Tim Ho&*^* penut butter attack!

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Hi

I am 31 years old, and from Canada
I have had a Penut allergy since i was very young,
I recently visited a Tim Ho&^% store and asked for a chocolate chip cookie....mmm my favorite, the girl at the counter told me she didnt have any, i said ok i am allrgic to penut butter, dont give me anything with penut butter because i am allergic to penut butter, well she said, we have theses M & M ones here, i said ok

the girl put the cookie in the bag, i didnt see her do it, i went out to the car with my girlfreind, in the dark while talking to my girlfreind, i took out the cookie and took a bite. Instantly i had a bad feeling, she took a bite and said it was a Penut Butter Chunk!

I was lucky i was 1 minute away from my house, i went there and jabbed my Eppi pen in my leg, and right away went to the hospital, i was there in less than 8 minutes! I ran into the emergency with a major asthma attack, my face was swelled up about 2" all around, my throat was closed off, i couldnt talk, or breath, i was panicing, and almost hauled the Hospitals computer off the administrators desk!, i was put into a wheelchair a wheeled away instantly, and recieive treatment right away, mask, I V, eppi pen, heart monitor patches, my heart shot up to about 150 thats when i looked at the screen after i calmed down, so it must have been a lot worse.
Later on that night at the hospital i woke up and swished my mouth and the it started all over again there must have been a peice of cookie in my mouth, i didnt even swallow any of the cookie and all this happened, i was released from the hospital 12 hours later.

2 days later i had a reacurrence from the penut butter attack, i broke out in a major rash, that was fixed by my local doctor after a couple of days.

I have contacted the store manager and owner, and have been passed onto the head office, then and an ajuster contacted me?? i dint ask for anything i only told them what happend, another 5 minutes and i would have been dead! or if it was a remote Tim Hor^*%^n store i would not have made it to the hosptial in time,

What should i do next??
I am supposed to meet with an adjuster this week...

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As far as what to do next, I'd make sure I didn't eat chocolate chip or M&M cookies at any restaurant. We know that regular M&Ms contain peanuts, and we have to assume that chocolate contains trace amounts of peanuts unless we know the source.

I know you were asking about what to do next in regard to getting a pb cookie, which was a horrible thing. But to stay safe, I'd stay away from all restaurant cookies (even sugar cookies), but especially chocolate chip and M&M cookies (in addition to the pb cookies, of course).

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Thank-you

I did Purchase 6 of the same cookie earlier the same week and ate them i was fine.
I realize now i cannot trust anything From this place and similar places.

They are now contacting me for compensation (i guess)and asking what are you looking for. I didnt answer their question, They didnt not have a sign up stating "may contain penuts" but now i have noticed that the same store i went to and the surrounding store's do have sign's up, even in the drive-thru.
At least i Have helped out in one way.

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What you cannot trust is any unlabelled baked good or food that you did not prepare yourself from safe ingredients. You cannot depend on a counter person to keep you safe.

I always taught my son to never eat anything in the dark because you just have no idea what you are eating.

[b]I am against any legal action because there was so much you could have done to keep yourself safe. Legal action except for an instance of flagrant mis labelling is only going to make it harder for other allergic people to get cooperation.[/b]

I'm reluctant to be negative but that's that.

So now you are going to carry your epi pen and Benadryl with you at all times. Do you have a medic alert bracelet? Next time I also would suggest calling 911 if that service is available. Getting yourself to the hospital is too risky.

Did they send you home on steroids? I always ask for a few days of steroids after the reaction so any undigested peanut is hopefully taken care of. Not sure if it is even medically correct but they always give a prescription for steroids anyway.

Good luck with getting everything that you need to stay safe. I'm glad it turned out OK for you.

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Quote:Originally posted by Peg541:
[b]What you cannot trust is any unlabelled baked good or food that you did not prepare yourself from safe ingredients. You cannot depend on a counter person to keep you safe.[/b]

I agree Peg. Baked goods are especially dangerous due to cross contamination issues.

Every Tim Horton shop that I have ever seen has a sign stating that none of their products are safe for peanut allergic individuals, so I never purchase products from them.

