stuff as well. I asked the teacher and she said that that was a personal decision for each parent to make. I thought Jesse was trying to con me into baking and actually, when I think about that, probably trying to get me to bake so that he knows he could enjoy something safely.
Another party on Friday in my daughter's class. Have not been asked to bring in anything.
But no, a thought provoking question.
The way I feel right now, after a sleep deprived night killing mice in my kitchen, I'd say no, don't eat other people's home-made goods. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Sat, 12/13/2003 - 5:21am
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Mommabear, In my sons 504 it states no homemade food is allowed in school. I specifically requested this, and in all honesty it had little to do with pa.
If you saw how dirty some of those kids come to school I dont want any of them bringing food from their home to feed my kids.
It was funny because when I brought it up to a couple teachers they all said " Oh, I never eat that stuff, it goes right in the garbage!". I looked at them and said , "So its too disgusting for you to eat, but you give it to my kid?".
I got my way!

Posted on: Sat, 12/13/2003 - 6:28am
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momma2boys, with the principal I'm dealing with this year, he said something about a lot of people make homemade cookies rather than buying store brand cookies. I thought, at the beginning of the year, that maybe it was an income thing, not that low income = home-made stuff either, but have recently found out that this is the snottiest school in town. Anyway, he said that he could not control homemade goods whatsoever. Of course, this is the same man that through my son's written school plan out the window and is now telling me I don't have the right to pursue an IPRC for Jesse.
The way I feel right now, I'm heading back to more civilized parts of the province when school ends this year.
But I do agree about home-made stuff. It's funny, I think joeybeth and I talked about it here, how we felt okay about ourselves sending food in because we knew it was PA safe, but we didn't feel comfortable with other parents doing the same. I think it was when my neighbour sent me some cupcakes over for the kids at Valentine's Day and I was really reluctant to take them, for PA reasons, and yet, I had been sending her baked stuff every time I made it. So, for me, PA really did make it a double standard.
But Momma Bear's point I have seen a lot more clearly lately and I'm not sure why.
Although, as you can see in this thread, we are still allowed to send home-made food into America, just not pre-packaged Smarties. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Sat, 12/20/2003 - 12:30pm
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Yeah! My mom made it over the border and got my son a bunch of smarties, some aero bars and some coffee crisp. His face lit up brighter than my christmas tree. He ate 2 little boxes of smarties. We'll save the rest! He loved them.
I was so happy, yet I was angry and sad that he should have to get so excited to finally get to eat candy because stupid manuf. here can't make anything peanut free.

Posted on: Sat, 12/20/2003 - 1:04pm
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Forgot to add, for anyone in the Buffalo, NY area after my mom went into Canada they went into Premier Gourmet and they also carry the Coffee Crisp and Aero bars.

Posted on: Sat, 12/20/2003 - 2:28pm
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Quote:Originally posted by momma2boys:
[b]Forgot to add, for anyone in the Buffalo, NY area after my mom went into Canada they went into Premier Gourmet and they also carry the Coffee Crisp and Aero bars.[/b]
You don't even have to cross the border to Canada to get these safe bars. To save you the hassle of crossing the border, the "CT NEWS" general store at the Niagara Falls Prime Outlet Mall (1900 Military Road, Niagara Falls , New York 14304) sells the Nestle safe bars (Aero, Kit Kat, Coffee Crisp, Smarties). When we go shopping to this outlet mall I have seen the bars in the store (it is located in the food court in the mall).
Of course, you may want to check before you drive to this mall to ensure that they are not sold out. You can call the CT News store at (716) 297-3243 and ask if they have any Canadian Aero, Kit Kat, Smarties, Mirage, or Rolo in stock. While you are there, you can also do some outlet shopping at the mall. Here is the mall's web page - they have a lot of good stores:
[url="http://www.primeoutlets.com/cntrdefault.asp?cntrid=1035"]http://www.primeoutlets.com/cntrdefault.asp?cntrid=1035[/url]
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Posted on: Sat, 12/20/2003 - 2:42pm
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The Nestle USA web site says that they do not distribute Coffee Crisp bars in the USA. However, it says that they can be ordered from Nestle Canada:
[url="http://www.nestleusa.com/consumerSite/faq/faq.asp?subCatID=2001518121921651311668#2001522135661651311670"]http://www.nestleusa.com/consumerSite/fa...135661651311670[/url]
[i][b]Foreign Confections: How can I get a Nestl

Posted on: Sun, 12/21/2003 - 2:37am
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I have been reading this the past few weeks and as an American, this is really sad. I was just matched up with Teacher for the smarties maybe a month and a half ago. Unfortunately, I waited too long and never got to take advantage of this wonderful exchange by you wonderful people here! I just wish there was some way around this.
There's a question I have that I haven't seen answered in this thread. I hope this doesn't seem dumb for mentioning this, however only the US postal service has been mentioned. There are other means of delivery: Federal Express, Airborne, UPS, etc. Do these new rules apply to them as well? Just a thought, and forgive me if I overlooked something here...

