New PB Oreos - Campaign to keep Reg. Oreos safe Page 1

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By Heather2 on Mon, 04-08-02, 21:17

I hope it's not made on the same line as the chocolate ones and the double stuff ones.

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By Corvallis Mom on Mon, 04-08-02, 22:47

Joanne, that is very interesting- here is what I got (which I will regard as being the "same story" as Colleen's mom and a few others... basically they decide arbitrarily what is "clean enough" and label nothing as "may contain")

"While we have some products which run on dedicated lines, most of our lines
are designed to be convertIble to other products with the appropriate
sanitation procedures to ensure a safe changeover

We take special precautions to thoroughly clean and sanitize all our
production lines between product changeovers

We build these cleaning procedures into our safety systems to make sure
there is no carryover from allergenic proteins, for example: when switching
from nut-containing products to one without nuts

We are confident in the sanitation procedures we have in place

Please add our site to your bookmarks, and visit us again soon!"

*They* may be confident in their sanitation procedures... not so sure that I am. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

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By on Tue, 04-09-02, 05:20

Well, from the Nabisco responses so far, I'd have to say this was certainly a good company to TAKE ACTION with! Mind boggling! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img]
I'm still waiting for my responses from both Nabisco U.S. and in Canada.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By vic on Tue, 04-09-02, 20:06

E-mailed them today.

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Peanut/Nut-free wishes,
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By erik on Tue, 04-09-02, 21:58

I think Nabisco Canada (Christie) has a concrete barrier between the nut and non-nut sections of their Lakeshore Road factory in Toronto.

However, I emailed Nabisco USA to find out if they have dedicated lines due to the concern about the new peanut butter OREOS. The reply was they do not have dedicated lines. Therefore, even if they do not make peanut butter OREOS, other peanut products could contiminate regular OREOS? I guess we need to know what "every reasonable precaution" actually means. Do they have the same definition of reasinable as we have. I think I will stick to the "made in Canada" cookies as they sound more safe.

Here is their reply to me:

"Thanks for visiting our web site. We appreciate your interest in our
Nabisco products.

Nabisco products are not routinely produced on dedicated lines, and our
production schedules are subject to change. If a product is produced on
shared equipment, every reasonable precaution is taken to avoid contact with
the eight major allergens recognized by the FDA--wheat, soy, peanuts, tree
nuts, milk, eggs, fish, and shellfish.

Should cross contact with a food allergen in our production environment be
unavoidable, appropriate labeling of the food allergen is implemented. When
appropriate, allergen labeling is used in addition to, and not in place of
good manufacturing practices.

Please add our site, [url="http://www.Nabiscoworld.com/,"]http://www.Nabiscoworld.com/,[/url] to your bookmarks and
visit us again soon!Sent: Friday,"

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By B's Mom on Tue, 04-09-02, 23:13

Just sent my email. I took the $$$ approach with them.

I understand that Nabisco plans on producing a peanut butter filled Oreo.
Please, please do not manufacture peanut butter Oreos in the same plant as the original Oreos. If you do, you will potentially eliminate the sale of your product to millions of peanut allergic children who's parents, such as myself, will no longer purchase your product. The loss of sales will occur, no matter how well you 'sanitize' your lines in between batches. Because most parents of peanut allergic children will only purchase products produced in a 'peanut free' facility.
I know all decision in corporate America are usually based on the 'bottom line', please consider this issue before you make your final decision as to where this product will be manufactured.
Note: For the moment, Oreos are the only 'safe' prepackaged cookie that parents of peanut allergic can purchase.

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By Triciasmom on Wed, 04-10-02, 00:22

I can't bear the thought of once again having to tell Patricia that she can't have a food she has been eating before because it is no longer safe. Poor kid. She is going to grow up hating corporate America and restaurants and bakeries, all because people in this country are so d*** obsessed with their stupid rights to eat peanuts in mass quantities.

