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[This message has been edited by PAandF (edited September 27, 2004).]

On Sep 27, 2004

Thank you for the information. Peg

On Sep 27, 2004

Hope to see you there Peg.

On Sep 30, 2004

Guess all the invitations were sent and here I find myself missing out again.

It's starting to feel like all those birthday parties I wasn't invited to.

Oh well, maybe someone will decide to sit with me at lunch.

[This message has been edited by Cedar (edited September 30, 2004).]

On Sep 30, 2004

Hey Cedar - your welcome at my table. (No sesame seeds though, OK? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] )

You might not like what I had for breakfast - but lunch is actually looking pretty good.

Pull up a chair. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

On Sep 30, 2004

PA and F,

I'd love to check out your new message board, but you've removed the address [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] How can I find you now? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

Seriously though, I think that we ALL benefit from being part of a community with a large number of people. The larger the number, the better IMHO. That way, when we have a question, we have an opportunity to get diverse opinions that help us make up our own minds. Or, we find someone that has experienced something similar, and we don't feel so alone.

Just like the real world, people are going to argue. Hey, we post how we don't get along with family members, so why would we always expect to get along with strangers over email????

IMO, if you don't like a thread, then stay out of it. However, if the thread gets really nasty and out of hand (like a few lately) then I think it does us all damage.

We've had a few non-PA moms coming here for information and who knows who else checks in. So when things start to get out of hand, and we're not putting our best "face" out there, it would be great if the fight could continue and hopefully get resolved really quickly [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] off the board.

We don't want to give any more credibility to the crazy peanut mom impression out there.

To all you guys that have gone away, please come back. The board is too quiet. I'm going to have to start obsessing to my dh again (LOL) since there are so few posts.

We all benefit from each other's stories and experiences. We're stronger as one large, dysfunctional family [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] then we are in smaller fragmented groups.

That's it. I'm done with the babble for today.

------------------ Meg, mom to: Matt 2 yrs. PA,MA,EA Sean 2 yrs. NKA

On Sep 30, 2004

Meg, You "winking" to PFandA.

How should I take that? I don't know why you are winking. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

Is it because you already know the answers you are asking?

"If" that is the case, with courtesy extended to you, that is like teasing someone. Already feeling left out, I don't want to feel teased too. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

And your comments of making trouble here - "if" this was directed to me, with courtesy extended to you, please do a string search of my posts - I try my best to contribute where I can when I can but not here enough to be part of the invitations to chat boards it appears. I do not invite fights that I know of but please let me know if, when and where I have caused any problems as it certainly was never my intention to cause problems here. Gee whiz - I should have never come here today!

AnnMarie, Thank you for making me feel less of a social outcast.

Today I wish I had never logged on to the computer at all.

On Sep 30, 2004

Hey guys,

Don't worry - you're not the only one left out. I have been here for 5 years now. I NEVER am involved in those threads where people are rude/mean/vicious.

Maybe that IS my problem...I don't have the time to gossip, chat, or complain enough.

That is okay with me! I can spend the small amount of minutes I normally use researching info on my youngest son who possibly has "autism"...but I can't find a doctor to HELP me.

On Sep 30, 2004

my email is in my profile.

On Sep 30, 2004

Cedar,

Meg wasn't directing her post to you. She directed to the person that started this thread.

Don't worry Cedar, I didn't get an invitation either. That's A-OK with me, I've already done the "popular group" thing in high school. And you know what, it's not high school anymore. I like being me. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

I had a bagel with cream cheese and soybean butter for breakfast. Tall glass of milk, too. My lunch was just a turkey and cheese sandwich on whole wheat bread, some fruit, some pretzels and a caffeine-free diet coke.

Does that sound ok with you or are you a salad person? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] (Why do you think of yourself as an outcast [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/confused.gif[/img] ?)

[This message has been edited by e-mom (edited September 30, 2004).]

On Sep 30, 2004

Removed.

[This message has been edited by Cindia (edited October 07, 2004).]

On Sep 30, 2004

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Originally posted by Cedar: [b]Meg, You "winking" to PFandA.

How should I take that? I don't know why you are winking. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

Is it because you already know the answers you are asking?

