Why NOT obtaining Section 504 for your child is a DISSERVICE to your child... Page 3

506 replies [Last post]
By kicks on Mon, 08-22-05, 18:56

I have been reading about wearing the epi-pen to school. My daughter (about to be 6 - 1st grade) curently has Red/White/Blue -purse bags - small with long strap - fits 2 epis /benadryl/medic alert card emergency plan etc. One is with the nurse, one with the homeroom teacher that goes with her from class to class. I have the epi-pen holder from FAAN. I am wondering if that isn't the smarter way to go - it would be on her vs. hanging at the entrance of the door. Is 6 too young to carry it on her?

Groups: None
By ryan's mom on Tue, 08-23-05, 10:44

kicks,

You know your child best, and can best comment on maturity level.

My son wore his epipen in an epibelt everyday at school since the first day of Kindergarten. He is starting 3rd grade next week. He is responsible and mature for his age. Has been that way since he was 5. Could he auto inject? That was not necessarily the issue at age 5. Just that he is to always have the epi on his body wherever he goes. Period. That's just the way it is.

We talk(ed) to him about the big responsibility of carrying an epipen. We request the principal to sit him down and discuss this issue with Ryan every year--do's/don'ts of carrying an epipen. He wears big shirts. Virtually none of his friends know he carries an epipen. No adults can really tell either unless they know.

As a boy, it is not a big social issue because it is hidden well under his clothes. It does not appear as a "badge" of difference for him. He was trained by mom and the principal from day one on what to say if someone noticed his epibelt and wanted to see what was inside. It has happened, and he has come through with flying colors.

IMO, you are the best person to decide if your child can carry the epipen successfully and safely. Our school nurse has mentioned to me that it is amazing what some of these young children can do under pressure. There are children that can successfully auto-inject, even in Kindergarten. My feeling is don't assume they can't do it (carry an epipen and auto-inject), but prepare them for the possibility that a reaction may occur and what to do about it. Empower them at a young age if they can handle it.

Groups: None
By synthia on Tue, 08-23-05, 15:45

Thanks ryan's mom for ...
Empower them at a young age if they can handle it.MommaBear thanks got to thinking about it and she has been asking ? and making statements.
I think now would good for me to let her read her 504 plan and get more input.
Thanks everyone!

------------------
Love this site
Synthia

[This message has been edited by synthia (edited August 23, 2005).]

__________________

Love this site
Synthia

Groups: None
By milizard on Mon, 08-29-05, 12:40

Reraising for Tina!

Groups: None
By synthia on Fri, 09-09-05, 20:34

Bingo!!
raising for a friend!
Ok slap me now!!

------------------
Love this site
Synthia

__________________

Love this site
Synthia

Groups: None
By Gail W on Sat, 09-10-05, 12:50

I'm still working with my School District, preparing for an overnight camp that is scheduled for the end of this month. Just a reminder~ we received 504 Designation last May, and worked with the SD over the summer to create an accommodation plan. DD started Middle School 3 weeks ago, and so we've had less than a month to implement the new accommodations in this new 504 Plan.

I'll put forward another "myth" and hope posters can agree or disagree with based on their own experiences with their child's 504 plans....

[b]Myth #20: Once you have been through the 504 Eligibility process and have obtained a 504 Designation and accommodation plan, your School District now "gets it" and understands your child's rights. [/b]

e-mom raises this in her thread called, "How Many People Have 504s or IEPs That Were Violated?" here: [url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001880.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001880.html[/url]

I'm not asserting that DD's 504 plan has actually been 'violated' at this time, but in the process of preparing for the overnight camp, the SD has made some verbal statements that indicate that they still do not understand my child's rights. One of those statements was that my daughter "could bring her own food if [i] was not comfortable with the camp's food". (That wouldn't necessarily meet a LRE. They are obligated to feed my child like her non-disabled peers, at least "comparably".) Another statement made by this same administrator was that my daughter could not attend the camp unless we signed the standard 'consent and release' form. This is posted here: [url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001958.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001958.html[/url]