Geez...if a food company suddenly decided to produce fertilizer or DDT or Cyanide on a line next to their regular food products, everyone would see that as a problem. Why is it not a concern when the food could be contaminated by peanuts or nuts that is known to kill small children and adults alike? Makes me sooooo angry! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img]

Amy

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By Jenna on Wed, 04-10-02, 04:31

I spoke with a Nabisco rep today. I had previously emailed and got the canned letter they sent out so I decided to call too. The rep started reading the script they are given and I asked if I could please interupt her. I said that it sounded like she was just reading something to me and would she please just skip that and answer some of my questions. I asked if there were going to be dedicated lines and she said Nabisco routinely does not use dedicated lines. She stated that there would be a warning label on anything that could be a problem. I asked in what way they determined if a label would be put on and would it be labeled for cross contamination. She said that she did not know how they determined if a label would be put on and there was no one there who did. It was a very lengthy conversation and I basically do not know any more than I did when I called. She did say, though, that they had a special meeting about the PB Oreo situation this morning. So---apparently the emails and phone calls are being noticed. I would encourage everyone to keep calling and keep emailing and have everyone you know call and email! We are getting their attention if they are having special meetings about this.

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By Suz-a-loo on Wed, 04-10-02, 05:49

Just sent my email. This is what I sent:

"I understand that your company will be making a peanut butter Oreo cookie. As a mother of a deathly peanut allergic child, I am pleading with you to run this new type of cookie on dedicated lines. The regular Oreo cookie is the only safe cookie my child can eat and I'm sure you would not want to lose a faithful customer because the two types of cookies are not run on dedicated lines. In fact, I am quite certain that you would lose MANY customers if you don't do this as there many parents of peanut allergic children who are not comfortable with companies "cleaning" in between runs. Please let me know what your process is with respect to the PB Oreos and the regular Oreos. Thank you for your consideration of this matter."

I'll post a response if I get one.

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By Suz-a-loo on Wed, 04-10-02, 05:50

Whoops! Double post.

[This message has been edited by Suz-a-loo (edited April 10, 2002).]

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By Lam on Wed, 04-10-02, 11:53

Are regular Oreos run on their own line? I ask because everyone is calling them "the only safe cookie" - if they aren't run on a dedicated line, they aren't exactly safe either, are they? It seems from the answers given so far, that everything Nabisco makes is run on shared lines - that would include the regular Oreos, wouldn't it? (I know there is a thread around here about Oreos in particular, so I'll look for it. We don't eat Oreos much, although we have without a problem.)

We are all trying to figure out Nabisco's labeling procedure. It comes back to everyone's comfort zone with sanitizing, etc., but are we sending mixed messages about keeping the original Oreos "safe" if they're run on shared lines, and are, therefore, not really safe for some of us?

Going to find that thread,
Tammy

Edit: Found the thread. There was a great deal of confusion about the whole thing then, too. (Under Manufacturers/Food)

[This message has been edited by Lam (edited April 10, 2002).]

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By natural on Wed, 04-10-02, 13:14

Here is the response I got from Nabisco after sending an e-mail regarding keeping regular oreos "safe"

"Thanks for visiting our web site. We appreciate your interest in our
Nabisco products.

Nabisco products are not routinely produced on dedicated lines, and our
production schedules are subject to change. If a product is produced on
shared equipment, every reasonable precaution is taken to avoid contact with
the eight major allergens recognized by the FDA--wheat, soy, peanuts, tree
nuts, milk, eggs, fish, and shellfish.

Should cross contact with a food allergen in our production environment be
unavoidable, appropriate labeling of the food allergen is implemented. When
appropriate, allergen labeling is used in addition to, and not in place of
good manufacturing practices.

Please add our site, [url="http://www.Nabiscoworld.com/,"]http://www.Nabiscoworld.com/,[/url] to your bookmarks and
visit us again soon!"

Makes me think they were never and never will be safe.

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By erik on Wed, 04-10-02, 16:42

It seems that the USA Oreos are not made on dedicated nut-free lines so even if they decide not to make peanut butter Oreos, maybe they are still not safe.

I have heard that Christie in Toronto makes their Oreos and Fudgeos in a nut-free part of the Lakeshore Blvd factory - I will email them to find out for sure.

