Tide, Bounce, Downy...

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By protectMyBoy on Sat, 03-10-01, 05:20

My pa son was experiencing a runny nose and itchy legs (he insists on sleeping in shorts year round!) in the morning. I contacted Procter and Gamble and was shocked to discover that they use peanut oil in the fragrance of their products. The customer service rep. confirmed at minimum, Bounce, Tide (with fragrance) ,Downy and Downy Enhancer contained peanut oil. When I asked her to provide me with a list of products which contained peanut. oil, she said "what other product of ours do you use?" I now only use detergent that is free of fragrance any dyes. Does anyone have a favorite? Oh, as a final note, they sent me an apology letter with a coupon for Downy Enhancer...a peanut oil containing product!!

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By Joshua's Momma on Sat, 03-10-01, 07:07

Very interesting...
I had no idea peanut oil was used in fragrance!! When my son was eight months old he was covered from head to toe with excema. One of the many changes I made at the time was switching to fragrance and dye free detergent. I have been using it for the entire family ever since. My favorite is ALL!

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By morgansmom on Sat, 03-10-01, 13:01

I'm shocked!! A company our family has worked for for years!! I love how Tide cleans your clothes, I think they are superior to other products, but we also had to change after I married my husband because he broke out into hives from the Tide. I always thought it was because of the enzymes in the Tide, it was very common for employees to be tested for enzyme sensitivity yearly at Procter and Gamble and if you became allergic you were transferred to another department.

After we had Morgan, we found we had problems with Downey and Bounce but never knew why? hhhmm She would break out in rashes and her eczema would get real bad. We now use Sunlight (which I hate, it doesn't get clothes all that clean), and Fleecy Original fabric softener. Maybe I should try the ALL as suggested above!

Thanks for the info!!

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By PattyR on Sat, 03-10-01, 14:30

That really is shocking! Is it written on the product anywhere that is contains peanut oil or is it just listed as fragrances? I also use All Free and Clear and have for years. My oldest son used to get rashes from other detergents.

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By andy on Sat, 03-10-01, 16:11

Thank you for this information. I had no idea. Andy

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By Lam on Sat, 03-10-01, 16:55

Incredible!!!

Would this count as an exposure? We've used Bounce every wash day since we've been married!!!!!! Our son's eczema was terrible from the first week home. It's gotten better, but never gone away (he's 4 now). Guess we'll be finding something else!!!

I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT!!!!!

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By macer on Sat, 03-10-01, 17:17

This is just insane, why would you put peanut oil in a detergent. I wonder what else it is in that just lists fragrance? Just another thing I can be paranoid about.

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By arachide on Sat, 03-10-01, 18:26

Thanks for the heads up!

I'm going to mention this thread in the "Alert" forum so more will see it.

[This message has been edited by arachide (edited March 10, 2001).]

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By L&Mojoe on Sat, 03-10-01, 19:55

Wow! I just can't believe this. Who the heck would've figured?!?!?!?! I've been using Tide (liquid and powder) mountain fresh scent for about 2 years. I use Bounce fabric softener sheets also. When Joe was a few weeks old, he had little bumps all over his body. The pediatrician recommended using that special baby detergent-Dreft I think it was called. But that got too expensive and time consuming. Well this is just a kick-in-the-pants, I really don't have the resources to be buying special laundry detergent. I'm looking forward to reading about what other people use.

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By Mom to Cayley on Sat, 03-10-01, 19:58

I agree - it does sound insane! The only reason I can come up with, is that nut oils in particular (almond, peanut) are excellent "carrier" oils to distribute fragrance evenly.

Nut oils are often recommended for use in conjunction with concentrated "essences" - 10 drops of concentrated rose oil combined with 1/4 cup of almond oil is supposed to be an effective moisturizer.

It must be included as a "distributor" for the concentrated fragrance. Now they need to explore other options for oils!

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By Linda-Jo on Sat, 03-10-01, 21:19

I use Arm & Hammer detergent and I use Cling Free dryer sheets (when on sale or I have a coupon!) or our local Stop&Shop supermarket dryer sheets. So far, we've had no problems. I do so much laundry that I found the A&H detergent was more of a value than any other detergent!

Hope this helps!