I guess I wanted to point out that this is a on-going process. The dance goes something like this:
1. I see them stepping out of bounds (e.g. asking me to sign a release waiver) ,
2. I point that out and object (e.g. "does this release conflict with our DD's rights?"),
3. they object to my objection (e.g. "this is a standard form used by the SD and this is the district's practice"),
4. we refuse outright refuse to sign (e.g. "we've consulted with x,y,z and have been advised not to sign".)
5. they draw a line (e.g. "your DD cannot attend camp unless you sign the form"),
6. we say 'prove it' (e.g. "please show me the school board policy that states this").
7. Then they look to their regulations (school board policy, state DESE, etc.) and come back to the table with a more cooperative tone (e.g. "let's meet and discuss this more".)
8. We then agree to language to modify the form.

( [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] Let's all sing together to the tune of the "Hoky-Poky": [i]"You do the 'district boogy' and they turn themselves around... [b]THAT'S what it's all about!"[/b] [/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] Sorry. I just needed to give myself a little giggle. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] )

I think we'll be dancing this same little dance for a while....

[This message has been edited by Gail W (edited September 10, 2005).]

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Sat, 09-10-05, 14:03

I'm confused. Can "school boards" create policy that negates federal legislation,( not sure if that is what is happening) or does federal legislation have to have language that allows for that?

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By Gail W on Sat, 09-10-05, 14:20

Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]I'm confused. Can "school boards" create policy that negates federal legislation,( not sure if that is what is happening) or does federal legislation have to have language that allows for that?[/b]

This is exactly the thought process that would occur. The school board policy cites legal references (state and federal) at the bottom of each policy.

Groups: None
By Gail W on Sat, 09-10-05, 14:31

note the administrator's use of the word "practice":
Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
3. they object to my objection (e.g. "this is a standard form used by the SD and this is the district's [b]practice[/b]")

and our use of the word "policy":

Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
4. we refuse outright refuse to sign (e.g. "we've consulted with x,y,z and have been advised not to sign".)
5. they draw a line (e.g. "your DD cannot attend camp unless you sign the form"),
6. we say 'prove it' (e.g. "please show me the [b]school board policy [/b]that states this")

[This message has been edited by Gail W (edited September 10, 2005).]

Groups: None
By ryan's mom on Sat, 09-10-05, 14:53

Just adding my two cents. I totally agree with Myth #20.

And still thinking that this thread topic is one of THE most important ones here at pa.com. I love to see it constantly being reraised. Sure wish it was a "sticky" topic always at the top.

Groups: None
By synthia on Sat, 10-08-05, 15:40

Found it! raising for got epi's

------------------
Love this site
Synthia

__________________

Love this site
Synthia

Groups: None
By ryan's mom on Sat, 12-03-05, 15:06

reraising for TeddyAlly.

Groups: None
By milizard on Mon, 12-05-05, 18:33

bumping up for Dawn

Groups: None
By Nutternomore on Wed, 12-07-05, 05:31

Raising

Groups: None
By gvmom on Wed, 12-07-05, 08:18

Thanks for reraising this - just finished reading it all. I am probably going to ask a stupid question here, but I'll just risk it. We are just dealing with Peanut/Tree nut allergies -- there is no asthma involved, or other learning disabilities, impairments, or health issues, etc., -- from what I am kind of getting those of you that have an IHP in addition to the 504 have other things in addition the the FA's - am I right? There seems to be a debate about the IDEA-OHP I saw in here. I just want to make sure we aren't supposed to be asking for more than the 504 -- what is appropriate, right?

__________________

[b]President
Club Jetsam
Member Since April 2007[/b]

Groups: None
By Carefulmom on Sat, 12-10-05, 16:52

Re-raising for TeddyAlly.

Groups: None
By Nutternomore on Sun, 12-11-05, 05:59

Quote:Originally posted by gvmom:
[b]Thanks for reraising this - just finished reading it all. I am probably going to ask a stupid question here, but I'll just risk it. We are just dealing with Peanut/Tree nut allergies -- there is no asthma involved, or other learning disabilities, impairments, or health issues, etc., -- from what I am kind of getting those of you that have an IHP in addition to the 504 have other things in addition the the FA's - am I right? There seems to be a debate about the IDEA-OHP I saw in here. I just want to make sure we aren't supposed to be asking for more than the 504 -- what is appropriate, right? [/b]

Hi gvmom,

Think you already know the answer, but yes, given what you describe above, the 504 designation is what you want to go for...