And Peak Frean cookies (made in East York I think?) should be fine also as I do not think they make any peanut cookies but I will need to email them too. Although I think they use another type of nut in the factory (not peanuts).

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By wood145 on Thu, 04-11-02, 01:05

Before this whole PB Oreo was announced I really trusted Nabisco. I always bought the Chips Ahoy (blue and the chocolate lovers brown bag). Now I'm not so sure. Dylan had a mystery reaction about 6 weeks ago, shortly after eating chips ahoy. No itchy mouth, just hives on his arms and chest. We really didn't know what it came from, figured it might not even be peanut related, now I'm not so sure. I hate to put another company on his "can't eat" list. Karen

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By on Thu, 04-11-02, 03:38

erik, I had e-mailed Mr. Christie's on Lakeshore Blvd. West as well (well, through the [url="http://www.nabisco.ca"]www.nabisco.ca[/url] website) to confirm, if, in fact, there is a concrete barrier in the plant. This is what I have always been told.

However, since you live in Toronto, which I no longer do, how about you actually go there and find out for all of us Canadian Mr. Christie cookie buyers? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] I could give you good directions as I did grow up in the area and worked right across the street from the plant (no, not in one of the seedy motels [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img])

Someone else had mentioned in a separate thread re companies with their line about cleaning properly, dis-assembling equipment, etc. that they would actually like to schedule a tour of the plant. If I was in Toronto at this point, I would be checking out Christie's. Of course, I'm not saying that you should.

Curiously enough, while others have received responses to their e-mails to both Nabisco U.S. and Nabisco Canada, I'm still waiting for mine. I suspect they've been flooded and I'm really pleased about that!

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By erik on Thu, 04-11-02, 04:08

Hi Cindy...

Yes.. I would like to tour the Christie plant in Etobicoke and the Peak Freans plant in East YOrk, as those are the two brands of cookies I usually eat.

I know where the Christie factory is [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] .. I see the Christie water tower when I am along the QEW by the Humber River. Actually, they are knocking down all those seedy motels and replacing them with luxury condomiums in that area so it looks quiet different these days.

I'll keep you updated .. ttyl [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By katiee on Thu, 04-11-02, 13:42

Sent my e-mail off today. Remember Nestle Canada(thanks to all our American friends who contacted them) no one thought we had a chance of reversing their decision!

Strength in numbers, if we keep this up they will have to take notice! Anyone have any media contacts over there? Nestle started to listen when the media got involved here in Canada and portrayed them in a not so nice way.

Keep it up!

Regards,

Katiee (Wade's mom)

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By smack on Thu, 04-11-02, 14:02

Cindy and erik,

In Cayley's thread "New PB Oreo's campaign to keep reg.oreo's safe", I wrote that I sent Nabisco an e-mail requesting a tour because I have a group interested in their sanitization procedures. I still haven't received a response from them regarding that or the cookies.

Since Erik lives right there this would be great for him to go on a tour (spy camera glasses)wired up to take recordings...he could be our James Bond [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

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By Suz-a-loo on Thu, 04-11-02, 22:40

Well, I heard back from Nabisco. I received the exact same response that "Natural" received. Looks like they are sending out form responses that aren't very specific. Anyways, I felt compelled to respond and let them know they have lost a customer. Here is my response I sent:

"Thank you for your reply. Although you didn't specifically state it, it sounds like you just clean in between runs. Unfortunately, we cannot take that kind of a risk. There is always a possibility that the lines were not cleaned properly. It only takes an incredibly tiny amount of the peanut allergen to be there and my child could have a fatal reaction. I'm sorry to say that we can no longer buy any of your products until we are assured that your products are run on dedicated lines."

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By Triciasmom on Fri, 04-12-02, 00:53

I guess my big concern about the whole pb oreos thing is that if they are running oreos, chances are that they are doing all flavors in the same plant at the same time. I already know that they do not have dedicated lines and they do make an effort to label anytime they cannot assure a "safe" product. I take that minute risk every time I give Patricia an oreo. After all, Nabisco does do nutter butters and pb sandwich ritz. (We don't do mini oreos anymore because of the mini pb ritz thing.) I just feel that if they start doing pb oreos, the risk will go way up.

