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By patsav on Thu, 02-18-99, 23:28

thanks for all the replies

it was very much appreciated!!!

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By Nicole on Sat, 02-20-99, 02:11

Hello~

Unfortunately, I cannot think of one restaurant in our area (Michigan) that is totally safe. We have alot of work to do don't we?

I find that most family restaurants have nut products throughout their menus. You can count on at least one dessert having nuts. For this situation, I usually speak to the manager or waitress or better yet the chef about the safety of my son. My concern is not only with his food but his environment too. I have to make sure the area is free from nut products (i.e. no nuts near us!) and I double check the seating area too.

As far as fast food; McDonalds is not really safe because during the summer months they serve those McFlurries (shakes with bits of candy, etc.). Throughout the year they serve sundaes with nuts on top too.

Good luck and I would suggest to your friend, to always have your guard up.

Nicole

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By tracy on Sat, 02-20-99, 03:20

What about Italian food? Pizza? Has anyone experienced problems with those kind of restaurants?

--Tracy

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By Saralinda on Sat, 07-06-13, 02:15

Italian restaurants have tiramisu with almonds, marzipan, all sorts of Italian desserts have nuts in them, and don't forget pine nuts in pesto.

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By dhumphries on Sat, 02-20-99, 03:24

MY SON EATS WENDY'S NUGGETS AND FRIES ABOUT TWICE A WEEK AND HE HAS NEVER HAD PROBLEMS. DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THE SAFETY OF WENDY'S?

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By kylaC on Sat, 02-20-99, 07:49

I think keys to safely eating out is part smarts and part intuition. First, you have to be smart about what you do and don't order. Don't have things with sauces and coatings. Eat plain things like baked potatoes, salads without dressings, etc. Don't eat desserts. At all. My only exception is sherbert..and only as long as there are no nut ice creams served. Never eat at ice cream shops or donut shops. Don't have baked goods made in grocery story bakeries, even if the ingredients are listed.
Then, listen to your instincts. Often, I've had a bad feeling about a chef or manager after I've asked about the food. I just order and drink and wait until leaving the restaurant to eat my 'emergency food stash' I usually have with me.
I think you have to just stick to the rules of staying safe. Never break them. And ALWAYS have an Epipen or two with you...as a just in case. That's the best you can do. Do all that and you can feel confident that you've done enough.

Kyla

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By on Sat, 02-20-99, 14:57

Luckily, my brother is a chef in our city so when we go out to eat as a family, we frequent "his" restaurant. He will come out personally to our table and take my son's order! (Makes my son feel pretty important too)!

When we go out casually, my son loves Wendy's also and has not had any problems. He also loves the chicken nuggets.

This is such a hard call! It feels like Russian Roulette doesn't it?

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By Patti on Sat, 02-20-99, 21:06

Hi we frequent Wendys also. Never have had a problem. The Wendys near us has a nutrition info guide right at the counter and you can ask for it at the drive thru. I only read what we eat but I did not see peanut in any of those. I checked the chili and it doesn't state anything but I still haven't given it to her. I am kind of worried about the kidney beans. Also I am starting to rethink all those places we used to eat at. We used to eat pizza all the time. I am going to pick one place and talk to them but I would think pizza would be ok as long as the sauce is ok. I really like this thread because I am starting to enter the real world again since my "breakdown" and I would like her to have as much normalcy as possible. Again I like Kyla's advice and keep it simple.

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By dhumphries on Sun, 02-21-99, 01:58

On the subject of pizza, do most of you find that Pizza Hut, Dominos, and Little Caesars are safe? My friend has a daughter who has galactecemia, and she finds that Little Caesars is the only pizza she can find where they do nut use dairy products in the pizza dough. Also, has any one had any experience with Taco Bell?

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By Patti on Sun, 02-21-99, 02:26

I have never used Taco Bell but had used Dominoes a lot before knowing of the allergy. Never had a problem. I can vouch that she ate cheese Pizza and the breadsticks. Also had the buffalo wings once but did not like them. Again like anything now that I know I will ask them before I use them again.