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By Going Nuts on Sat, 03-10-01, 21:33

We have used fragrance free detergent for years, and never used fabric softener until recently. I tried some Downy stuff, but both my kids got really itchy from it (can't imagine why!), so I stopped. BTW, when my kids were little their eczema was so bad I had to buy a washing machine so I could put everything through an extra rinse cycle. I just stopped doing that about 2 years ago.

Amy

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By on Sun, 03-11-01, 02:51

I am actually sitting here crying so much I am going to go crazy!!!! I have been using TIDE forever and my son always had those little bumps all over his body. It makes his skin feel very rough but it has never looked like excema. About a month or so ago I started using the Bounce fabric sheets and he has been itching like crazy!!!!!!! He takes his clothes off and scratches his body all over. I assumed that it was from a new 'allergy' but have been having trouble figuring out what food it could be. Now I am almost 100% sure that it is due to this. Thanks sooooo much...I am going to call the allergist tomorrow and let them know. I am so shocked and so upset. It really makes me sick.

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By NUT FREE on Sun, 03-11-01, 03:55

Thank you to all for your comments. I have a 3 year old with peanut allergy. We have noticed the itching and rashes but never tied it to a particular item. I believe what you all have shared has answered another question for me and my family.

God Bless!

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By maddiesmom on Sun, 03-11-01, 04:00

I have just recently noticed that every time my 2 1/2 year old gets out of the bath and I am drying her off with her towel, that within 3-5 minutes she starts to get hives on her (in various places-a few on her tummy, neck, legs, etc). We thought it could have been her bubbles or soap, but I have studied the labels and have not found any nut oils in them. I have been baffled...UNTIL NOW! We use Tide-but I just started using a Fragrence variety. AND I just started using dryer sheets. This discovery of Peanut Oil must be the reason she has been getting hives.

Gosh..I feel so bad for her that she has had to go through this after EVERY bath. I could just scream. What are the idiots at Proctor and Gamble thinking??????

Thanks for the heads up. You have solved my mystery around the house. Maybe I can make bathtime a little safer when I go out tomorrow and buy NEW detergent! THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

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By on Sun, 03-11-01, 04:49

Protect My Boy, welcome! I am one extremely angry woman right now. I did find arachide's post first under Alerts and Recalls so I posted there.

However, I think this is pure insanity. I consider Tide to be the best laundry detergent but I have actually been using Sears brand because it comes in a 192 load box at a relatively good price. I use Fleecy Vanilla Scented fabric sheets but know now that I'm going to have to check on them if Bounce uses peanut oil to distribute the scent. Fortunately, I don't use Downey but I always love the smell of people who do use it in their laundry.

I'm extremely p-o-ed. From what I've read, there are SEVERAL reactions that may have been caused by these items. Are they labeled? NO!

Is this something FAAN would even be aware of? Should everyone whose child or themselves have had a reaction contact FAAN and include it as a reaction to cosmetics/toiletries? From my cosmetic reactions thread and the response I got from FAAN I do know that they do want to hear about reactions to things.

My head is going to explode! I am just so angry. When I read something like this, and I am VERY thankful that you posted it, I think I've probably gone insane or else the rest of the world has. I just can't believe it. It's idiotic!

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Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By Triciasmom on Sun, 03-11-01, 05:55

How else can I say this: [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img]

Of all the stupid, idiotic, thoughtless, insane.... This just really ruined my day. How could they put peanut oil in laundry detergent?! What were they thinking? Obviously they WEREN'T thinking. Or they had their heads up their giant corporate a$$.

I use Tide all the time. It is the best detergent on the market that I've found that keeps clothes (especially whites) from getting that grey, pastey look to them. Fortunately, I have been using Dreft on Patricia's clothes and double rinsing. Also double rinsing the bedsheets (those are washed in Tide).

I just bought another huge bottle of Tide. So I am going to return it first thing Monday and get the All that a lot of you have mentioned.

Well, I'm going to go vent some steam offline before I start typing something too profane. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

Amy

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By Lam on Sun, 03-11-01, 12:43

So, are we all going to be calling the manufacturers of our detergents tomorrow morning?!?!? I will be. We use Wisk - always have.

Am I right in assuming, then, that only the Bounce with fragrance is a problem? That the unscented would be okay?? I'll call them tomorrow, just to be sure.

