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Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 1:15am
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Smack,
Sorry to hear that you were taken advantage of ... that stinks. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Cindy's right, I HAVE gone to the trouble of pricing things out ahead of time. What I do when I get a referral from Cindy is this:
- I write to the American who is inquiring to let them know we've been matched up. At that time, I attach a list of products that I know I can buy at my local Costco. I include the Canadian dollar price AND the American dollar price.
- At that point I tell them straight up that if they want anything, they have to forward me their money for the PRODUCT ONLY. Once I receive their cheque and I'm sure that it has cleared, I will go purchase the product.
- I will ship it to them out of my own pocket, and then I sit back and hope that they will forward me the shipping costs. I decided to do it this way because it's a leap of faith on the part of both parties. One of us will be out of pocket at some point, either way. They are taking a risk by sending me their money and counting on me to return some product to them. Then I take a risk by paying their shipping out of pocket.
I have to admit that I have made exceptions to this for people that I have been buying for regularly, every year for three years. I know they're "good" for it! LOL!
So far I have not had a single person default on what they owe me, and I estimate I've shipped about 50 various packages to about 20 different people. Beyond that, I've had a couple families do me some extremely nice favors, as Cindy mentioned. (Last year, one mom played Santa for me, buying my daughter a doll that wasn't available in Canada. She also bought me some craft supplies in exchange for Smarties once! Another family sent me some beautiful hand-made cards. One lady ALWAYS sends me something hand-crafted as her thank you.) All in all, it's been an excellent experience for me and my kids, and I have met some really nice people "down south" and my kids are better people knowing that PA stretches across all borders.
But I have to say, one of the best and most unexpected benefits of this is the amount of education re: PA that I have been able to do. When I'm buying such huge quantities of candies, I ALWAYS get questions from the people at Costco and the people at the post office. Now everybody gets an earful about peanut allergies and labelling!!!!! LOL!
Anyway Smack, it's probably no comfort to know that you did something nice but if you believe in karma, you'll have the favor returned in some way, at some point, somehow ...

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 1:19am
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Smack,
Sorry to hear that you were taken advantage of ... that stinks. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Cindy's right, I HAVE gone to the trouble of pricing things out ahead of time. What I do when I get a referral from Cindy is this:
- I write to the American who is inquiring to let them know we've been matched up. At that time, I attach a list of products that I know I can buy at my local Costco. I include the Canadian dollar price AND the American dollar price.
- At that point I tell them straight up that if they want anything, they have to forward me their money for the PRODUCT ONLY. Once I receive their cheque and I'm sure that it has cleared, I will go purchase the product.
- I will ship it to them out of my own pocket, and then I sit back and hope that they will forward me the shipping costs. I decided to do it this way because it's a leap of faith on the part of both parties. One of us will be out of pocket at some point, either way. They are taking a risk by sending me their money and counting on me to return some product to them. Then I take a risk by paying their shipping out of pocket.
I have to admit that I have made exceptions to this for people that I have been buying for regularly, every year for three years. I know they're "good" for it! LOL!
So far I have not had a single person default on what they owe me, and I estimate I've shipped about 50 various packages to about 20 different people. Beyond that, I've had a couple families do me some extremely nice favors, as Cindy mentioned. (Last year, one mom played Santa for me, buying my daughter a doll that wasn't available in Canada. She also bought me some craft supplies in exchange for Smarties once! Another family sent me some beautiful hand-made cards. One lady ALWAYS sends me something hand-crafted as her thank you.) All in all, it's been an excellent experience for me and my kids, and I have met some really nice people "down south" and my kids are better people knowing that PA stretches across all borders.
But I have to say, one of the best and most unexpected benefits of this is the amount of education re: PA that I have been able to do. When I'm buying such huge quantities of candies, I ALWAYS get questions from the people at Costco and the people at the post office. Now everybody gets an earful about peanut allergies and labelling!!!!! LOL!
Anyway Smack, it's probably no comfort to know that you did something nice but if you believe in karma, you'll have the favor returned in some way, at some point, somehow ...

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 1:53am
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Did the person in question post again (after recieving the goods)? Do we know if this person is alive even? Call me gullible, and I probably am wrong, (i have been before) but the possiblility of stuff like that haunts me.