"If" that is the case, with courtesy extended to you, that is like teasing someone. Already feeling left out, I don't want to feel teased too. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

And your comments of making trouble here - "if" this was directed to me, with courtesy extended to you, please do a string search of my posts - I try my best to contribute where I can when I can but not here enough to be part of the invitations to chat boards it appears. I do not invite fights that I know of but please let me know if, when and where I have caused any problems as it certainly was never my intention to cause problems here. Gee whiz - I should have never come here today!

[/b]

Yikes! Cedar, sorry. None of that was directed at you. E-mom was right, it was directed at the person who started the post and then deleted the address. The nastiness I was referring to was to all the crazy posts we've had, and had nothing whatsover to do with you.

This is a perfect example of how easy it is to miscommunicate over the internet. Sorry again for the misunderstanding.

------------------ Meg, mom to: Matt 2 yrs. PA,MA,EA Sean 2 yrs. NKA

On Sep 30, 2004

Meg, I just need to let you know I'm tossing a bouquet of thanks your way for answering me and not being upset with me asking my questions.

I was feeling so miserable feeling left out of chatting with others about this allergy.

I really don't know why I was feeling the way I was. I'm not on this board often enough so I shouldn't expect to get an invite. I shouldn't pout about it when I am left out, and I should come check in more often.

Thank you for understanding that misunderstandings happen and that you don't hold it against me.

I look forward to seeing your postings in the future.

Cindia, Thank you for posting the link.

E-mom, Thank you helping clear up the misunderstanding I had with Meg. Anyone who drinks pop from the gold cans is cool with me.

MommaBear, I took my email off the display feature a few months after I signed on board. You may be on to something as the board owners here did use to send me food alert notifications in the past, and maybe this is how they sent notification of this new chat link.

Naer74, I truly hope you find a wonderful md/specialist for your son. I know there is a doctors thread board here and maybe someone has some great recommendations for you.

Cindia, Did you get a chance to check out the new chat board? Is it ok and something others are signing in and chatting?

Thank you for everyone putting up with me being such a pouter today. I usually don't mind being the lone wolf but it's always nice to have a few friendly faces stop by and join me for lunch.

[This message has been edited by Cedar (edited September 30, 2004).]

On Sep 30, 2004

Everybody from here is welcome to come check us out. We are not trying to take away from this site, only to provide another option.

I will explain to anybody that emails me the reason the link was removed. It was not because the invitation was no longer being offered.

I see no reason why people cannot be part of two wonderful boards. Some people prefer rules other people dont.

As The site is still new, it will take a little while for the community to get underway, but we are getting there.

As the site gets bigger, we will need more moderators, and everybody will be given the opportunity to apply. The Managers are not chosen by favorites or cliques. A variety of personalities will be chosen if for nothing else than to keep the checks and balances in order.

After something was brought to my attention about leaving the link, I chose to remove it. We had hoped that word would get out through emails and such.

Sorry for any confusion.

On Sep 30, 2004

As PAandF basically stated, this was not an invitation only website. It was a link that was posted on PA.com for people to check out. PAandF has said that they will explain why the link was removed from this board should anyone care to know.

It is also not solely a chat room, but a whole discussion board. It is very similar to this board except that there are stricter rules and there are moderators.

As PAandF stated people can be members of both boards. Being a member of one doesn't disqualify you for membership at the other.

I didn't receive an invitation. I saw the link when it was posted here on Monday and joined.

On Sep 30, 2004

I also do not understand the upset that has been caused by a new community being set up. I have never read anything here against POFAK and there are many members here who are POFAK members too. The new discussion board is that - a new discussion board and not meant to take away from PA.com.

On Sep 30, 2004

In my best Homer Simpson voice...

Mmmmmmmm.... Bagels.....

Jason

On Sep 30, 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by JustaThought: [b]I also do not understand the upset that has been caused by a new community being set up. I have never read anything here against POFAK and there are many members here who are POFAK members too. The new discussion board is that - a new discussion board and not meant to take away from PA.com.[/b]

In my best Jewish Homer Simpson Voice...

Mmmm....... Bagels and Pofax.... Mmmmmmmmm

Jason

On Sep 30, 2004

In my most encouraging Greek shout,(bazouki in background)

[b]YASSOU!!![/b]

On Sep 30, 2004

PA and F, Sorry for mixing up your name earlier.

Thank you for coming back into here to clarify.

Mumbling to myself 'What the heck is a POFAK anyways?' Probably best not to ask today though.

Thanks for everyone making me feel welcome here and abroad so to speak.