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By Mom to Cayley on Sun, 03-11-01, 13:08

I found a webpage for feedback to Proctor & Gamble. You can select one of a number of items to comment on, including Tide and Downy. Interestingly, in a complete breakdown of their ingredients (go to the P & G homepage and type "ingredients" into the search engine on the left side of the page), peanut oil or any oil is not mentioned.

Here is the address for comments: [url="http://app07.recipio.com/pg_com/product_feedback_new.html"]http://app07.recipio.com/pg_com/product_feedback_new.html[/url]

Lam, I use Wisk also - Tide does work well, but some clothing (esp. jean) manufacturers do not recommend it because it works TOO well, breaking down the clothing fibres and causing the item to prematurely "age". I'm interested in hearing about Wisk - not that I've ever had trouble with any laundry products - just lucky, I guess.

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By Mom to Cayley on Sun, 03-11-01, 13:57

Just did a bit more research - peanut oil is used in soap as an emulisfier - it creates a long-lasting lather. Nut oils are common ingredients in soaps - why didn't we think of laundry soap sooner?!

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By on Sun, 03-11-01, 18:19

Mom to Cayley, in reading that peanut oil is used as an emulsifier, it would make sense that we should have thought of laundry soap before. However, I just think that we are overwhelmed enough with grocery shopping (and the whole long list of "may contains" "made ins") and now the cosmetics "thing" that this is just something we couldn't possibly have fathomed. I'm still reeling and extremely angry.

I know exactly what you are saying. Perhaps we should go through our homes and see what products we are bringing into them (for housecleaning, etc.) and make sure that they are safe. It does seem really overwhelming.

From Rilira's 504 Plan for her daughter Rachel, I did learn one thing, and yes, I should probably have questioned ANY soap (including laundry) at that time. I had to e-mail Jesse's principal to make sure that the soft soap in the dispenser at the school was "safe".

This just seems neverending, but at least when we all put our heads together we get the information we need (thank-you Mom to Cayley for the website link you provided) and start to question things that any normal person, PA parent or not, would not have thought to think about.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By Mir on Sun, 03-11-01, 22:42

Count me as another parent whose PA child has always had bumpy, dry, irritated skin. Of course I use both Tide AND Bounce. Or I guess I should say that I DID use them... unbelievable... headed to the P&G site right now to add my comments.

Miriam

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By blackmoss on Sun, 03-11-01, 23:09

I have been frantic over this since I read this yesterday morning. I have been calling everyone who we see on a regular basis to see what detergent, softner, etc that they use. I had checked detergents a while back but didn't ask for anything else. (At that point, his ped thought he was reacting to someone's detergent because sometimes he would break out anywhere clothes or diaper weren't.) After that I started putting one of his blankets between him and whoever was holding him. That however gets to be cumbersome and hard to explain and sometimes too hot for Stephen. Before handing off my child off it was bad enough trying to find out what they had eaten and if they had washed their hands etc, now to ask what detergent do they use?? YEAH RIGHT!! I guess I will go back to the "DO NOT TOUCH MY CHILD" attitude I had before. It's so hard though as everyone wants to hold or in the least touch the baby. Guess, I will go back to letting people think I am overly paranoid. As they are not the ones who are up all night trying to soothe a screaming, crying, itching seven month old who is broken out from head to toe and itches so much he makes himself bleed.
Jami

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By Beth38 on Mon, 03-12-01, 01:02

Hi Everyone,

Thanks so much for posting this news, Arachide! I happen to use all three products for my husbands and my clothes, but not for our 3 year old pa son who's got eczema as well. One thing I've noticed though was when my husband or I would hold our son, and (for example) his face was resting on our shoulder, his face would get red (not like an eczema breakout). We thought it was due to body heat. Now I'm thinking differently. I havent' switched to a stronger laundry detergent for my son - we still use Dreft because of the eczema. But I've just noticed that Dreft is also made by P&G. Many years ago, I heard that Tide POWDER had peanut shells (but that was 15-20 years ago). Now I'm wondering about the Dreft because it is a powder. I've also been guilty of using a couple drops of Downey (a big eczema no-no) in my sons laundry (followed by a second final rinse cycle) to break the winter static. And, although I don't use dryer sheets in my sons clothes, I do use Bounce for ours ... I'm sure there's probably some residue left in the dryer. I'm absolutely furious that P&G hasn't put any kind of statement on their packaging. Are they legally immune for some reason? Does anyone know? I'll be looking forward to seeing what other people are using, but I think it's wise for all of us to check with the manufacturers before doing the next load. If Tide uses peanut, there's a good chance that others will too. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