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 1:58am
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Hey guys,
Thanks erik, Cindy and teacher!
Live and Learn but this hasn't scared me from ever sending smarties or choc.bars again, I'll just take your advice and ask for the money upfront [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
Who knows if the person is really a Mom of a pa child but even if she was just a Mom and her kids are having a great time with the Smarties I sent, I'm happy with that!
Have a Great day and don't feel bad for me, it's my fault that I'm out $16.00 and I only would look at it that way if I [b]knew[/b] for sure this person isn't who she claims to be.

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 1:59am
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Just read your post MB and this person never posted after sending me her address.
I e-mailed her twice to let her know I mailed the Smarties and after to ask her if she recieved them.
I hope nothing that tragic happened to her, but it could be something like that...you just never know.
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Gotta add:
It would be hard to believe someone would risk their reputation (even if only an "on-line" moniker, for the price of a case of Smarties.
Reputations, IMPHPO, are [i]priceless[/i].
Are we sure this person is able to respond?

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 2:08am
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MB,
I totally agree with you.
But, if they did risk their reputation for a box of Smarties....it's kind of funny [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
I have a feeling something happened in the family, maybe we should ask Sarah
(williamsmummy)
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Quote:Originally posted by smack:
[b]
But, if they did risk their reputation for a box of Smarties....it's kind of funny [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] [/b]
Almost too funny to be true. But hopefully true, as opposed to the possibility of tragic events. I'd venture to say you would too. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
Quote:Originally posted by smack:
[b]
I have a feeling something happened in the family, maybe we should ask Sarah
(williamsmummy)
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Pssssssst. Clue me in. Why williamsmummy? OOOOOOOOOO. I'm getting that "lost" feeling. ICK ICK, [i]acky[/i] [b]poooooooooey![/b] (Hate it when that happens.) [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 2:34am
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Hi Momma Bear,
Yes, that's a good point that maybe the person is not able to respond. Or maybe they are ill? Let's hope we see them posting again soon and we find out what happened.
Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]It would be hard to believe someone would risk their reputation (even if only an "on-line" moniker, for the price of a case of Smarties. ? [/b]
Maybe you are being too optimistic about human behavior. In general (not talking about this example), people are willing to risk a lot. I have heard of people shooting convenience store clerks to death for a few packs of cigarettes. Some people are not like the rest of us.

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 2:43am
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]
Maybe you are being too optimistic about human behavior.
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If you knew how much I valued a "good reputation" you might not think so. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] But ya. I get your point. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
I've done a search and read some of the 32 posts (to date) listed under "Shea's mom". Doesn't really sound like a person I would not *personally* be optimistic about. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]. But, hey, I could be wrong. It [b]has[/b] on occasion happened before. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] (Being wrong, and all).

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Quote:Pssssssst. Clue me in. Why williamsmummy? OOOOOOOOOO. I'm
getting that "lost" feeling. ICK ICK, acky poooooooooey! (Hate it
when that happens.)
Go to OT, sarah is into tarot reading..come on MB don't tell me you missed that! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Quote:Originally posted by smack:
[b] Go to OT, sarah is into tarot reading..come on MB don't tell me you missed that! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
[/b]
[b]O.[/b] [i]thaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.[/i] Actually, yeah, that one flew right over my head. oooooooooooooyuckkyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Like I said. [i]hate it when that happens[/i]. But, ya. clicked on the thread once a little back thinking it was maybe a humorous writing Williams mummy is so good for. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] (Will admit it took me a few days).
It was like: "GET ME OUT OF THIS THREAD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE -- FLEE."
I have an aversion to the dark arts. Or at least I think I would. No curiosity so to speak of. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]Or at least my "intuition" counteracts it. Which is amazing for me. [i]The devil that you [b]don't[/b] know, and all that.[/i] [b]Call me chicken.[/b]

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 8:37am
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Smack, I would love to send you $ and a thank you for some Smarties. Or, anyone else, for that matter. We have been anxiously waited to get some cool weather so they won't melt. We are finally expecting some this week! Please e-mail me.
Rachel