On Sep 30, 2004

Hi Cedar,

Glad you haven't left us. I have introduced myself on the other site. I have checked out most all of the threads. I think it is too restrictive. Posts are deleted on the whim of the moderator. I don't think they have a clear view of what a moderator is supposed to do.

It is like having your mother censor your mail. You can't stray off a bit or your post will be deleted, sometimes without explanation. You are not allowed to talk about politics or religion even in off topic section. Also, you may not start a post with "um" (which is just kinda bizarre) or double post.

I guess, then that the main problem I have with it is that the moderators are not moderate.

The discussions are pretty parallel. The threads even have the same titles.

I think I will stay here. Cindia

On Sep 30, 2004

Cindia, please email me, there is a reason the posts were removed, and the reason couldnt be given on the board... it is the same reason the link was removed here. It has to do with a persons safety and I will happily explain it to you in an email.

Again.. the invitation is open to [b]everyone[/b]

Hope this clears up any miscommunications.

edited to remove the rules out of respect for a member who did not see why they should be posted here. Sorry for the intrusion.

[This message has been edited by PAandF (edited September 30, 2004).]

On Sep 30, 2004

Cindia, if this board is your only experience with message boards, I can understand why the rules seem restrictive. I have been on other boards that are heavily moderated, and these rules are very mild in comparison. The reason for the "um" rule is just as it states: every post that starts with "um" is the start of a snotty post, and if your rules are trying to prevent snotty posts, then it's a good rule. If you don't care about snotty posts, then it's not a rule that you need. We would like to prevent them if at all possible.

The rules are there; everyone knows about them. They are not going to be enforced capriciously, because they are the same for everyone, moderators included.

Again, everybody's welcome.

On Sep 30, 2004

My wife is an attorney and doesn't believe that the soliciting going on here is legal.

You may want to be careful.

On Sep 30, 2004

choguy, I am an atty also, although I am not offering legal advice in any capacity. Could you please explain why your wife thinks soliciting is happening here, and why it would be illegal in any manner whatsoever even if it were?

I would add that in my (nonlegal) opinion, we are members of this board, it is a public forum for members to post whatever they wish, and there are no rules against mentioning other websites. I have been on other sites that do have rules against that, but it is just that: a site rule, and I don't believe violating it is in any way illegal. If you violate it, you get banned, not thrown in jail.

On Sep 30, 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Kim M: [b]choguy[/b]

where is choguy's post?

On Sep 30, 2004

Cedar, POFAK - Parents of Food Allergic Kids. I think it is a Yahoo group.

On Sep 30, 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Kim M: [b]choguy, I am an atty also, although I am not offering legal advice in any capacity. Could you please explain why your wife thinks soliciting is happening here, and why it would be illegal in any manner whatsoever even if it were?

I would add that in my (nonlegal) opinion, we are members of this board, it is a public forum for members to post whatever they wish, and there are no rules against mentioning other websites. I have been on other sites that do have rules against that, but it is just that: a site rule, and I don't believe violating it is in any way illegal. If you violate it, you get banned, not thrown in jail.[/b]

First, I'll correct you by saying that I'm not choguy.

Second, my wife didn't say that what you are doing is illegal and thus you will go to jail! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] What she said was she doesn't believe that the soliciting going on here is legal. She doesn't know the Policy at PA.COM, she never said she did. She gave me a brief example of what would constitute as soliciting:

"Soliciting

A message is soliciting if it urges, entices, or expects the recipient to take some action as a result of reading the message. This would include advertising, marketing, recruiting, and other such messages."

My wife also said that any attorney would already know this.

I never mentioned posting links to other websites. I was discussing the soliciting. If you have a site that is going to help everyone here, then post it.

On Sep 30, 2004

cyberguy, the link is posted in this thread. Many helpful links have been posted on this website that PA.com members have been able to benefit from.

I understood it to be another place to visit re PA.

On Sep 30, 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Cedar: [b]MommaBear, I took my email off the display feature a few months after I signed on board. You may be on to something as the board owners here did use to send me food alert notifications in the past, and maybe this is how they sent notification of this new chat link.

[/b]

If it is, I don't know. I mean, [i]I didn't get an invite in my e-mail either[/i]. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]

On Oct 1, 2004

...and then the chicken says to the pig:

diaper??? I hardly her!

Jason

[This message has been edited by jtolpin (edited October 01, 2004).]

On Oct 1, 2004

Cyberguy, I'm truly sorry for messing up your name. The "guy" must have thrown me.

