Some Kind of Tree Nut Shells as Organic Garden Covering?

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Okay, so we live in a duplex, which means that I live in one house and there is a house attached to me. The houses inside are exactly the same and basically our yards are the same as well. You get the idea.

So, the new people next door have done some amazing work inside their home and now that it's nice outside they are doing work outside of their home as well. This has prompted my DH to do some outside work as well. Right now, everyone is working on the front of the house, so the front lawn and the front gardens, digging out old hedges, etc.

I wanted to see what kinds of flowers the woman next door had planted and I had just been out admiring what DH had done with our front garden - instead of using red brick like they did next door, he used some really nice old rocks, big ones, just wonderful looking for the border of our garden. I was afraid that he was going to do the red brick thing like next door.

So, I'm looking down and I can't really see what she's planted flower wise but what I can see is that their whole garden is covered with some kind of dark nut shell. It's obviously been shredded to use for ground covering. You know the kind of red wood chips you can buy to put in your garden that look really nice? Well, this is what this stuff looks like except it's not. It's a bloody nut covering.

I called DH over and of course because Jesse isn't TNA (yet, touch wood - remember the 30% chance of becoming TNA) he thinks no big deal and of course I'm Psycho Mom from He** again.

I've just never seen this before. Never. I have seen the wood chips people use but never this nut shell covering. It does look like it has been shredded up quite a bit and I couldn't even tell you if the actual nut is in there too, shredded with the shell of the nut.

They're a youngish couple around 30 that I will describe as modern day hippies (whatever that means, but I know what it means to me). So, they're probably doing some kind of organic thing. It does look very nice.

But I'm out there and I'm like WTF is this?

Has anyone else ever seen this type of covering? And if they have this type of covering in whatever type of nut this is, does that mean that there are peanut ground coverings out there as well and I just haven't run across them yet?

I'm going to re-raise ajas_folks' thread on Unusual or Unexpected Sources of Peanuts and give it a good read later.

I did ask DH if he could ask them what type of nut it was.

We also have what I think is a light walnut tree growing in their backyard which drops the nuts all over our backyard and I have been okay with that simply because Jesse isn't TNA. But still. The woman who lived there before (for 11 years) said they were butternuts but I've never heard of them before, they look like walnuts, but not dark ones.

I have had friends tell me about having to clean up all the peanuts in the yards that other neighbours have been feeding the squirrels all winter and I've been horrified and thankful that no one does that around here.

But what the heck is that in the front garden next door? Has anyone else ever seen it?

I'm stunned and of course, DH thinks I'm insane.

Oh, and one last note. As soon as I came in, I'm just in now, not recovered, I thought, okay, at least I can post this on PA.com and someone will have something to post. Thank heaven for PA.com. I know it's not peanut shells and I know Jesse's not allergic to tree nuts but I'm still quite shaken.

Many thanks and best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Cindy -

Could it be cocoa shells? My dad used to use them way back when...really just chaff from cocoa beans, I think -- kind of a pleasant odor, came in big burlap sacks.

They don't look like the chunky wood "chips" -- more like great big popcorn hulls.

Never a dull moment with all this, eh?

Hang in there...

-Sue

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That's what I was thinking too--cocoa mulch. My dad used to use it all the time when I was a kid. It's absolutely awesome stuff because it smells sooooo good! Why everyone can't use cocoa mulch I'll never know. The world would be a better place just by smelling the stuff. Wish we had it where we live now, but that red mulch seems to be the rage. Personally I don't care for it that much. The brown mulch is my preference because of the natural look.

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Thank-you so much for the replies. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Do cocoa beans look anything like tree nuts? There are still the shells of whatever it is in the mulch and to me they looked like pistachio nuts, that kind of shape. The colour is dark reddy brown (if that makes sense) and I don't notice a distinctive or nice odour from them, but then again, I was probably too freaked to think about it. No, I did go to see if there was some of the mulch or whatever it is that had a whole nut in it because I was going to eat one and I put the shell of one into my mouth and there was no distinct smell. Perhaps though they lost their odour along the way.

DH said that he would check with the people as soon as they came home and of course, he hasn't. It's only me that this seems to have phased at all. I know that it isn't a big deal because Jesse isn't TNA but I can't help but thinking if they're making mulch (thank-you for the word by the way) out of tree nuts, which may or may not be the case, could they possibly make one out of peanuts as well? And why not? Perhaps their bland colour would become all the rage, who knows?

I'll see if DH can ask the guy next door since they're both outside in the backyard.

And I guess the other thing to me is what if Jesse was TNA? What would I do then? Their walkway is basically my walkway and they've spread this mulch all the way up there on the ground as well. I recognize that Jesse is not TNA so what I am going on about, but does anyone understand me or have I really just completely lost it?