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By Patti on Sun, 02-21-99, 02:43

Wasn't going to post this till tomorrow, but I thought it was worth taking the extra time because I guess it is somewhat of a success story. We had our big Chinese New Years banquet tonight. I was very nervous but I am happy to report no problems. I gave Katherine her 1/2 Claritin before we left. I brought Cheerios and a bagel (my new bagel shop that posted that they will not use any peanut products due to cross contamination concerns). Anyway I don't think my husbands family noticed how much I cringed each time they brought out a new dish dripping of some sauce. But as the evening wore on and Katherine ate her bagel and the white rice and plain chicken we ordered her, I realized that it wasn't that important that she wasn't eating exactly what everyone else was, but that we were together. I also ordered a special soda in her very own can which none of the other kids got, so that was way cool for her. I have to say I did heave a sigh of relief when they brought out the hot towels and cleared the dishes, but not a hive to be found. P.S. They did try to assure me that there was no peanut oil or products in any of the dishes, but I went with my instincts and just bypassed them. Anyway that was a major food experience and we made it. In fact all my neices and nephews wanted her cheerios. Hope you have a good night and I'll "talk" to you tomorrow.
Patti

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By on Sun, 02-21-99, 11:36

Hi Patti,

I am so glad everything worked out for you AND your daughter. They so much want to be a part of everything we do, even though sometimes it feels like we are walking through land mines to keep them safe. I'm glad you had a success story!

On the subject of Taco Bell and Pizza...our son has had the soft taco with just meat and cheese, no reaction, but didn't really like it. We order Pizza Hut Pizza about every other weekend and have had no problems whatsoever. (He is no longer allergic to milk, so are we looking for milk allergies at these places or peanuts)? I just want to be sure I am posting for the right allergy symptoms.

Take care.

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By Mark on Sun, 02-21-99, 12:10

Hi Everyone:

We ate out last night at a restaurant (steak & seafood) that was very helpful. The waitress brought out the recipe with a listing of all of the ingredients for us to review. No peanut products in any of the meal we were ordering. The chef had told her to tell us that they used to clean their wood grill with peanut oil though. He told her that he would grill Tanner's shrimp on a gas grill to make sure there was no chance of cross-contamination. They seemed very aware of peanut allergies and we were comfortable with the way we were accomodated. They haven't used the peanut oil cleaning method for several months now.
On a different occasion at a different restaurant (upscale deli) we discovered that they made their own bread & hamburger buns, etc. and that they used peanut oil as an ingredient for flavor. We weren't comfortable staying there to eat. The waitress seemed annoyed at all of the questions she had to ask for us.

Mark

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By Nicole on Sun, 02-21-99, 15:54

Hi ~

Patti ... I can't help but [img]http://client.banreets.gsp.com/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] after reading your message. I really [b] DO [/b] understand. Leaving a restaurant without incident has got to be the best part. (It used to be dessert!!) I'm so glad that it worked out positively for you. I agree...it was important that you go and the best part was that you were together. Hang in there!

Nicole

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By dhumphries on Sun, 02-21-99, 18:14

I was reading the post about grilled shrimp and the cleaning of the grill with peanut oil and was wondering how evryone approaches introducing something as anyphylactic as shrimp into your childrens diet. We love shrimp, but have yet to serve it to our 2-1/2 yr old peanut allergic son because of the concerns of a reaction. I sometimes think that I am overly paranoid and will be depriving my son of new eating experiences, but frankly the thought of another anyphylactic episode just about does me in. Any thoughts/ideas to share?

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By Mark on Mon, 02-22-99, 12:45

Our son is going to be 5 this Friday and he had his first reaction to peanuts at 8 months old. We have been successful in keeping him away from contact/ingestion since that first episode. We are extremely diligent in assuring he does not eat anything with peanuts in it. We also keep him away from all nuts and nut products. We have also stopped eating peanuts and nuts in support of him and don't miss them. He has always been a really good eater. He loves all of his vegetables, frequently orders a salad with his meal and has a huge appetite. He is only allergic to peanuts so we let him try any other foods that he wishes (after we check it out for peanuts/nuts). We have to remember that any one of us can develop a food allergy at any point along the way. Should a child be deprived of other foods just because there is a possibility of developing an allergy to it? I think that you have to follow your instincts on this one and if the child already has multiple food allergies then possibly proceed a bit more careful with new foods. We do not say "no" to any of the foods Tanner wants to try with the exception of peanuts and nuts. We are raising our son to lead a normal life and he knows that he can as long as he avoids peanuts.
Stay Safe,
Mark

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By Christine on Mon, 02-22-99, 13:51

It is not unreasonable to worry about giving your child shrimp or shellfish. Having a peanut allergy or any other type of food allergy indicates that your child is reactive in that manner--he/she is "predisposed" so to speak to allergies. Along with that "theory" I have decided to avoid as much as possible all of the highly allergenic foods (shellfish is a biggy) until my son is 7 and his immune system has matured. I don't go so far as to read labels looking for shellfish ingredients; however, I will not order him a plate of shrimp for dinner either. A shellfish allergy I do NOT need on top of peanuts/eggs.