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Yes,
I agree with this the quote also,

BUT

I specifically told the girl 3 times, and then she gave me the wrong one, she gave me the only one on the shelf that i told her not to give me.

very upsetting , knowing that as a fan of donuts, and cookies etc, the "may contain" issue comes up, and you say to yourself, well i have been eating the same product for 20 years and nothing ever happened, so why should i stop now? I know why, but I dont think its right.

almost like telling a smoker your not allowed to have a cigarette anymore because it MAY kill you, everyone knows cigarettes kill, but to do it all your life and then try and stop because of a technicality?

My opinion some of the things at these store's are addictive! and in my mind its 100% discrimination. they should have proper quality control! BUT WHAT THEY HAVE IS NO QUALITY CONTROL.

They are cutting out all smoking in Canadian Bars and Restaurants, because it can kill you (AND PEOPLE AROUND YOU thats the real reason they are banning it), but people will continue to smoke. just not around other people!

If that is the case then the food industry should have separate facilties or ban nut related products all together from their restataurants.

Because right now myself along with alot of others are not allergic to frosted flakes, or a big turk bars or boston cream donuts, we would love to have one but cannot because of the fact their "may" be something what are the chances?

Just seems like all the good things i have put on my regular schedule of eating have been narrowed down significantly within the last year or so, because some business's take the easy route out. and put the "main contain penuts" --on EVERYTHING!!...........DISCRIMINATION!!

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If any cookie or any food is sitting in a display case near a peanut cookie then all of the cookies are potentially contaminated by peanut.

If you have to ask then just avoid it period.

The companies have taken a safe route to prevent people from accidentally eating peanut. Of course it feels like discrimination but you have a choice and my choice will always be to stay alive.

Unfortunately what you are able to eat is narrowed but there are certainly many safe choices out there. Get used to it until there is a cure or companies start making things safer.

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Quote:Originally posted by spikedstallion:
[b]If that is the case then the food industry should have separate facilties or ban nut related products all together from their restataurants.[/b]

I do not believe that nut realted products should be banned from restaurants. Nuts are a totally safe and healthy food for the majority of the population, so they should not be banned from restaurants juyst because someone is allergic to them.

Restaurant owners can have a nut-free restaurant if they choose, but it is their choice. For example, peanuts is a necessary ingredient in most types of Thai food, so it is unrealistic to expect Thai restaurants to be nut-free.

Quote:Originally posted by spikedstallion:
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Because right now myself along with alot of others are not allergic to frosted flakes, or a big turk bars or boston cream donuts, we would love to have one but cannot because of the fact their "may" be something what are the chances?[/b]

For products that are made on shared equipment, I am glad that manufacturers label as 'may contain peanut'. The allergy warning on Big Turk bars allows me to know that they are made in the same facility as peanut products, so I can choose to avoid these products to keep safe. It is not discrimination to add a 'may contain peanuts' label to the Big Turk bar, as Nestle is being responsible by informing us that there is a chance of peanut cross-contamination.

This chance may be remote, but it is good that we know about it. At that point, it is our choice and respsonsibility as to whether to eat this product. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Quote:Originally posted by Peg541:
[b]Unfortunately what you are able to eat is narrowed but there are certainly many safe choices out there. [/b]

I agree Peggy. There are tons of safe products out there, so my PA has not restricted my diet at all. Of course, there are lots of foods that I can not eat and it can be a pain at times especially when going to restaurants, but I have always been able to find substitutes. The key is to do research [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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I can understand your frustration spikestallion, for certain, but it doesn't do any good to be frustrated.

I think Erik and I have had a lot of the same experiences and have the same viewpoints...be uber-cautious and don't blame others for what you are potentially missing out on. Every now and then I will sneak a Kit Kat bar, but there is a warning on them now about "same facility" and sometimes I see "same machine" (I don't eat those). I *loved* Kit Kats when I was young, never got sick from them, and low and behold 3 years ago a warning came out. I was actually happy they put it on there, because I wouldn't want to be the one to find out there was cross-contamination, ya know?

On a good note, I believe I owe my fabulous baking skills to having PA/TNA b/c I could never eat bakery products. So, I was proactive and learned how to do it myself. Now my desserts are asked for at parties and sometimes I even contract myself out for some extra cash!

So, hang in there spiked stallion. If you are to vent anywhere, here is certainly the place! I can't speak for everyone, but I certainly can empathize with your attitude and aggravation, but, I am able to shrug off any resentment I have about being PA/TNA.