My comfort zone is a lot looser than it used to be. I'm just as careful, just less anal about it. I think that when we speak to Nabisco about the pb oreos thing, we need to be clear about why we are so freaked out -- that we feel that it increases the risk of cross-contamination.

We would all like the American love affair with peanut butter to go sour. We would all also like companies to be completely open and honest. But let's at least set a standard that we are going to push for. What are we going to set it at? Totally dedicated lines? No pb oreos? Honest labeling? Honest info about what is run on particular lines? I think we will be most efficient if we are all pushing for a specific standard.

Just my $.02.

Amy

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By Lam on Fri, 04-12-02, 11:43

Here is my e-mail:

Hello. I have just learned that all Nabisco products are made on shared lines. This concerns me because I am the parent of a peanut/tree nut allergic child.

My request is that Nabisco begin to label such information clearly on all products. Perhaps: "This product is made on shared lines with products that contain peanuts/tree nuts." (Of course, ANY of the top 8 allergens should be listed in such a fashion.)

I understand that when the machines are "cleaned thoroughly" between products, NABISCO feels it is not necessary to label the possibility of cross-contamination. As the parent of a severely food allergic child, I can tell you that it is absolutely necessary for me to know that bit of information! If the label clearly states the real risk involved, I can better choose whether or not I can safely take that risk for MY child and buy that product.

With Nabisco's current labeling procedure, I feel that the COMPANY is choosing whether or not the product is safe for my child (and hundreds of thousands of others). THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE.

PLEASE, seriously consider improving Nabisco's labeling procedure - for the safety of your valued customers.

Thank you.
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I'll post whatever reply I get.

Take care,
Tammy

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By Corvallis Mom on Fri, 04-12-02, 20:53

Thanks Tammy, for stating our feelings so eloquently!!

This has been EXACTLY what has me so enraged in the past month- the reponses I have been getting are just utterly unrelated to what I have been asking... the companies are taking the power to make well-considered decisions about this out of my control.

Maybe FAAN likes this "we use GMP, no cross-contamination here" business- but I don't.

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By Going Nuts on Fri, 04-12-02, 20:57

I have written to Susan Dominus, who wrote the Food Allergy Prison article for the New York Times Magazine last August. Having the Times do a follow up to this is really a long shot, but I figured, what the heck.

Wouldn't a little exploration into Nabisco by the NYT be sweet? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]

Amy

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By Thomas Upmeier on Sun, 04-14-02, 12:46

i yust wright to Nabisco lets hope it helps good luck Thomas and Marina

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By on Wed, 04-17-02, 17:21

Here is the response I received from Kraft Kitchens Canada to my e-mail (posted above).
I am really ticked off because they didn't address my particular concerns or even answer my question about the supposed concrete barrier in the Mr. Christie's plant. I now have to pull off my e-mail from here and e-mail it to them again. A generic e-mail, I hate it! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By Fran on Wed, 04-17-02, 19:16

Sent my e-mail today.

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Stay Safe,
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By dalesmom on Wed, 04-17-02, 23:03

Sent my email. Has anyone heard a final verdict?

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By Cayley's Mom on Thu, 04-18-02, 00:46

Well, this is the response I *finally *got today:

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Thank you for your e-mail Carolyn.

The product that you are inquiring about is an American Christie Product and it
is not available in Canada at this time.

As per our allergen policy, we will continue to label our products accordingly.
If you have any concerns about peanut/ nut cross contamination, please verify
that these items are not on the ingredient list when purchasing the product.

Thank you for sharing your questions and concerns.

Please bookmark our site and visit often!

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Like, helloooooo... I did specify in my e-mail (see page 1 of this thread) that I *knew* this was an American issue. Sheesh. Thanks for nothing.