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By marla on Mon, 03-12-01, 13:12

Thanks for the useful (and surprising) information. I usually buy other brands, and without fragrance or dyes because I have had hives from the Tide (and so has my mother). The brands I buy, however, do not clean as well, and just last week I was looking longingly at the Tide in the store because it was on sale and it cleans so much better. But I didn't buy it, and certainly will not buy any Tide again. We do not use dryer sheets anyway--they have always seemed one more way for the manufacturers to get consumers to spend more money.

This goes back to what I feel is the biggest problem--accurate labelling. Who knows what is in other products with "fragrances"? For us, almond oil would be just as dangerous. I think that sharing information like this, contacting manufacturers/restaurants and working on truth in labelling is the most valuable thing this site does. Thanks.

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By arachide on Mon, 03-12-01, 13:57

Beth38 - credit goes to ProtectMyBoy for spilling the beans on P&G. I merely posted about it in the Alerts forum so more would see this shocking piece of info.

I remember seeing tv ads for fragrance-free detergents several years ago, but nothing recently. Anyone know of existing brands that would suit the fragrance-free bill - both American and/or Canadian? Where can these be purchased? Drugstores? Grocery stores? Of course they must cost more than the regular detergents... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

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By shannon on Mon, 03-12-01, 14:37

Arachide,

I am in the US, but I always use ALL free and clear, it has been mentioned on this thread before, but I thought I would mention where I buy it, pretty much any where, the super market, wal-mart, target, But I usually buy it at Costco, I get the huge liquid in the dispenser that sits on a shelf usually for about 11.00 (which is actually less than others like tide). The smallest bottle that I get at wal-mart or the market is usually 3.00 or 4.00 which is also less than tide I believe.

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By KayMarks on Mon, 03-12-01, 15:00

Hi- well, I called first thing today and spoke with a Tracy Sparks. She was very helpful and said she would be very willing to check any product for me. They keep a list of products that people have asked about regarding certain allergens. This way, info can be immediately told to us. She said that when she checked Tide, no one had called about it and it wasn't on the list, so she is calling me back (may take a few days) after she speaks with research. She did say that Gain was asked about and it DOES NOT contain any peanut product. I also asked about Cascade Dishwashing detergent and it again DOES NOT contain any pa products. When asked about Downey and Bounce, the list said there is a derivative of what could be a peanut product. They are not sure, but to be safe, they ask us to avoid using them. She then gave me their address and said that they would be happy to go through my list of products to determine if they were safe. When I went to their website, I made note of all their products I use. The address to write is :
Proctor and Gamble Consumer Relations
P. O. Box 599
Cincinatti Ohio 45201

Tracy said to get a list together and send it in. Of course I told her about labeling and to reiterate my concerns about there being no warning. She will pass this on. When I write, I will make sure to let them know everything about PA/labeling/FAAN. I always check/call about every product. I know that I called Tide 3 yrs ago, and was told that there wasn't any peanut product in it. My daughter has ezcema and I didn't want to use Tide on her because it was too harsh. I use ALL free and clear and have had no problems. I just started using Tide's free and clear- but will hold off for now. Well, hopefully, if we all get together on this, we can get them to start labeling properly. Tracy said they listen to all complaints and take them seriously! I will mail my letter today, and will update when I get a response. Kelly

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By on Mon, 03-12-01, 15:00

I will definately not be using any of these products again but I am curious if this only applies to the liquid or the powder or both. I was laying in bed last night thinking about this when that thought popped into my mind.