One comment on the restaurant issue: We dine out about once or twice per week with my son. We stick to places like TGIFridays, Chili's, McDonalds, Wendy's, Taco Bell, Outback,--you get it--the usual chains. We have NEVER had a problem. Basically my son orders chicken fingers and french fries wherever we go. I do not go anywhere that fries in peanut oil, nor do I go to any oriental restaurants. It is virtually impossible to find an establishment that is peanut free. As one previous poster said: avoid sauces, desserts, Chinese restaurants. I also do not give my son any type of chili or anything with gravy or sauce as there can be peanut oil/flour in them. We NEVER let him eat dessert at a restaurant--nuts or no nuts. The only place he gets dessert out is Dairy Queen. I watch them while they put his ice cream in his cup and immediately give it to me. Also, the Dairy Queen's have recently converted to having all of their toppings in suspended containers where they hold the ice cream under the container and push a button to release it. No more serving spoons dropping little peanuts all over the counter. I was very happy to see that. I still will not allow my son any toppings.
Christine

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By Patti on Mon, 02-22-99, 15:43

I also do not allow my 3 year old to have shellfish. My mother has an allergy to shellfish and it is such a biggy allergy I wouldn't do it anyway. I am all for letting them try new foods though (I admit I have to get alittle more courageous at this too). I am just going to stay away from the big ones. I know for sure she doesn't have a milk or egg allergy. Anyway my allergist suggested that when introducing a new food, just let them take a small amount first. Hope that helps.
Patti

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By Patti on Mon, 02-22-99, 15:53

P.S. I also don't allow her tree nuts or the other legumes yet beans, peas, chick peas etc. Extreme maybe but I don't know for sure and I will wait till she is older for the legume family. I will probably never let her have tree nuts just because there is a high chance of cross contamination.

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By on Sat, 02-27-99, 18:02

We had friends visiting us from Long Island this past week. (We live in Florida). At the end of the week, my friend mentioned that everywhere she ate this week, it seemed like it had peanuts in it...including a chicken salad sandwich she ordered. SCARY! She asked me if it was a "southern" thing using peanuts in everything. I guess I never thought about it! (Thank God she wasn't allergic)!

Just goes to show that something as easy as Chicken Salad could be so deadly in the wrong hands!

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By Michelyne on Sun, 02-28-99, 13:29

Patti,
I don't blame you for not wanting to give your child any tree nuts because of the issue of cross contamination. I too never give my son any nuts, and in a way, I think we were lucky since on the last visit to the allergist, Liam's scratch test indicated that he had a 'significant' allergy to both walnuts and hazelnuts. When he was first tested at 1 1/2 years old he only showed a severe reaction to peanuts, and nothing to other nuts. I have never knowingly given Liam any nuts. So it is odd that he would develop and allergy to something that he's never had (he was tested again at 3 years since we moved countries and switched allergists).

The allergist told us that it wasn't as bad as the peanut allergy, but that it was definitely a problem and we should be vigilant with the avoidance of all nut products. There is no harm in deleting nuts from your child's diet.

Stay safe!

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By on Sun, 02-28-99, 14:21

This is scary! I just assumed (not a good thing to do with this allergy) that if they tested okay initially, then they were okay now! My son was tested along with peanuts for sesame seed, almond, coconut and pecan nut; all were in the "in" range for non-allergy. He is a 5 with peanuts! Should we have him retested when he goes back in April for the other nuts? Luckily, instinct must have taken over because we have avoided all nuts, just out of habit.

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By Michelyne on Thu, 03-04-99, 18:50

Connie,

I think your 'habit' of excluding all nuts is the way to go. I don't know if it would be worth it this early to have him tested again. Liam showed Negative for Walnut at 1.5 years, then positive at 3. Maybe wait a year and see.

Stay safe!

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By on Thu, 03-04-99, 19:36

Hi Michelyne,

He tested positive for the peanut allergy at age 10 months. He will be 5 yrs old in April. I wonder with a 4 year waiting period, if he would test differently now for other nuts.

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By Michelyne on Fri, 03-05-99, 20:47

Hi Connie,

I didn't realize it has been four years since he was last tested! My first thought was, "ya sure, he's old enough to go through the testing again". But then I thought immediately afterward, does it matter if he tests positive to other nuts? I mean, if he was still not allergic to other nuts, would you introduce them into his diet?

If the testing is too scary an issue for him (at 5 he understands a lot more than my 3 year old did), then you could assume that all nuts are problematic for him, and just avoid the whole lot of them and treat them as if they were a threat to him. Afterall, even if he's not allergic to other nuts, the whole issue of cross contamination in the nuts (since they are packaged by companies that probably package peanuts too) comes into play.