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Sun, 12-11-05, 13:18

Quote:Originally posted by Nutternomore:
[b]
Think you already know the answer, but yes, given what you describe above, the 504 designation is what you want to go for...[/b]

would an OHI designation under an IEP get a "cash strapped" school any additional funding to make accommodations? (or at least remove some [i]excuses[/i]?) Don't know if the school is "cash strapped". Don't know if it would. Does not being able to attend school in safety affect [i]education[/i]?

General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. I don't know. Just asking. Don't remember an answer to these myself. Still wondering.

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Sun, 12-11-05, 15:03

[url="http://www.allergysupport.org/index.php?contents=rhondadocs/Primer.htm"]http://www.allergysupport.org/index.php?contents=rhondadocs/Primer.htm[/url]

In particular, to quote:

[i]"ASTHMA AND SEVERE FOOD ALLERGIES

Some disabilities clearly fall under Section 504, while others clearly fall under IDEA........"[/i]

Can they fall under [b]both[/b]? I mean, talking spectrums here. Personally? I've always tended to be very thorough. Buy a little "extra". Just in case. Room to grow. or not. But personally? I think OHI was appropriate considering my cub's needs related to *his* food allergy. Maybe this varies. Who knows? It could just be me. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

I believe, in my child's highly individulal, unique, and personal situation, not having safe access to the educational environment *DID* affect his [i]education[/i]. I mean, he was homeschooled for two years because of it. But even if it was *one* incident......one missed lesson.....but I digress. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I mean, are we also talking [i]obligation[/i] here? And I could be wrong. This is just a wild guess about my own cub's situation.

Anywhoooooooooooo. [i]Anyone?[/i]

Has anyone else ever requested "OHI" for food allergies before?

My child's "health" needs are covered under "Other Health Impairment". I believe "OHI" is listed as one of the qualifiying criteria for protection under IDEA. I could be wrong.

Among *many* accommodations he receives and is listed on the particular forms our district uses (not sure if they all use the same forms), is accommodations related to bus service. Aides. Nurses. But that's just us. I don't know about anyone else.

General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. ABSOLUTELY NOT. Just describing my own personal unique highly individual situation and musings about it. Individual Mileage May Vary. I do not guarantee the accuracy, currentness, or content of the link in this post.

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By Gail W on Sun, 12-11-05, 15:57

Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
Can they fall under [b]both[/b]?

Any child with an OHI designation is automatically covered under Section 504. So, yes, if your child has OHI designation then they "fall under both" IDEA and 504.

Mariah is protected under IDEA for her learning disability and has an IEP. She has a 504 plan for her LTFAs and asthma. It is my *personal opinion* that the 504 designation can be just as powerful as the OHI designation if you exercise it fully.

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Sun, 12-11-05, 16:17

Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Any child with an OHI designation is automatically covered under Section 504. So, yes, if your child has OHI designation then they "fall under both" IDEA and 504. [/b]

interesting. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] [i]Boolean Thing?[/i]

Quote:[b]Mariah is protected under IDEA for her learning disability and has an IEP. She has a 504 plan for her LTFAs and asthma. It is my *personal opinion* that the 504 designation can be just as powerful as the OHI designation if you exercise it fully. [/b]

"can be"? Can you explain? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By Gail W on Sun, 12-11-05, 17:09

Both IDEA and 504 have their respective language for the child to achieve the goal of FAPE. The language is different, but they both have the same goal, yes?

Mariah's has an IDEA designation for her LD and a 504 designation for her LTFAs. It is my experience that they each address her needs appropriately.

Do you believe IDEA-OHI is a *better* protection for LTFAs?

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Sun, 12-11-05, 17:34

Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]Both IDEA and 504 have their respective language for the child to achieve the goal of FAPE. The language is different, but they both have the same goal, yes?

Mariah's has an IDEA designation for her LD and a 504 designation for her LTFAs. It is my experience that they each address her needs appropriately.