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By yarnwoman on Mon, 03-12-01, 16:41

I to have been trying to find out the reasons behind the mystery itches and came in here last night to find out it may be what I am using to wash with. I just recently moved and tide was on sale we hadn't used it before as my husband said he was allgeric to it but all was fine but AXel was itching if he sweated. I too called P&G this morning the only detergent the woman said that didn't list that it had no peanut was GAIN and that bounce and Downy as long as it was no fragrances or dyes were ok. Anything with fragrances or dyes has this thing that might be peanut she said. They have nothing on tide and are checking. I was the 5th call she had gotten and I warned her to be prepared for all of us to be calling. She also said the more people call the more the product development people will be doing. I also brought up the labeling issue and she said she would forward it on.christyn

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By Heather on Mon, 03-12-01, 17:01

I buy All Free and Clear too..in bulk at BJ's. Are we sure it doesn't contain peanut oil? I just sent Unilever an e-mail.

Off the subject of peanut oil but I should mention here that my friend just became an EMT and warned me how dangerous detergent is if a toddler swallows it. I looked around my laundry room and there stacked up on the floor was my detergent - right a toddler height. I now keep it up high out of toddler reach and the extras up high in the basement.

OH!...another additional comment...all of the OshKosh labels endorse Tide. I think we should start in on Osh-Kosh that they not endorse a product that contains peanut oil!

[This message has been edited by Heather (edited March 12, 2001).]

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By Adam's Mom on Mon, 03-12-01, 17:09

I also called P&G first thing this morning.

I was told Bounce and Downey contained what was considered a peanut derivative. They were unsure about the fragrance free and were to look it up.

I asked about Tide, and they said no peanut oils/derivatives, same with Ivory Snow.

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By Lam on Mon, 03-12-01, 17:58

I called the number on the Bounce box this morning. I was told, yes, Bounce with fragrance has peanut oil in it. I asked about Bounce Free - she said it did not show peanut oil where she looked it up.

I also called Wisk. I got a really unhelpful person - the same person twice, actually! I called twice to try and get better info. Anyway, I was told there was no peanut or nut oil of any kind in Wisk liquid detergent.

I told the people I spoke with about the website, and that probably a lot of us would be calling!!

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By arachide on Mon, 03-12-01, 17:59

I had "fun" making my calls this morning.
First I contacted the 800# on the side of my Tide box (consumer relations - Toronto). I was assured by a too-perky rep that P&G would "never" have a potential allergen in a product without indicating it on the label (!!!).

I then contacted the P&G office here in Montreal. I was given the 800# for consumer relations - Canada. These caught off guard people gave me the 800# for consumer relations in the US (1-800-332-7787) because they said there is no product development division in Canada.

The startled US consumer relations rep I spoke to was unable to answer my question, stating that "perfume" was an ingredient on her list but nothing specific. She took down my phone number and promised to call me back in a day or two with an answer (I'm not holding my breath...)

ProtectMyBoy - could you post the number you contacted where you were given the info re: peanut oil?

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By mom2two on Mon, 03-12-01, 19:34

I just called P&G and was told Downey DOES possibly contain a peanut oil derivative in the fragrance portion.
UNBELIEVABLE!!!
No wonder all of our kids always suffer from various unexplained rashes!!
I am writing FAN a letter today to send out a warning! Also calling my daughters pediatric allergist who works at Mt. Sinai to warn his patients as well.
I was told they would send me a coupon for Downey free that didn't have the peanut oil. No thanks!
No I have to check on Wisk Free.
UGH!!!

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By Cayley's Mom on Mon, 03-12-01, 19:42

OK, now I realize just how unobservant I am. I thought I'd been using Wisk for the past few years... about a year ago, Costco stopped carrying Wisk and started carrying Tide, which my husband started to buy. Same big red jug - I only noticed this morning it was Tide when I went to check for ingredients (hubby says he told me last year... whatever...I'm sleep-deprived...).

Guess I'll never be called in as a police witness, anyway... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/redface.gif[/img]

So, I'm getting the impression that Tide is OK - both liquid AND powder? It's just Downy we need to be concerned about (I DO use Downy - I checked - HA!)? Is it the liquid as well as the dryer sheets ('cause I only use the liquid)?

Thanks to everyone who made calls and has posted info regarding them! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By Triciasmom on Mon, 03-12-01, 20:20

I called Tide this afternoon and talked to Judy. She looked up the info for Tide and could not find peanuts listed as any ingredient. I told her that someone had been told that it contained peanut oil. And she said that because we had conflicting info, she would do some more checking and personally get back to me. Meanwhile, she said that she uses Tide free because her daughter has very sensitive skin. She said she would send me a coupon so I could try Tide Free.