Carolyn

To dalesmom - there is no final verdict yet. I want to contact Chris again to see if he's talked to a Nabisco rep. I'll keep everyone posted.

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By JoannaG on Thu, 04-18-02, 01:51

I received the same underwhelming response as Carolyn.

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By smack on Thu, 04-18-02, 13:19

I received the same message as Carolyn and JoannaG on April 16, didn't post it. It seems there missing our message and point.

[This message has been edited by smack (edited April 18, 2002).]

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By Lam on Thu, 04-18-02, 16:04

Same canned response here:

Thanks for visiting our web site. We appreciate your interest in our
Nabisco products.

Nabisco products are not routinely produced on dedicated lines, and our
production schedules are subject to change. If a product is produced on
shared equipment, every reasonable precaution is taken to avoid contact with
the eight major allergens recognized by the FDA--wheat, soy, peanuts, tree
nuts, milk, eggs, fish, and shellfish.

Should cross contact with a food allergen in our production environment be
unavoidable, appropriate labeling of the food allergen is implemented. When
appropriate, allergen labeling is used in addition to, and not in place of
good manufacturing practices.

Please add our site, [url="http://www.Nabiscoworld.com/,"]http://www.Nabiscoworld.com/,[/url] to your bookmarks and
visit us again soon!
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Disappointing, isn't it?

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By on Thu, 04-18-02, 18:38

Now that this is a three pager, I got to read some of the posts previous to my last one on the second page. First of all, my apologies for not having copied my response from Kraft Kitchens into my last post. It was the same one Cayley's Mom received. I am ticked off.
I have e-mailed them again and told them that there response was unacceptable.

erik, it would be wonderful if you could check out the Mr. Christie's plant! I thought I had heard about the re-development of that part of the Lakeshore area. There's some pretty good, lakefront land there, and let's face it, no tourists would be using those motels! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img] If you do get there, please let us know! And at least you don't need directions!

I'm still waiting for my response from Nabisco U.S. who I e-mailed prior to Nabisco Canada. Still hoping that they're really overwhelmed.

Katiee, you're absolutely correct. Strength in numbers!

Oh, did every other Canadian's e-mail from Nabisco Canada say that there were no plans for pb Oreos "at this time"? Mine did. Not really an answer to my question. I guess they'll wait and see how the bloody things take off in the U.S. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By California Mom on Thu, 04-18-02, 21:14

I've only just now become aware of this issue because we were traveling and then moved to a new house, so my computer hasn't gotten any attention from me lately! I am truly devastated to hear about this new oreo product. I did send off an e-mail, and I am so thankful to Cayley's Mom for bringing this to our attention. I hope and pray that we are getting to them early enough to make a difference. I wish they would pull this darn product altogether, but that seems hopeless. Thank goodness for this web-site. Miriam

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By smack on Thu, 04-18-02, 22:23

Thank you for your e-mail Sylvia.

The product that you are inquiring about is an American Christie Product and it is not available in Canada at this time.

As per our allergan policy, we will continue to label our products accordingly. If you have any concerns about peanut/nut cross contamination, please verify that these items are not on the ingredient list when purchasing the product.

Thank you for sharing your questions and concerns.

Please bookmark our site and visit often!

Service Request Number: 1-2741574

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By Renee111064 on Fri, 04-19-02, 03:27

this is the letter that I e-mailed them with.

Dear Sirs,

My six year old has a "life threatening peanut allergy" and only eats Oreo's and Chips Ahoys.

If your company starts making "Oreo PB cookies on lines shared with regular oreo cookies, then my son and all of the "peanut allergic children and adults could never eat another Oreo cookie ever again and feel safe.

I beg of you to keep your regular Oreo cookies on "dedicated lines". MY child started kindergarten this past fall and takes oreo cookies for snack every single day.

I have a family member who works for Nabisco for many years. I have always supported Nabisco and Kraft products, but If Nabisco will not keep their regular Oreo cookies on dedicated lines then I will rethink my ways and boycott all Nabisco/Kraft products.

Thank you for taking time to read my letter.

Here is the response that I received from the Kraft Online team:

Thank you for contacting our web-site!