I really have no idea why your wife thinks what was posted here was not legal (and not sure of the distinction between illegal and not legal, but anyway). Is she thinking of anti-spam legislation? I'm really drawing a blank here, but I will do my own research. Thanks.

[This message has been edited by Kim M (edited October 01, 2004).]

On Oct 1, 2004

A [b]very[/b] important post got lost in this thread.

Quote:

Originally posted by MommaBear: [b]my email is in my profile.

[/b]

This message was to Naer74. [i]psssst. It's a good offer. I suggest you take her up on it. It's in regard to:[/i]

Quote:

Originally posted by Naer74: [b]That is okay with me! I can spend the small amount of minutes I normally use researching info on my youngest son who possibly has "autism"...but I can't find a doctor to HELP me. [/b]

[i]slinking back into the shadows....dragging my chair behind me[/i]

------------------ [b]***ADDICTED***[/b]

On Oct 1, 2004

I've been reading this site now for about 1 year and have found it to be very helpful. I hate to see another board started, because as a very busy working mom, I don't have time to read 2 sites frequently. It is unfortunate.

On Oct 1, 2004

Suzy Q, I truly believe that you will still be able to get the help you need here. Please stick around. There are so many of us who will still be here to help everyone and get help ourselves.

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Miriam

On Oct 1, 2004

AnnaMarie-

Thanks for your help! It could have easily gotten lost in the midst of so much chaos...escpecially since I planned on staying away from this website for several days.

I emailed MB last night and am waiting to hear back from her. I hope the email made sense, not too many spelling errors, because I had a horrible day yesterday. This is quite overwhelming.

On Oct 1, 2004

Naer74,

[i]I didn't get the email......[/i]

my email address is so similiar to my UserName, but is "Mo[i]ther[/i]Bear9599" [b]not[/b] "Mo[i]mma[/i]Bear 9599". It is usually confused with my name. I know, I should have been clearer. Try:

[email]MotherBear9599@hotmail.com[/email]

(my apologies, I am so sorry I wasn't clearer)

edit to bold and italicize

ps.....[i]Thank you AnnaMarie.[/i]

[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited October 01, 2004).]

On Oct 1, 2004

Naer74,

[b]ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]

[i]when will I ever learn to check the other "inboxes"!!!!! the filter filed in a separate box. (kicking myself)[/i]

I found the email.. I will respond shortly.

apologies apologies apologies. (still kicking myself)

On Oct 1, 2004

Kim,

In case you didn't have time to do that research:

[url="http://www.ceag.cz/download/019_en.pdf"]http://www.ceag.cz/download/019_en.pdf[/url]

On Oct 1, 2004

cyberguy, PA.com is a company. The website link in this thread is to a discussion group run through the MSN groups and is not a company.

On Oct 2, 2004

Naer74,

this morning I received a "message has been delayed" reply from the *postmaster*. It states I need not resend the email.....

hopefully it goes through.

On Oct 3, 2004

MB,

I just wanted to let you know I received your e-mail and responded. Let me knowo if you got it. My comp. seems to be moving at a slow snail pace.

On Oct 3, 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Naer74: [b]MB,

I just wanted to let you know I received your e-mail and responded. Let me knowo if you got it. My comp. seems to be moving at a slow snail pace.[/b]

arg. no. sigh. (could you please resend? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] )

On Oct 3, 2004

I just got your resend............thank you!

I replied to the *original* one, thought you sent a *third*.

Also received *another* "delayed delivery* message, so my reply to the *original* should be on the way. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] (technology, huh?) [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

On Oct 3, 2004

MB, I still haven't received your reply. However, I emailed you with my #. Normally we are at co-op on Mondays but, because of the baby being ill, I will be home all day tomorrow. The older two will be going to co-op with a friend. Not sure if you have to work tomorrow, but if you don't and have a free minute or two, it would be a good day for me to talk.

On Oct 3, 2004

I received the email. Still trying to figure out the "delayed mail" type of message from the postmaster from the email I sent. Maybe my other email will still get to your email, but either way, can I call tomorrow at 10 am? I'm on central time (I think. lol) My youngest will still be home, I'd like you to hear him talk. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] He was nearly [b]4[/b] before he used words to communicate.

On Oct 4, 2004

Hey, my son was a late talker too. Almost 3. They're geniuses, you know.