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 8:53am
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smack, can I consider you matched with rae? I will personally vouch for rae. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
teacher, thank-you for taking the time to explain to everyone, since you are the main supplier in this thread, how you work with people.
As I've pointed out, I co-ordinate the thread, which usually manages to co-ordinate itself, so really no big deal, simply because I'm not able to do what other Canadians were/are doing.
But I do remember a couple of times when we lived in the one horse town. There was only one post office and you had to go there to mail anything. I had the experience of mailing Smarties to America a couple of times from there, and, as you said, teacher, it was always a point where one could educate re PA. I remember the women in the post office being really surprised that Americans with PA couldn't buy Smarties and it was very interesting.
I've only done one shipment since moving here, I believe, and because it isn't a one horse town (perhaps 10 instead?), there hasn't been the education part to it that there was in the other town.
But I do know that fabulous friendships can be made both in this thread and also the PA Penpals thread (as well as just off-the-board contact in general) and your children really do begin to understand that they are not alone with their allergy, that in some cases, like with Smarties, they are actually fortunate because their American buddies can't buy them, and just a really good feeling all together.
It was another member on this board who sent me her child's picture what seems like years ago. It was the first picture of another PA child that Jesse had ever seen. It was another member on this board who came to visit us here and whose child was the first PA child that Jesse actually met. This board continues to me, to be amazing.
smack, let me know what you think about the match with rae. Otherwise, teacher, you'll be hearing from me. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 8:55am
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I was supposed to be matched with ALlergymom but it hasnt happened yet.
In fact, I'm no longer sure if I'm waiting after her, or her after me.
Allergymom, you still around in this thread? I'm waiting for your zip code and order to calculate cost+shipping.

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 9:06am
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Smack,
I'm sorry that you never received a thank you reply. Seems really strange to me that someone wouldn't send a thank you!! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
It's a blessing to be able to get Canadian chocolate (as I have recently been blessed by Syd's Mom for thanking me for helping her out with a music mystery).

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Quote:Originally posted by e-mom:
[b]It's a blessing to be able to get Canadian chocolate (as I have recently been blessed by Syd's Mom for thanking me for helping her out with a music mystery).
[/b]
Don't get too blessed. Just put that one box where you won't think about much. Affix a label: "MOMMABEAR'S" to it, and let's hope GNO 2 is before the end of the year. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 11:06am
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Sad as this is, we live about 1 hour 15 minutes from the Canadian border but have yet to get over there to get safe candy.
Well my mom is going over next weekend and finally getting candy for ds. When I told him about all the stuff he was like "And I can eat it?!!!!". He was so excited. So what I am asking is what does she need to look for? And how much is it, etc.
Does it just say Nestle Canada on the label? Do most of the drugstores, etc. carry the bags of 100? And Cindy or teacher, you said you had been pricing, could you give me an idea of the price so I can figure out how many to get and how much money it will cost? How about the shelf life on this stuff? Not that it will last long.
Thanks to anyone who can help! We're so excited!

Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 12:06pm
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momma2boys, most of the drug stores and grocery stores and stores like Zellers, Costco and Walmart carry the Nestle line of "safe" chocolates. They're called Nestle Favourites and include Smarties, Aero, KitKat and Coffee Crisp for sure, not sure if the Mirage bar is in with the Favourites or not. This is really a good question for The Candy Guru.
I recently got a 12 pack of minis for $1.87 plus applicable taxes of 15% I believe since candy isn't considered an essential food item, Canadian dollars of course.
The shelf life, as advised by Nestle Canada is one year.
teacher probably has a better idea of better prices available at Costco for really BIG boxes.
I saw a GIANT KitKat bar in the grocery store recently (and I do mean giant) for Christmas for $8.99. However, I didn't check the labeling to see if it was safe (something to do with not wanting to draw my children's attention to it at the time [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] ).
If your Mom doesn't make it up here, please just post and we can certainly get you matched and safe chocolate sent your way, not a problem.
darthcleo, I haven't seen ALLERGYMOM posting lately either. Just like Maryl who posted that she did want Smarties but I haven't been able to contact her because no e-mail address available. Hmm.....
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Sun, 11/23/2003 - 10:35pm
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Rachel,
I sent you a quick e-mail.
MB,
I really don't believe in tarot cards(I think it's a load of crap actually)but all in good fun on williamummy's part, and of course your going to get hits and misses because sometimes life is all about coincidences. I don't think of it as the Devil's work though either, I think of it as a form of amusement & entertainment.
e-mom,
I'm over the not getting a "Thank-you", but Thank you [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

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Quote:Originally posted by smack:
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I don't think of it as the Devil's work though either, I think of it as a form of amusement & entertainment.
[/b]
[b]Still.[/b] I am a chicken. [i]Brock. brock.[i]. (stray feathers here and there).

