questioning chickenpox vaccine

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By little noah's mommy on Fri, 08-19-05, 00:49

I have searched past threads & other internet info about this, but am still not sure what to do about vaccinating! Noah may have to attend daycare sometime in the next few months, though I haven't found a pn free one that is also workable at this point& that's a whole other issue [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img] I realized that I now need to address the vaccines I put off, such as chickenpox & mmr. He's 20 months now & it seems exposure to chickenpox is more likely than mmr, so I thought I would get him vaccinated tomorrow at a checkup. Then I started doing even more research into it, & now I don't know what to do. He has 'mild asthma'. I read that if a kid with asthma has a bad episode & has to take steroids and then happens to get the chicken pox soon after it can be devastating/deadly. On the other hand, there are negatives & unknowns about the vaccine. So I would appreciate any opinions out there!

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By on Fri, 08-19-05, 01:10

little noah's mommy, both of my children had the chicken pox vaccination (I forget at what age). Both of them got a very mild case of chicken pox regardless - not at the same time. They got the vaccination when it really first came out in Canada and when I spoke with the pharmacist about how my son (my daughter didn't get them until this past year) got them still, he said that the first vaccine was different than the ones they have now (maybe 5 years later?).

They had both had all of their regular vaccinations previous to the chicken pox vaccine though. Also at the time they got the chicken pox vaccine it was not something covered under our Ontario Health Insurance Plan, but something you actually had to pay for out of pocket (which is unusual in Ontario, although becoming more common).

They didn't suffer any ill effects from any of their vaccines.

What is your main concern? Simply vaccinations in general or to do with your child's PA?

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By little noah's mommy on Fri, 08-19-05, 02:44

Thanks for responding, CSC. I am sorry your kids still got the cpox, but at least it was mild. My concern is that there has been such an increase in the number of vaccinations for kids the last several years & there also seems to be an increase in the number of kids with other issues like asthma, allergies, autism spectrum disorders, etc. I wonder if there is a connection there that has just not been proven definitively enough for the cdc to cut back on some of the vaccines. I know most kids do not have any problems with their vaccines & understand that for most kids the risk of the disease is far worse than the risk of the vaccine. But I wonder if there are certain kids that may have some sensitivity or predisposition to having ill effects from vaccines. It also seems that the long term effects of certain vaccines are really unknown-especially chickenpox. I do look back & wonder if Noah's development of FA had something to do with getting several vaccines & then later that day perhaps nursing after I had eaten the offending food or something. Sorry to ramble. This is a tough decision for me.

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By MommaBear on Fri, 08-19-05, 03:02

Quote:Originally posted by little noah's mommy:
[b]But I wonder if there are certain kids that may have some sensitivity or predisposition to having ill effects from vaccines. [/b]

I don't know.

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By Edinview on Fri, 08-19-05, 05:16

My son had a chicken pox vaccine at the recommended age -sorry can't remember when but it was pretty young and he did have the peanut allergy then. He also had horrible eczema and from my reading I understood that chicken pox and smallpox would be very bad diseases for him to contract. So I made a point to ask my pediatrician and she assured me it would be safe to get the vaccination (because I wondered whether the vaccine was modified live virus or killed virus or what). You might want to get both allergist's and pediatrician's specific recommendations on those specific vaccines before you get the shots.

For us, it was better to have the protection against the diseases since those had the high potential to be devastating and the shot complications were supposed to be mild (and turned out to be no problem, thank goodness).

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By Peg541 on Fri, 08-19-05, 05:17

My son had the chicken pox vaccine at the age of 13. No problems. He's PA.
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By Claire on Fri, 08-19-05, 10:51

I understand how you feel about Noah getting the vaccination. I felt terrible when my son had to have his. He needed it in order to go to school. My DR. really didn't want to give it because he feels it best to get the chicken pox and get it over. However it is the law to have it. my son was fine and didn't have any reactions of any sort.
Best of luck to you CLaire

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By Christabelle on Fri, 08-19-05, 11:36

Funny how doctors are all different. Mine was very pro-vaccination because she said a certain number of children die from chicken pox, and that others are permanently scarred or injured otherwise. In fact she got visibly miffed at the 'just get chicken pox and get it over with' camp because she said chicken pox is really not that mild, the potential is there for a fatal outcome (though very rarely.)

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By JaneyL on Fri, 08-19-05, 12:00

My two youngest had the chickenpox vaccine right around their first birthdays. They didn't have any problems with it that stand out in my memory.