I have friends whose children are TNA. We've always kept a PA/TNA free home. Yes, I do have the walnuts or whatever they are falling into my backyard now and probably the first day I saw those last Fall I was freaked out as well "just in case".

Of course I think DH has totally lost his wits to-day anyway. We're talking about planting a vegetable garden and he wants to plant basil so we can make pesto. I know that there is a pesto recipe posted here where you don't need tree nuts. But here's what he's thinking - buy the tree nuts and wash them.

I just looked at him as though he was insane although perhaps it is me. I asked him why it is we don't buy tree nuts EVER (i.e., for any recipes I would like to have them in) and somehow that was different because he wants the pesto. I also understand that I could make the pesto for adults only.

But washing the cross-contamination, if any, off of the tree nuts? To me, he's not quite "getting it" to-day because I think it also means usually with tree nuts that there may be an actual peanut bit in there as well.

I'll try to find out what the mulch is next door.

I did read through the whole thread of ajas_folks' which I re-raised and the closest thing I could find with peanut in it was gardening or potting soil. It was a good read though and it would be great to see some additions (not great, but you know what I mean - more stuff that we've found out since the thread was last up-dated that has peanut oil in it - I know I didn't post about Oil of Olay products possibly containing peanut oil in them in that thread and I *should* have, perhaps will do that now).

Many thanks and best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Cindy, here is a link that shows cocoa mulch. [url="http://www.hersheys.com/mulch/"]http://www.hersheys.com/mulch/[/url] Hope this helps. I totally understand how you feel - it never seems to end the places peanuts/nuts show up.

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Cindy,

Due to hot summers, an enormous perennial garden and numerous trees we planted when landscaping, it was recommended we "mulch" them in. No one ever mentioned "slime molds". As I have stated previously, our son has Asthma, (under difficult control), and in addition to PA/Nuts/some other Legumes, he has many E.A.'s. Our younger child has not been officially diagnosed with "Asthma", but it has been mentioned as a possibility. One of the E.A.'s that my older son is HIGHLY sensitive to is molds, which happen to particularly intensify his Asthma. Unfortunately, despite warnings, the children BOTH love to stomp on the mold colonies and observe the enchanting cloud of "dust" (mold spores?) that results from some, often in an explosive "poof".

[url="http://ppdl.org/dd/id/slime_molds-mulch.html"]http://ppdl.org/dd/id/slime_molds-mulch.html[/url]

We are purchasing a complimentary, medium grade, smooth rock this year.

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Disclaimer: This post not intended as advice in any manner or form. Merely a description of *our* personal situation.

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Bootsy, thank-you for the link. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Yes, that's it. Thank-you to everyone else who replied. You must think I'm a right idiot because I've never seen this before (perhaps it was that small town living for almost four years, I don't know [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] ) No, that's definitely it.

DH did ask the people next door late last night and was told it was cocoa mulch. This morning with his wits more about him re PA he was wondering if we should call the manufacturer to see if there is a possibility of cross-contamination (remember, this is from the man who wanted to wash the cross-contamination off tree nuts yesterday [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img] )

Momma Bear, I can't even imagine a mould covering. I'm severely allergic to mould and I suspect Jesse is as well. I would nearly die if I had that. When I have a migraine in particular I can really smell if I have any mould or mildew problems, which I don't in this house thankfully but really did in the last one. But even when the shower curtain gets mouldy or mildewy and I have a migraine, boom, I can smell it.

Thank heaven it's cocoa beans. Now, I'm wondering if it is possible that there is a peanut shell mulch out there as well. It is a by-product and my soul, the cocoa mulch does look *good* next door. I'd bet my bottom dollar that there is a peanut mulch out there and we just haven't run across it.

Thank-you everyone. I feel SO much better now. I really appreciate it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Hi Cindy,

My dd is TNA and PA, so I have been in tune with tree nut allergy stuff for a while now. TN as inhalation does not seem to be as big a deal as PN inhalation or touch contact does. I think that, in general, TN do not have the same strong dust or stickiness that bring on the air and contact allergies. Peanut is a very strong element.

Please correct me if you have different info.

However, based on that info, I think that you certainly would be OK with a may contain ground covering next door.

Hope that helps

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Chicago, thank-you, that did help. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] It also raised another question in my brain (any TNA reactions from inhalation?). I really appreciated how you outlined your information.

Since Jesse isn't TNA, I'm not going to worry about their mulch next door. It's not like he's going to be stomping through their garden. I think for me mostly yesterday it was like a "what if" question and I guess it really still is - "what if" the mulch had been a tree nut and "what if" there is a peanut shell mulch out there? Sometimes these things can just boggle your mind (more than mine is usually boggled [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] )

I appreciated your answer. Thank-you. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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