Do you believe IDEA-OHI is a *better* protection for LTFAs?[/b]

first I need to know why you used the words "can be". Should it [i]automatically[/i]? Is there more finagelling involved? For 504's, I mean. Is one a "bigger stick"? Does one carry funding to achieve accommodations?

Do I remember correctly? Did you ask for "OHI designation" for food allergies previously from your district?

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Sun, 12-11-05, 17:42

Gail,

can you help me understand?

hypothetically.....if a school does not have a school nurse (full time RN position) and it is deemed necessary to have a full time RN in order for a child with LTFA to attend, which would be a *better* choice: OHI or 504?

it's my understanding the [i]obligation[/i] for the school to provide under both *may* be the same. But that said, under which designation would one meet less resistance to fill that position? I mean, cuddly language of 504 or IDEA [i]aside[/i]? I mean, I'd like to think that in the *real world* language is motivation enough.....

Provide alternate bus service?

an aide?

for example.

******************************

Let's talk witholding Federal Funding for non-compliance. Do *both* offer that remedy?

Now, do *both* *provide* funding for accommodations?

No advice whatsoever, just asking questions I'm still blurry on.

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By Gail W on Sun, 12-11-05, 17:53

MB, I want to continue this wonderful discussion. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Family obligations will keep away from the keyboard today. I'll look forward to continuing later this week.

Groups: None
By gvmom on Sun, 12-11-05, 19:05

ummmm, just squeezing in here quickly to say thank you to Nutternomore.......did I mention debate?

Stepping back again, though Mommabear the direction you are coming from is part of what it is I'm wondering about --- am very interested in what you and Gail are discussing. Okay, shhh, whispering, backing up.............

__________________

[b]President
Club Jetsam
Member Since April 2007[/b]

Groups: None
By Gail W on Mon, 12-12-05, 15:13

continuing this conversation on 504 v. IDEA here: [url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477.html[/url]

Hoping others (don't sneak off gvmom!) will also participate....

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Mon, 12-12-05, 15:24

if a parent refused services under IDEA to cover a specific disability, (ie: I don't want a "special education" label) would that parent, in fact, be unable to demand services under 504 to cover the [i]same disability[/i]? Anyone?

No advice, absolutely not, just wondering.

edit: Moved to page 4 of this thread:

[url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477-4.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477-4.html[/url]

[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited December 12, 2005).]

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Mon, 12-12-05, 15:32

[url="http://www.iog.unc.edu/pubs/electronicversions/slb/slbsum02/article2.pdf#search='idea%20ohi%20504'"]http://www.iog.unc.edu/pubs/electronicversions/slb/slbsum02/article2.pdf#sea rch='idea%20ohi%20504'[/url]

entitled:

[b]"Eligibility under IDEA for Other Health Impaired Children"[/b]

~by Kara Grice

General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. I do not guarantee the accuracy, currentness, or content of the link in this post.

edit: moved to page 4 of this thread:

[url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477-4.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477-4.html[/url]

------------------
"The beatings will continue until morale improves..."

[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited December 12, 2005).]

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By TeddyAlly on Mon, 12-12-05, 22:21

I hope you all dont mind if I add a couple of questions in here...

How do I get started with the 504? Do I go to my dd's allergist and request it or talk to her about it or do I just type up the 504 and then take it to the allergist? With all the paperwork that I have on my daughter for and from her school, she may already have a 504 in place (although I have never sat in a meeting). How do I find this out? Do I ask the nurse, principal, teacher (the last person I want to ask)? With the 504 stick with dd for life or is it just thru school? Is it like disability, will she start receiving disability funds? Thanks and I hope you all dont mind the questions...it is just so complicating.

------------------
Helen
Mom to Alyssa (PA, age 5)
Mom to Theodore (age 3)

__________________

Ally (nickname )
DD (PA & TNA, age 8)
DS (age 5)

Groups: None
By TeddyAlly on Mon, 12-12-05, 22:30

Oh, thought of another question...my husband is just worried that if she is labled "disabled" with a 504, does the school have the right to stick her in "Special Education" classes? That is his biggest fear, they are going to turn it around on us.