What does stand out is my oldest who woke up covered in horrible sores when he was 9 months old. The chicken pox-he had a fever from 102 to 104 for almost a week in spite of tylenol, ice pops, and tepid oatmeal baths. We won't talk about the screaming, itching, and crying. There was no consoling him. In spite of everything he has a few scars to this day-he's 12 now.

The one thing I have done is spread out my childrens' vaccinations. I never let them get more than 2 shots at any given visit.

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By michaelsmom on Fri, 08-19-05, 13:34

My husband got the vaccine when it first came out because he had never had the chicken pox. My PA son had it - I don't recall at what age he got it. Neither had an adverse reaction.

My daughter developed the chicken pox at 11 months of age - 1 month before she was due to be immunized. She was out of school for 3 weeks because she kept getting more and more spots. It seemed like every time they started getting better, a new batch would come. Needless to say, my husband and I missed a lot of work. I believe that my son (who did receive the shot) got a very, very mild case also when my daughter had it. He had a few spots that looked suspicious, although they didn't bother him at all.

With the increasing use of the vaccination, there is a greater risk that children who aren't vaccinated may not get exposed until they are an adult. Before making any decisions on whether or not to vaccinate, I would encourage you to research the risks of getting the disease as an adult. I know someone who got the chicken pox as an adult and ended up in the hospital for a week.

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By Adele on Fri, 08-19-05, 14:26

My son also had the chicken pox vaccine (8years ago) as an adult with no problems.

As a child, his wife wasn't vaccinated for any diseases as her parents didn't believe in them. Eventually she had to have them in order to attend school. I am always amazed when people choose NOT to vaccinate their children. My interest in genealogy made me realize how many children died from diptheria, measles, etc.

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By Darkmage on Fri, 08-19-05, 20:48

My PA & DA almost 5 year old son got the shot when he was 12 months. No problems.

My Non-FA daughter got the shot at 18 months. No problems again.

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By little noah's mommy on Fri, 08-19-05, 23:47

Thanks everyone for your replies. I felt better about going to the dr today hearing the positives about getting the vaccine. Since Noah is behind, she decided to give him the Hib today (haemophilus influenzae type b / it is not the flu vaccine though it sounds like it) and we will do chickenpox next week. She thought catching up on the Hib vaccine (he had the first 2 doses)is the first priority, then the chicken pox vaccine. For kids under 5, the Hib disease could cause bacterial meningitis, pneumonia, infections, death. So, she saw this vaccine as the number one priority for him, and chicken pox as next. Then, I am faced with a list of other vaccines that he is behind on: dtap, IPV, HepB, Prevnar, MMR. I stopped following the vaccine schedule after his food allergies were diagnosed due to concerns about ill effects & horror stories of vaccines. My worry was if my child was in the minority to have such severe food allergies, perhaps we'd also have the bad luck or predisposition to be in the minority of having a bad reaction related to vaccines. BTW, he is doing just fine right now-no fever or anything [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By Sarahfran on Sat, 08-20-05, 01:08

Funny this came up--I was just scrapbooking pictures of my DS with the chicken pox. He got the vaccine when he was 18 months old, as recommended, and three weeks later he came down with a mild case of the chicken pox as a result of the vaccine. At that time we didn't know he had a rare immune system disorder and that giving him this vaccine could be very, very dangerous (he's one of the ones meant when you hear that an otherwise mild virus can be dangerous to someone with a compromised immune system). In any event, it could have been dangerous for him and it wasn't--he got a mild version of chicken pox and had a dozen or so spots on him with no other symptoms, so I figure if someone with no immune system to speak of can deal with it, than a child who is normally healthy should be fine.

At the same time, I really, really hope and pray that the children around my DS have had all of their vaccines--because of his immune system problem, he can't develop immunity to diseases, which means that even though he had this vaccine and even had the disease, he can get it again in it's full blown form from someone else with the disease (this is true of any virus for him). The only thing keeping him safe is regular infusions of gammaglobulin and other people's desire to do their part towards public health by getting their own children vaccinated.

So rest easy--not only will your son undoubtedly be fine, but he's keeping other people healthy as well.

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By krasota on Sat, 08-20-05, 03:29

Is there any proof that the childhood chicken pox vaccination confers immunity *through* adulthood? Will boosters be required? That's one problem with some vaccinations--immunity can wear off by adulthood, leaving one more susceptible at a time when the disease can be rather vicious.

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