Then I called Dreft. I talked to Lauren. She said that there was no listing of peanuts for Dreft. I mentioned that peanut oil is sometimes used for fragrance bases. She said that it is hard to track that info because the fragrance bases are made by various different companies. But she said that she would check for me. Meanwhile, she said that the only product listed as being definitely peanut-free was Gain.

Amy

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By on Mon, 03-12-01, 21:30

Wow! There has been a lot of work done on this since the last time I visited. I actually feel guilty [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/redface.gif[/img] ! All I have to contribute, which is very little, is that I checked both my laundry detergent (Sears) last night and the Fleecy dryer sheets. Of course, there are NO ingredients listed anywhere. I do have to contact Sears to find out about the detergent and I also have to contact Colgate Palmolive re the Fleecy sheets.

I am still SO upset about this because Tide is the best detergent and you know what? I'm fairly sure that it was on sale last Fall that was when Jesse's back broke out in the ezcema. I'm really p-o-ed. Also, my Mother, whose clothes always smell so lovely (I love the smell of my Mom! LOL!) uses Downey. If I tell this poor nearly 72 year old woman about the Downey, I'm not sure what will happen.
Actually, her clothes never really come into contact with the kids - she's not a hands-on Grandma, so maybe I just won't say anything.

I believe it was in Rilira's 504 Plan for Rachel, the 26 point plan under Schools, where she has mentioned that you should check what your school uses to clean with. Because of this, I did e-mail Jesse's principal and received information about ALL of the cleaning products used in the school.

Now thinking about it (similar to how the school had 2 Epi-pens and I only had one), perhaps I should have been also thinking about the cleaners I use at home. Oh my soul, who is going to break this news to Connie? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

I actually didn't receive a response to my e-mail to P & G yet. I still would have liked to have seen their faces.

I'll e-mail about my two items later and see what answer I get and post it in here.

It would also be great, once we've all done our research if we could come in and organize and somehow come up with a list of what's safe and not safe - a very clear list. What do you think?

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By macer on Mon, 03-12-01, 22:00

Anyone know about palmolive or Ivory dish soap?

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By Heather on Mon, 03-12-01, 22:06

Gosh, I didn't even think about dish soap. My head is spinning. I called about Ivory bar soaps a few months back and was told they are safe. If memory serves me correctly, they list ingredients on their web site. That's not to say they might still say "fragrance" in general.

In my e-mail to Lever Brother, I asked them to let me know what soap products contain peanut/tree nut oil. I'll let you guys know what they say.

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By katiee on Mon, 03-12-01, 22:34

When I first read this post I was shocked and I guess at first "disbelieving" if you will. This is so unbelievable, it almost sounds like an "urban legend". Well, given the "lax" labelling laws we have here in Canada I don't suppose we should be all that surprised.

I've sent an e-mail to Proctor & Gamble as well with specific questions as to the ingredients in their products. No word yet...I think we're all keeping them pretty busy with our requests for information. What I was thinking was perhaps whatever it is they are using re: peanut component may not be a problematic. From what I can understand about peanut oil (if that's what they are using), it's only the unrefined peanut oil which poses a problem for PA individuals, refined peanut oil (largely what is used in North America) has the offending protein removed. That said, I know that our allergist said that although refined peanut oil would not pose a potential problem, we should avoid it to prevent a possible reaction in the event that it is not refined properly.

I guess then that peanut oil would be a problem no matter what kind of peanut oil or by-product they use. So I've answered my own question there.

Would they be so ignorant as to use something this dangerous, a known allergen, in their products. I though that the Canadian legislation specifically said that if peanuts or their by-products are an ingredient then they have to be listed as such on the product packaging. Does this legislation only apply to food? Anyone who has visited the Canadian Food Inspection Agency's web site knows that it's not all that easy to find specific information. But I will spend some time there searching after I get my "three little darlings" to bed tonight.

I've used Tide and Bounce and Ivory Snow and, this far anyway, Wade has not had any problems with it.

I hope we're wrong about all this, but based on what many others have said on this as well as posted replys re: conversations with Proctor and Gamble, I have a sinking feeling that we're not. Maybe Wade has not reacted to the products because he's not "touch" sensitive and the children who have reacted are.