Oh, thank you for bumping this up for me! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

------------------
Helen
Mom to Alyssa (PA, age 5)
Mom to Theodore (age 3)

__________________

Ally (nickname )
DD (PA & TNA, age 8)
DS (age 5)

Groups: None
By Nutternomore on Fri, 01-06-06, 06:19

Quote:Originally posted by TeddyAlly:
[b]I hope you all dont mind if I add a couple of questions in here...

How do I get started with the 504? Do I go to my dd's allergist and request it or talk to her about it or do I just type up the 504 and then take it to the allergist? With all the paperwork that I have on my daughter for and from her school, she may already have a 504 in place (although I have never sat in a meeting). How do I find this out? Do I ask the nurse, principal, teacher (the last person I want to ask)? With the 504 stick with dd for life or is it just thru school? Is it like disability, will she start receiving disability funds? Thanks and I hope you all dont mind the questions...it is just so complicating.

[/b]

Check out this post...

[url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001705.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001705.html[/url]

Groups: None
By Nutternomore on Fri, 01-06-06, 06:22

bumping.

This is [b]required[/b] reading for anyone researching (or beginning to work on) 504 plans. You want to start now (if you haven't started already, as some bad apple school districts can sometimes drag their feet). You want to avoid not having this resolved [b]before[/b] school lets out for the summer; trust me, I've been there once, and it's an ugly place! Never going back...

[This message has been edited by Nutternomore (edited January 06, 2006).]

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Fri, 01-06-06, 16:44

Quote:Originally posted by TeddyAlly:
[b]Oh, thought of another question...my husband is just worried that if she is labled "disabled" with a 504, does the school have the right to stick her in "Special Education" classes? That is his biggest fear, they are going to turn it around on us.

Oh, thank you for bumping this up for me! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

[/b]

i'm going to have to come back to this. I mean, I'm supposed to have another "biggest fear"??

I'll start by asking: Is "Special Education" necessarily "Special Education Classes"?

and so what if it is?

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Fri, 01-06-06, 16:45

Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:

if a parent refused services under IDEA to cover a specific disability, (ie: I don't want a "special education" label) would that parent, in fact, be unable to demand services under 504 to cover the [i]same disability[/i]? Anyone?

No advice, absolutely not, just wondering.

edit: Moved to page 4 of this thread:

[url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477-4.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477-4.html[/url]

[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited December 12, 2005).]

reposting.

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Fri, 01-06-06, 16:47

Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[url="http://www.iog.unc.edu/pubs/electronicversions/slb/slbsum02/article2.pdf#search='idea%20ohi%20504'"]http://www.iog.unc.edu/pubs/electronicversions/slb/slbsum02/article2.pdf#sea rch='idea%20ohi%20504'[/url]

entitled:

[b]"Eligibility under IDEA for Other Health Impaired Children"[/b]

~by Kara Grice

General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. I do not guarantee the accuracy, currentness, or content of the link in this post.

edit: moved to page 4 of this thread:

[url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477-4.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/001477-4.html[/url]

reposting.

my poor cub. amazing what folk think of "Special Education".

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By ryan's mom on Fri, 01-06-06, 21:51

Right on, MB--

"...my poor cub. amazing what folk think of "Special Education".

"

My thoughts on this...

No. Special Education does not mean Special Education classes. For some yes, for some no. I was not a Spec. Ed. teacher, but I had lots of Special Ed students in my classes. Their disabilities ran the gamut from dyslexia, learning disabilities, visual impairments, hearing difficulties, emotionally disturbed, Down Syndrome, etc. These kids were in "normal" classes.

Some kids need to be in Special Ed classes the entire day. Other Special Ed kids do not have to be in any Special Ed classes. I've taught absolutely brilliant minds but were classified as Special Education because of a disability that needed to be accommodated.

And up until recently (to my knowledge), in our state academically-gifted students fell under Special Education as well.

Parents have plenty of rights. Most of the time those rights are not exercised because parents are unaware they have these rights, nor are they aware how to exercise them.

Last time I was looking over my documentation, I realized there was some uncertainty in my mind (based on my reading) if Ryan was in Special Education, but he definitely has the label of "protected handicapped student" under Chapter 15 in the state of Pennsylvania which falls under Special Education in our school.

I *want* that label. He *needs* that label.