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Thanks for the e-mail, Smack. Thanks for the vote of confidence, Cindy. We look forward to the shipment - Smack will make a good Santa.
Rachel

Posted on: Mon, 11/24/2003 - 4:51am
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smack, thank-you, especially since you just got over an unfortunate incident for being in contact with rae. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I really appreciate it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
[b]momma2boys, most of the drug stores and grocery stores and stores like Zellers, Costco and Walmart carry the Nestle line of "safe" chocolates. They're called Nestle Favourites and include Smarties, Aero, KitKat and Coffee Crisp for sure, not sure if the Mirage bar is in with the Favourites or not. This is really a good question for The Candy Guru.[/b]
Hi Cindy,
The Nestle Favourites do not contain Mirage. I think this is because a mini-Aero bar would be identical to a mini-Mirage bar. In fact, the Mirage is very similar to an Aero Chunky bar.
Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
[b]I saw a GIANT KitKat bar in the grocery store recently (and I do mean giant) for Christmas for $8.99. However, I didn't check the labeling to see if it was safe [/b]
Yes, it is safe and it is made in the same Toronto facility that makes the regular Kit Kats. Rather than being one large Kit Kats, it is a really long package which has several Kit Kats inside (It looks like one long Kit Kat bar).
And I had a busy weekend celebrating my brother's birthday and going out for Nancy's friend's birthday and many other things so that's why I have been absent recently (I wasn't in Las Vegas as was suggested [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] )

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Posted on: Sun, 11/30/2003 - 3:06am
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Hi Cindy and everyone, I have some bad news for all you smartie traders... first let me preface by saying that i didnt check the above posts to see if anyone else has mentioned this yet.
My wife, who work is a customs manager for a major courier, informed me today that as of December 12, the USA will no longer allow food shipments from one private party to another without going thru a hoop of paperwork and approvals. She actually gave me the example of how we sent some fellow pa family in the USA some smarties in the past, and how now we won't easily be able to do that.
I suggest, that anyone looking for xmas shipment had better do it before the 12.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

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redtruck, even if it's pre-packaged food like the Smarties are? It's not like we're sending fruit and vegetables which we're not *supposed* to into America.
Is the decision of the Canadian or American governments or both?
Is there any information on a government website about this?
How would anyone know that you were sending down food?
I can't remember when I sent the Smarties into America if I put it was food or a gift.
Man, what a drag. This could actually kill the Smarties thread. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Sun, 11/30/2003 - 6:52am
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Yes, this only applies to prepackaged food, not homemade food. My wife will check for the website on monday at work and then i'll let you know. yes i know it can kill this thread. I couldnt believe it myself, thought that it didnt make logical sense for prepackaged foods, but apparently that the way it is. It is an American law from Homeland Security.

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well.. if you just write "a gift" on the customs form maybe you can still mail candy - I can't see them opening up every package when there are millions of packages in the system.
What is the Homeland Security Dept concerned about anyway? How does it protect Americans by banning imports of food such as Smarties from Canada??

Posted on: Sun, 11/30/2003 - 11:13am
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redtruck, I'll anxiously await the news you're able to post when you can. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img] I know that when an American friend of mine sent us a package, not only did she include clothing but also Sixlets and other American "safe" Canadian but also a box of Kellogg's Frosted Flakes, which are "safe" in America but not here. Now, that was quite some time ago.
I've certainly received enough food products from American friends, mostly Sixlets. I've also received Vermont Nut Free.
One other time I received Vermont Nut Free it was sent right from Vermont Nut Free with a gift tag from the person who sent it, so that kind of shipment would still be okay, company to person, obviously.
This is extremely disheartening.
I wonder what hoops we would have to jump through exactly to get product into American.
I think, speaking only for myself, and not encouraging anyone else to do the same, I'd mark it as a gift and not food and see what happened.
erik, who knows what the Americans are worried about with shipments coming from the Canadian border, but I guess they do have cause to be afraid of what is crossing the border these days (not that they haven't had cause for a very long time - shipments both ways).
Oh well, let's see what happens and how strict the new guidelines are going to be.
Perhaps we could use this information to finally get Nestle Canada to wake up and smell the coffee and see what a market they have in America (teacher can certainly attest to that, among others).
How sad. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Sun, 11/30/2003 - 11:16am
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Now I have this vision of Constable Fraser from the defunct tv show Due South being assigned border duty, and his dog-wolf Dief having to sniff out all the Smarties boxes!!
Anyone remember that show?