I hope they're forthcoming with some concrete answers soon. (can't you just hear the phones ringing to their lawyers now...)

Regards,

Katiee (Wade's mom)

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By Procter & Gamble on Mon, 03-12-01, 22:41

We're sorry to intrude on your message board, but some of your members have contacted us about your discussion. We understand the concerns you have about the use of peanut-derived products in laundry products; some of our family members have allergies to nuts, too.

We believe some people may have misinterpreted the information our phone representatives shared, or taken it out of context. We know you wouldn't want to spread false information to others, so we're here to share what we know -- straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

We value the safety of the people who use our products above everything else and we want you to feel secure when using our brands. The only ingredient in our laundry products that could contain a material derived from nuts would be fragrance. We'd hate for anyone to attribute a rash or other reaction to a fragrance when the cause could be something else altogether. Your allergist is in the best position to help you determine the cause of an allergic reaction.

Having said that, we're working actively with our toxicologists and the teams that developed our Tide, Bounce, Downy and other laundry products to get accurate information to you about the fragrances in our products and how they might or might not have an effect on people with peanut allergies.

Until then, we hope it reassures you to know we market several fragrance-free products. These "free" products do not contain peanut oil or nut-derived ingredients.

Tide Free - liquid and powder
Cheer Free - liquid and powder
Ultra Downy Free - liquid
Bounce Free - sheets

We promise to keep in touch and update you as soon as we get the accurate information you requested.

Thanks for your patience,

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Procter & Gamble Consumer Relations / Fabric & Home Care Team

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By Cayley's Mom on Mon, 03-12-01, 22:46

THANK YOU Proctor & Gamble and many kudos to your company.

I am unbelievably impressed! If all manufacturers were as concerned and involved as your company, we wouldn't have any worries.

Did I mention how impressed I am?! Looking forward to the follow up.

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By on Mon, 03-12-01, 23:05

I also must say thanks to Procter & Gamble. I am still upset but am relieved that they took our comments seriously.

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By DMB on Mon, 03-12-01, 23:08

Boy . . . I'm off the boards for a couple of days and look what I come back to! Wow! I have literally been using Tide and Downey fabric softener since my pa son was born--almost 4 years now. He is extremely sensitive to touch (peanuts), but I have to say he has never had any problems with his skin. There is only one time he had an unexplained "rash" and we traced that back to a shampoo that had almond oil in it.

Now my younger son who does not have pa that we know of, does have sensitive skin--mainly his cheeks. I switched to the dye & perfume free Tide for his clothes and beddings and his "red cheeks" have gotten much better.

That's great that P & G took the time to come in here and post. I guess I won't have to make any calls or send any emails, huh? I'm looking forward to hearing what they have to say.

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By Sue on Mon, 03-12-01, 23:10

Thank you proctor and Gamble - I have a VERY large extended family and we all use tide. Everyone has purchased a small box of ALL free laundry detergent (allergist's suggestion) until we find out about your companies use of peanut products.

Thank You for taking the time to look into this issue.

Sue in Sunny Arizona

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By katiee on Mon, 03-12-01, 23:56

All I can say is WOW! Kudos to Proctor & Gamble for their obvious understanding regarding the seriousness of this issue.

It' refreshing to see a company take this issue to heart and try to put us at ease.

Regards,

Katiee (Wade's mom)

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By yarnwoman on Tue, 03-13-01, 00:02

WOW! I to am very impressed. the person I spoke to today at P&G had asked where I found this information and I told her at peanutallergy.com and she said they had gotten many phone calls and that maybe they should go to the web site and post their answers but I really didn't think they would. I am very impressed and agree that its to bad more companies aren't this considerate.
christyn

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By WoozerMom on Tue, 03-13-01, 00:36

How uplifting it is to find a Corporation who understands our problems. Thank you Proctor & Gamble.

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WoozerMom

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By arachide on Tue, 03-13-01, 00:38

Now if only some of our questionable food companies would do the same.... thanks for listening P&G.

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By Donna Fitz on Tue, 03-13-01, 00:44

WOW!!! very impressive Procter & Gamble, your quick reply & willingness to check into this matter is greatly appreciated, you've kept my family and extended family as customer's.

[This message has been edited by Donna Fitz (edited March 12, 2001).]

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