Posted on: Sun, 03/06/2005 - 10:35am
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Simply re-raising. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
I am SO happy! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Mon, 03/07/2005 - 1:44am
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Oh..Oh..Oh, please, me first!! Can you see my hand up? I have been ordering from CanadianSweets, but I know it was cheaper in the past to get someone to mail it to me. My girls tried the Aero caramel this Christmas and fell in love. They also like the smarties and kit kats.
Please let us know!
Rachel, Jenna 11, and Heidi 8.

Posted on: Mon, 03/07/2005 - 3:34am
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Rae, if no Canadians want to do this, let me know. I can get Aero Caramel, Aero, Coffee Crisp, and sometimes Cafe Mocha Coffee Crisp and French Vanilla Coffee Crisp.

Posted on: Mon, 03/07/2005 - 6:43am
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momma2boys, and where are you getting your stockpile? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] Only kidding.
I used to have a list of Canadians that I could contact immediately when an American wanted some Nestle products. Unfortunately, I don't now. I know that one of them is no longer on the internet.
So, momma2boys, are you able to do this easily? Until I can get some Canadians? That would be super. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Canadians - we need your help. You don't have to sign on to send to more than one American - a "one off" is just fine.
Many thanks and best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Fri, 03/11/2005 - 4:32pm
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Maybe what is needed is a few Canadians who live near the border. I was lucky to find a friend on another board that makes a trip to florida two or three times a year. So she buys what I need and when she gets to Florida she ships it to me. But I have a few other friends on the same board that live close enough to the border that they go to the US side every once in a while to shop or whatever and offered to send it that way.
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Posted on: Fri, 03/11/2005 - 10:28pm
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Ok, I am going to Canada this Monday!
(Only 1hr from the border)
I can pick items up & then send from here.
But I will need the following
List of what you want! (No guaranties I'll find it all)
for you to agree to pay shipping + a small fee for Gas & packaging & pay pal fee if you choice to make payment that way.
If anyone is interested please email me.
Kathy

Posted on: Sat, 03/12/2005 - 12:43pm
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kkeene, super stuff, thank-you! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] House hunting? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
That would be absolutely fabulous and very much appreciated.
This thread was started five years ago and initially what happened was one Canadian family would be matched with one American family and I do think some friendships developed solely because of communication re Smarties (the parties had to e-mail one another, feel comfie giving out addresses, sending money, etc.).
Then, near the end of the thread, I basically had one Canadian, teacher, who was doing 90% of the mailing out of Canada although I still had a list of about 5 other Canadians who I knew, if an American signed up for Smarties, I could contact them and get an answer from one of them.
That's what I'm hoping to eventually get going again. Especially if we only have to register with the FDA once - the half hour paperwork wouldn't be so cumbersome.
But kkeene, wonderful stuff, thank-you. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Me, if I was an American asking for Nestle products - I'd be asking for that Nestle Coffee Crisp Latte right now (tried to get three at the store tonight - not all for me [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] ) and couldn't - I was very upset! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Sat, 03/12/2005 - 1:38pm
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LOL, Cindy, I was in the store that I can get the Canadian candy at tonight. They had the CC Mocha Latte there. I got French Vanilla instead. Want me to mail you some? Lol, too funny.

Posted on: Sat, 03/12/2005 - 2:25pm
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Wow!!! I am desperately wanting some more of these!. We haven't had any in such a long time. Cayley's mom and I would send each others kids special treats quite often. Of course, those in Canada have many more to choose from. My son's birthday is coming up in about 2 weeks and then Easter after that. It would be great to include some in his basket. I will try to e-mail Kkeene tomorrow. I am wondering, maybe Erik, if he could provide an updated list of those that are available that are considered peanut free.

Posted on: Sat, 03/12/2005 - 2:51pm
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momma2boys, ah, but it is not the Mocha Latte I want, it is the plain Latte. White chocolate covered. They did have the Mocha one and the French Vanilla one tonight, but no, I wanted three Latte's (this from someone who doesn't even know what a Latte, as far as coffee is [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img] )
Naer74, please please contact kkeene asap! Hopefully erik will see that you're looking for him.
Also, could you please e-mail me off-the-board about something totally different when you get a chance - no hurry.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Sun, 03/13/2005 - 1:01am
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We have just exhausted our supply of Smarties, Aero, KitKats and Coffee Crisps. I long ago lost the email of the wonderful Lynn who was sending me my Canadian goodies. If anyone is willing to ship to me, please let me know!
Thanks!!!
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Posted on: Sun, 03/13/2005 - 10:17am
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Hi Susan,
You have mail [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Mon, 03/14/2005 - 1:33am
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Momma2boys, your e-mail is not in your profile. Please e-mail me. My girls like the kit kats, aero caramel, and smarties (not the sundae ones). Can you help with any of those?
Rachel

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Rae, I'm sorry the only ones of the three I can get are Aero Caramel. If you want I can get them for you unless you want to wait for someone who can get you all three.
Let me know and I will email you if you want them.

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