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Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
[b]Perhaps we could use this information to finally get Nestle Canada to wake up and smell the coffee and see what a market they have in America (teacher can certainly attest to that, among others).
[/b]
Hi Cindy,
Nestle Canada has tried to have Nestle USA to sell their chocolate bars in the USA.... but Nestle USA says they are not interested. So we need Nestle USA to wake up.
Yes.. I'd be tempted to mail the Smarties in and mark "a gift". What if u take a vacation to the USA? Are they going to stop cars at the border and ask people to declare their boxes of Smarties?

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I'll should get more info for you tomorrow. Erik, i'm sure you can bring in the food if youre crossing the border, and this has only to do with shipping to the US of prepackaged food, vitamins, etc. And i dont think marking gift is going to cut it. but let me get more info for you first. And yes, it can still be shipped with the proper procedures. more info to follow.

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thanks redtruck [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Mon, 12/01/2003 - 4:28am
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Well, if it can still be shipped, maybe the thread is still safe, depending on the details. Thank-you, redtruck. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Isn't there some big issue right now about Americans ordering prescription drugs on-line from Canadian pharmacies to the point where we don't have enough pharmaceuticals ourselves? I wonder if it has something to do with that (not that we're getting low on the Smarties supply, but just to make a point).
I'm trying to remember when rilira sent me the Tylenol PM from the U.S. years ago what she marked on the package (of course I'll never remember [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] ) but I certainly don't think she put medication on the package but a gift.
Thank-you, erik, for the correction re Nestle USA. Perhaps it's time for Americans to rally and TAKE ACTION with Nestle USA and say, hey, we want the "safe" products that our friends, the Canadians have. I'd be willing to write to them. Do we have Americans willing to write to them?
Speaking of Nestle, reminded of mouldly dog food, have to call Purina Canada, which is owned, curiously enough, by Nestle.
redtruck, please keep us posted. If it simply means more forms to fill out and no additional charge, the thread may be saved.
Also, it is good to see you posting (even if it is crappy news). [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Tue, 12/02/2003 - 3:16am
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Ok, finally got the info. Below are two links that explains the info...
[url="http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fsbtac13.html"]http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fsbtac13.html[/url]
[url="http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/03-25877.htm"]http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/03-25877.htm[/url]
I also heard the same info on the radio today.
Partial info from first link:
The Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002 (the Bioterrorism Act) requires that FDA receive prior notice of food imported into the United States, beginning on December 12, 2003. Most of the prior notice information required by the interim final rule is data usually provided by importers or brokers to the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) when foods arrive in the United States. Now, the Bioterrorism Act requires that this information also be provided to FDA in advance of an imported food's arrival to the United States. FDA will use this information in advance of the arrival to review, evaluate, and assess the information, and determine whether to inspect the imported food. FDA and CBP have collaborated on the implementation of the prior notice interim final rule. Nearly all of the current imported food shipments can comply by using CBP's Automated Broker Interface of the Automated Commercial System (ABI/ACS). Prior notice can be submitted either through ABI/ACS or FDA's Prior Notice (PN) System Interface beginning December 12, 2003.
When must prior notice be submitted? Prior notice must be received and confirmed electronically by FDA no more than 5 days before arrival and, as specified by the mode of transportation below, no fewer than:
2 hours before arrival by land by road
4 hours before arrival by air or by land by rail
8 hours before arrival by water
The time consistent with the timeframe established for the mode of transportation for an article of food carried by or otherwise accompanying an individual if it is subject to prior notice (The food must also be accompanied by the FDA confirmation.)
In addition, prior notice must be received and confirmed electronically by FDA before food is mailed by international mail. (The parcel must be accompanied by confirmation of FDA receipt of prior notice.)