I know some people that post here seem scared of that label "Special Education". Perhaps it is because of our perception of Spec. Ed. when we were in school. Much has changed since then--for the better in many cases.

I hate to see newbies that seem scared of the words Special Education. It does a world of good for so many kids these days.

[This message has been edited by ryan's mom (edited January 06, 2006).]

Groups: None
By synthia on Fri, 01-06-06, 22:41

Oh my gosh!
Been re-reading,thank you! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

------------------
Love this site
Synthia
edited ,spelling

[This message has been edited by synthia (edited January 06, 2006).]

__________________

Love this site
Synthia

Groups: None
By Gail W on Fri, 01-06-06, 23:26

Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] my poor cub. amazing what folk think of "Special Education".

[/b]

MommaBear, I'm not worried about your cub. Not one bit. Your cub has his needs met, right? Your cub is [i]rich. [/i]

And, having a child who receives services from "Special Education" for a learning disability, my DD is [i]rich [/i] also. I'm not offended by a statement that a parent would not want "Special Education" for their own child. I assume that their child doesn't need those services.

IMO, the only "poor cub" is a cub who needs services and doesn't receive them.

[This message has been edited by Gail W (edited January 06, 2006).]

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Sat, 01-07-06, 02:22

Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] IMO, the only "poor cub" is a cub who needs services and doesn't receive them.

[/b]

especially if it's due to fear of a label.

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By ryan's mom on Sat, 01-07-06, 02:23

Amen to that last sentence, Gail!

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Sat, 01-07-06, 04:55

Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] And, having a child who receives services from "Special Education" for a learning disability, my DD is [i]rich [/i] also. I'm not offended by a statement that a parent would not want "Special Education" for their own child. I assume that their child doesn't need those services.

[/b]

Think you hit the nail square on the head. I mean, there has been much discussion over whether a LTFA qualifies as a "Disability". A Major Disability in need of accommodations and services. In some cases [i]related services[/i]?

I'd guess I'd might assume that too if a "label" influenced me as to whether or not I pursued them.

Absolutely not as advice, just how I'd personally feel about my own situation.

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Sat, 01-07-06, 05:16

[url="http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/wholeschool/sen/parentcarers/mychild/"]http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/wholeschool/sen/parentcarers/mychild/[/url]

to quote:

[b]"The term 'special educational needs' has a legal definition. Children with special educational needs all have learning difficulties or disabilities that make it harder for them to learn or access education than most children of the same age."[/b]

Are adjustments (modifications), accomodations and services for LTFA "Special Education"?

General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. I do not guarantee the accuracy, currentness, or content of the link in this post.

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Sat, 01-07-06, 17:08

[b]"[i]or access education[/i]"[/b]

wish we could [i]redline[/i] certain items in posts.

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By MommaBear on Sat, 01-07-06, 20:57

ryan's mom, thank you for your insight and eloquence. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] It's much appreciated.

__________________

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

Groups: None
By Drew's mom on Mon, 01-23-06, 02:03

Reraising....just needing some reminders of what is the right thing to do....and why...

Groups: None
By mommatomase on Fri, 03-03-06, 16:47

Thank you for this wonderful thread... needs to be lifted...

------------------
Lisa
Mom to Mason (peanut/tree nut/sesame/mustard)

__________________

Lisa
Mom to Mason (peanut/tree nut/sesame/mustard)

Groups: None
By gvmom on Fri, 03-03-06, 20:18

Re-Raising for Kernianne

__________________

[b]President
Club Jetsam
Member Since April 2007[/b]

Groups: None
By synthia on Fri, 03-24-06, 13:30

bump

need to read

------------------
Love this site
Synthia

__________________

Love this site
Synthia

Groups: None
By synthia on Thu, 05-04-06, 01:14

raising for TwokidsNJ

------------------
Love this site
Synthia

__________________

Love this site
Synthia

Groups: None

Peanut Free and Nut Free Directory

Peanut-Free/Nut-Free Directory

Our directory is intended as a resource for people with peanut and nut allergies. It contains foods, helpful products, and much more.

Subscribe today and receive a handy one-page guide to peanut-free snacks!

Sign up for our free newsletter and stay on top of your Peanut Allergy

Email

PeanutAllergy.com Social