I'm sort of kidding. But have you ever read the books by Thomas Sowell about late talkers?

On Oct 4, 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Sandra Y: [b]Hey, my son was a late talker too. Almost 3. They're geniuses, you know.[/b]

LOL. If I hear it once a day from my youngest, I hear it 10 times: [i][b]"Why won't you let me talk to people??!"[/b][/i] And, Yes, that *[b]is[/b]* in a demanding tone. Almost incredulous, even, that I don't let him talk to *everyone*. It's almost as if [i]he [/i]is looking at [i]me[/i] and thinking: "yeah. like [i]you[/i] should talk."

[b]I'm sort of kidding. But have you ever read the books by Thomas Sowell about late talkers?[/b]

Sowell, Sowell, [i]Sowell[/i]............... ah, yes, from the "Bush Thread", no? I think vharlow mentioned him once.

My experience in parenting is limited to two children, both "late talkers". With my youngest not talking until near his 4th birthday.

Anywhooooooo, it still surprises me when a very small child, let's say under two, utters a *word*. I mean, I sorta jump back. Maybe *to me* a little spooky. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] Even tho it is typically an *expected* thing to happen.

ps....I'm up late going through summer pics my oldest cub *needs* to take to art class today.......they are making a collage.

[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited October 04, 2004).]

On Oct 4, 2004

Hey, MB, go easy on Naer [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

On Oct 4, 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by MommaBear: [b]

Sowell, Sowell, [i]Sowell[/i]............... ah, yes, from the "Bush Thread", no? I think vharlow mentioned him once.

[/b]

Possibly. His books about late talkers weren't quite convincing from a scientific point of view, but his survey findings and anecdotal findings were really interesting to read. His son was typical of a certain type of late talker: high IQ, strong analytical thinker, early autistic-like traits that are largely outgrown once talking commences, late potty training, family history of musical/mathematical talent...a cluster of common traits that are pretty interesting if your kid fits the profile.

On Oct 4, 2004

MB,

Still haven't received your response. 10:00 is a great time for you to call. I've been up all night with the baby who is sick... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

My older two were early talkers. My oldest said his first word at 9 months, "diaper", and had a LARGE vocabulary by 1 yr of age. My middle also spoke early. They both are VERY advanced in all areas of development.

However, with my youngest, it isn't just the expressive speech that is my concern. He did not sit up until 10 months, didn't walk until 22 months, doesn't wave bye-bye. He has no receptive language either except with a few words. He finally understands the word "no, bite, daddy, & mommy". He doesn't point at things when we ask him where a dog is in a book, he can't follow instructions (bring me the ball), and he ignores us 80% of the time.

Looking forward to talking to you!

On Oct 4, 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Sandra Y: [b] Possibly. His books about late talkers weren't quite convincing from a scientific point of view, but his survey findings and anecdotal findings were really interesting to read. His son was typical of a certain type of late talker: high IQ, strong analytical thinker, early autistic-like traits that are largely outgrown once talking commences, late potty training, family history of musical/mathematical talent...a cluster of common traits that are pretty interesting if your kid fits the profile.[/b]

Sandra, the above description sounds EXACTLY like my second ds. Every single thing you mentioned--it's him. Think I might have to make a trip to the book store today. Hmmmmm.

On Oct 4, 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Sandra Y: [b] early autistic-like traits that are largely outgrown once talking commences[/b]

trying to figure out if I have *satisfied* this criteria....... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/redface.gif[/img]

I mean, people tell me I talk a lot.

On Oct 4, 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Sandra Y: [b] Possibly. His books about late talkers weren't quite convincing from a scientific point of view, but his survey findings and anecdotal findings were really interesting to read. His son was typical of a certain type of late talker: high IQ, strong analytical thinker, early autistic-like traits that are largely outgrown once talking commences, late potty training, family history of musical/mathematical talent...a cluster of common traits that are pretty interesting if your kid fits the profile.[/b]

I know. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] (had to come back to this, I was searching for the words).

I mean, as with many things, it's like a shotgun pattern (non-politically correct, but hey, can't think of anything else, slap me.). The closer to the target you get, the tighter the pattern. The farther away, the broader the distribution. I mean, does it all depends on how *specific or general* one wants to be? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Oct 4, 2004

Hi, MB. I bet you are still on the phone, hee, hee. I emailed you. Looking for a link you once sent me. Just thought I would catch you here if you do not check email alot. becca

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