I'm so glad I'm not allergic to the cocao bean though, I couldn't imagine if I was!

cheers, feel better dude,
Adrienne

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Adrienne, if you love KitKats, you should try to get some Canadian or UK KitKats. They are peanut free.

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I'm in the UK and would be very happy to send you UK KitKats if you would like some!

Take care
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Quote:Originally posted by Sandra Y:
[b]Adrienne, if you love KitKats, you should try to get some Canadian or UK KitKats. They are peanut free. [/b]

Another idea is "Kit Kat Bites". Last time I checked, they were safe (no peanut warning). They are made by Hershey USA. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Or Canadian Kit Kats can be ordered from [url="http://www.canadiansweets.com/"]http://www.canadiansweets.com/[/url] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Thanks everyone,

I feel much better now knowing that its not only me that has this problem, and your right thats its better to have it on the package than not to have it ther at all,

But, do you think some companies could be more careful? Really made me mad when I went to the price club last week and everytihng in the baked goods isle had "may contain penuts" I was craving for something sweet....just gave up the cigarettes and needed something. was looking at the macaroons...mmmm but No way, not my luck.

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KIT KATS - YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

wow - I'm glad I mentioned it! thanks for the resources, I'll see if I can find them online [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

I *have* seen the Kit Kat bites that do not have a warning, but I'm a touch hesitant and haven't called the company. Maybe I should...more later on that in another thread.

THANKS AGAIN!
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So does anyone know of a safe *Big Turk*? I miss them sooooo much. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

spikedstallion, how about telling us the one thing you will miss the most because of a *may contain* warning. We might be able to help you find a safe version, or something similar.

This won't help with cookies - but a lot of people here (myself included) feel safe eating Krispie Kreme doughnuts. Do you know if there are any near you?

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Quote:Originally posted by AnnaMarie:
[b]So does anyone know of a safe *Big Turk*? I miss them sooooo much. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img][/b]

I miss Nestle Big Turk too. I used to eat them as a kid. Many years ago, the peanut allert was added so I haven't had them since.

A few times I saw a Cadbury Big Turk bar in specialty candy shops (made in England), but haven't seen it in a while. If I do, I'll post the info. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Erik, do you know what the bar was called? I checked the cadbury UK site, and can't find it. (Though, I did have fun playing with the wizard. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] )

There's a little Scottish bakery at Eglinton square and they sell some imported chocolates. I'll check if they have it - but if not, I was going to ask the ladies if they could get it for me.

And, you are talking about that red jelly-type candy in chocolate, right? Not the Turkish Delight (which is also good, and I think listed on their nut-free page).

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spikedstallion - sorry if I high-jacked your thread. But, I'm starting to drool just thinking about these candy.

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Well, first I checked the cadbury uk web site - and Turkish Delight is listed as nut free. Then, I went to the little Scottish Bakery and found it in the store. Half the size of a chocolate bar and it costs $1.69. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img] but it had a nut warning.

So, I just checked their web-site again. (I'm getting to be close friends with the little nutri-wizard [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] ). There are three different *turkish* bars - and two of them are nut-free. Unfortunately, the only one I found is the only one I cannot eat. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

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Hi Anna Marie,

Sorry for the delay.. glad you found it on the web site.. if you find it (nut free bar) in Toronto, be sure to post so I can go buy some too. hehe I haven't seen that nut-free Cadbury big turk bar in a few years. Thanks [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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spikedstallion, welcome! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

I'm sorry. Every Tim Horton's I have seen (in three different places in Ontario) has HUGE allergy alert signs at the entrance to the shop. It would never occur to me to buy ANYTHING for my PA son at a Tim Horton's anymore.

In purchasing a birthday cake for my son about three years ago from Tim Horton's, which was "peanut free" (the cake and icing itself), I had to sign a liability waiver when I picked up the cake.

Except when deluged by commercials of strawberry tarts drizzled in chocolate during the summer and their ice caps, I tend to boycott Tim Horton's because I think it is a real drag, big time, that our largest donut chain doesn't have a "safe" donut for my son.

However, I'm not sure where you would stand liability issue wise with them because unless your store is an exception, those signs are pretty clear and right in your face.

Sorry to hear of your reaction.

May I suggest that even if the person hadn't given you the wrong cookie, you *might* have had a reaction regardless due to cross-contamination? It's simply not worth the bother to patronize them food wise.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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