Posted on: Tue, 12/02/2003 - 7:04am
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Sounds like a dead thread to me. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Tue, 12/02/2003 - 7:09am
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Me too [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 12/02/2003 - 8:08am
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I think it might be worth contacting the FDA, explaining the situation, and see what they have to say.
It cant hurt.

Posted on: Tue, 12/02/2003 - 8:22am
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Is it possible that with further clarification, the shipping of small quantities of candy for friends for personal use might fall under these exceptions?
"What foods are excluded from the prior notice requirement? Foods that are excluded from the prior notice requirement are: (1) food carried by or otherwise accompanying an individual arriving in the United States for that individual's personal use (i.e., for consumption by themselves, family, or friends, and not for sale or other distribution); (2) food that is exported without leaving the port of arrival until export; (3) meat food products, poultry products and egg products that are subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) under the Federal Meat Inspection Act, the Poultry Products Inspection Act, or the Egg Products Inspection Act; and (4) food that was made by an individual in his/her personal residence and sent by that individual as a personal gift (i.e., for non-business reasons) to an individual in the United States."
I copied it off the website(the first link).
becca

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That does say "food CARRIED by" -- doesn't that imply you can carry it over the border but not SHIP it or MAIL it? That was my interpretation.

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How is sending a box of Smarties to a friend for personal use considered a threat to the well being of Americans??? Why is the Department of Homeland Security worried about this. If the delivery is a gift for the persoanl use of your friend, how could it be a threat??? Maybe they should spend more time making airplanes safe (haven't box cutters been sneaked on several flights in the past year?) rather than wasting effort on threats that are not threads.
If I mail a box of Smarties to Becca as an example, how could this possibly be any threat to Americans? I don't understand how this could be a threat to the American public.

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Sorry guys for the bad news, however, if nothing else, anyone wanting to send some to the US should send them before the 12th to make it easier. Just thought you'd all want to know about this before you go out and buy smarties to find out you have to go thru all this to send them! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 12/02/2003 - 12:34pm
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An American friend suggested to me that they are probably worried about and searching for over-the-counter drugs. There are so many things that we can get here OTC that Americans have to buy by prescription only ... it's a big underground thing! I have to admit, I sent someone some Allegra once and labelled it as "candy"! LOL (Gee, hope I'm not to blame for the whole crackdown! LOL!)

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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[i]Maybe they should spend more time making airplanes safe (haven't box cutters been sneaked on several flights in the past year?) rather than wasting effort on [b]threats [/b] that are not [b]threads[/b].
[/i]
freudian slip? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by MarbleEye (edited December 02, 2003).]

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Quote:Originally posted by MarbleEye:
[b] freudian slip? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
[/b]
haha... you caught me Momma Bear! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] I didn't even notice I had typed [i]threads[/i]

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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] haha... you caught me Momma Bear! [/b]
who? what? where? |:~)

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Quote:Originally posted by MarbleEye:
[b]
who? what? where? |:~)[/b]
when, why ... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] hehe

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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] when, why ... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] hehe[/b]
[i]whatever...........[/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 12/03/2003 - 12:39am
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becca, I appreciated your posting. I'm wondering what this line means:-
food that is exported without leaving the port of arrival until export;
See, I was correct perhaps, as teacher posted. There was something in the news recently about Americans ordering prescription (never mind OTC) medications from Canada. I know, for example, that Tylenol #1 you cannot get in the U.S. without a prescription, but you can here. And even though the dose of codeine is pretty low, it's still a narcotic.
It would be nice to think that there is a way around this but I honestly can't see it, except if someone can explain that one phrase I took out of becca's post.
Also, what I found interesting is that you can send homemade stuff into the U.S. still without a problem. Why is homemade stuff not considered a security risk? If I can even stretch my imagination that far, I would think that homemade things could have the potential to be more harmful than something that is purchased that has been pre-packaged (although I don't really know how, again stretching the imagination quite some).
And as erik pointed out, what does this all have to do with Homeland Security? What does sending Smarties, or even low doses of narcotics (or antihistamines, teacher) have to do with the security of the American people? I don't get it.
momma2boys, good idea. Are they fairly easy to contact?
I'm sad right now and don't want to deal with it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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