I know that I am going to take Liam back at the age of 5 (we were told to by our allergist here) to find out if the allergy is worse. I guess for us it's a 'know as much as you can' issue.

Best wishes,
Michelyne

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By on Fri, 03-05-99, 22:10

Hi Michelyne,

You're right about the other nuts. We have avoided them thus far, why even introduce them. Cameron's allergist already informed us he would not retest for the peanut allergy (at the initial testing, peanuts were 2130). I can't help but wonder if that number has decreased or increased over the years!

Even after 4 years of this, I too am still learning something new!

Thanks again for your feedback!

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By Jess on Sun, 03-07-99, 23:42

As for the pizza question, I would recommend avoiding California Pizza Kitchen (a semi-major chain restaurant) They serve dishes such as Thai salad, Thai pasta, and Thai pizza. Although they try hard to keep these products seperate from the other entrees, I would not eat here because it is a big risk.

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By katiee on Fri, 12-10-99, 19:23

Just wanted to respond to the child who ate "shrimp". My 21 month old son is PA and our Allergist informed us to completely avoid alltree nuts and shellfish of any kind as my son has the potential of developing another serious allergy. He said that we could introduce these foods at a much later date, one at a time and see how he reacts. It appears that PA children have a serious risk of developing other life threatning allergies and that alone is enough of a reason for us to avoid these foods all together.

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By stimpsjd on Mon, 03-27-00, 19:40

I have had problems with Italian Restaurants, particularly Wolfgang Pucks in the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. They use Peanut Oil in their red sauce and in their garlic bread that is placed on the table before you order. I wasn't going to ask because I assumed it is usually safe, but I was very wrong. I got up and left...I'm glad I did.

Quote:Originally posted by tracy:
[b]What about Italian food? Pizza? Has anyone experienced problems with those kind of restaurants?

--Tracy[/b]

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By Ty's mom on Mon, 06-19-00, 23:35

Just an Fyi, peanut butter is used as a "filler" in some red sauces for Italian food. I was shocked when my sons Allergist informed me of this.

Also, my neighbor works for McDonalds and the McDonalds in Washington state are introducing new cookies in the restaurant. Soft, fresh baked cookies. The boxes these cookies come in has a big warning about peanut exposure!!! BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!

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By Gabrielle on Mon, 08-14-00, 12:39

Hi all. In reply to the question about PIZZA SAFETY, I called a local Papa Romono's pizza and ask about ingredients and was told THEY DO USE PEANUT OIL in their dough, as a dough conditioner and to oil the pans. He warned me that every single store is different and that I should ALWAYS ask. I have always thought pizza was safe!

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By Laura J on Tue, 08-15-00, 02:50

Learning to go one step further in my questioning of restaurant staff.....
I too have felt "safe" giving my PA son McDonald's and Pizza Hut in the past. No more! They can tell you the ingredients are safe..but the food handling is not safe. Pizza Hut lost our business after I saw a DRIVER prep a pizza and throw into its delivery box with unwashed hands. All kinds of ingredient bits were scattered all over the counter he was working on. McDonald's staff are not careful of cross-contamination. You need to have the manager prep the whole meal very carefully. I called Wendy's hoping they would be better. They phoned me back and told me that they have a Nutrition Guide...but make no guarantees. I asked if kitchen staff were trained about cross-contamination. I was told they wear gloves, but wouldn't think about transfering traces of foods from one order to another with those same gloves. I wish sometimes I could just go in the kitchen and make it myself! Someone on another thread said they go out as a family and bring safe but special foods from home for their PA child. They found restaurants open to this. Its another option I guess! Stay Safe everyone.

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By Momma Kitty on Tue, 08-15-00, 04:46

I find eating out very stressful...
1) We don't go to McDonald's any longer. After the cross-contamination issues I've witnessed, it's an accident waiting to happen!
2) Wendy's is safe for us. My daughter eats the fries, plain cheeseburger and even the frosty. I have read their "ingredients list" and did not see any peanut product.
3) We have eaten at Burger King as well.
4) At Taco Bell we order a soft taco, hold the meat (she doesn't like it-I trust her instincts) and ask them to melt the cheese, like a quesadilla.
5) We order a "no sauce" pizza from Domino's every 2-3 weeks and have no problem.
6) We have found a nice steak restaurant that is safe (but too expensive to frequent).
7) Fazoli's plain pasta and sauces were said to be OK but chain rep didn't seem that confident so I don't feel comfortable with her eating there...?
7) Chuck Cheese pizza crust may contain peanut flour...ask manager to check dough box yourself for ingredients.
It's a huge challenge...

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