While we have some products which run on dedicated lines, most of our lines are designed to be convertible to other products with the appropiate sanitation procedures to ensure a safe changeover.

We take special precaution to thoroughly clean and sanitize all our production lines between product changeovers.

We build these cleaning procedures into our safety systems to make sure there is no carry over from allergenic proteins, for example when switching from nut-containing products to one without nuts.

We are confident in the sanitation procedures we have in place.

Well that is the response that I received. They may feel comfortable in regards to their procedures but I certainly do not.

Renee

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By smack on Fri, 04-19-02, 18:28

This came today in response to my question if we can bring a tour in to observe their sanitization process they use for cleaning their machines.

Thank you for your e-mail.

Unfortunately we do not offer tours to the public at this time. I will forward your suggestion in having tours of our facilities to the appropriate department.

Thank you for your interest in our company.

Ilona
Kraft Kitchens

Service Request Number: 1-2859879

P.S..I thought every factory offered tours?

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By Kami's Mom on Fri, 04-19-02, 20:18

Just sent my two cents' worth.

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By Fran on Fri, 04-19-02, 21:51

Just received the same canned response as Lam! Sent them another message telling them that this is totally unacceptable.

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By on Fri, 04-19-02, 23:23

Here is the reply I received from Kraft Kitchens re whether they plan to produce pb Oreo cookies in Canada (still not a clear answer). At the top of this, you will find the e-mail that I have just sent asking them to please answer the specific questions I have asked them. So, you're actually reading things a** backwards, pardon me.

Thank-you for your reply. However, you have still not answered my question about whether or not there is a concrete barrier separating the part of your facility on Lakeshore Blvd. West between the peanut products producing part of the plant and the part that is "peanut free". I have been told this on numerous occasions, but since I am not in Toronto, I am not able to physically check to see if this is correct. It is the Mr. Christie's Plant on Lakeshore Blvd. West.

I would appreciate an answer to this question.

Also, did you pass my comments re the labeling of Peanut Butter Chips Ahoy onto anyone in Marketing or Labeling?

Many thanks and best wishes,
Cindy Spowart Cook

>From: [email]canada.kitchens@kraft.com[/email]
>Reply-To: [email]canada.kitchens@kraft.com[/email]
>To: [email]cin42ca@hotmail.com[/email]
>Subject:
>Date: 19 Apr 2002 15:23:45 -0400
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>Thank you for your e-mail Cindy.
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>As far as the american products go, we dont have any plans right now to make the Peanut Butter Oreo for Canada.
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>All of our products that contains peanuts are made in a seperate part of our plants.
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>They are never in contact or, even close to being in contact with traces of peanuts.
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>If they are possibilities of being contaminated, there will be a very visible disclaimer on our packages.
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>We thank you and hope that this information is helpful.
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>Service Request Number: 1-2873106
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>
>Stephane
>Kraft Kitchens

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By DJerry'sMom on Mon, 04-22-02, 13:35

I saw the new PB Oreos on the shelf at Kroger for the first time Saturday. I had also written to Nabisco and received the same "sanitation procedures" response that many of you received. Anyway, they were right next to traditional Oreos on the shelf, so that alone was reason for me to not buy the regular ones. The regular Oreos did not have a "may contain" lable. I had to explain to my 3-year-old pa son about why we couldn't buy them. His questions tore my heart out.."Do our Oreos at home have pb on them? Why is there pb on those Oreos? Why don't the people take the pb off those Oreos? I guess we'll have to wait for Oreos that don't have pb. Oh, Mommy, I'm so worried about the pb on those Oreos..."

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By michelle on Mon, 04-22-02, 15:23

Hi! I haven't posted in a while! We saw the Oreos this weekend at Walmart My family is in shock no more Oreo's!! I e-mailed them this morning. I hope we can convince them to do the right thing. After reading the posts I now wonder if they were ever safe. This really worries me!
Thanks let me know what all I can do to help!
Michelle

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By wood145 on Mon, 04-22-02, 18:09

Hi,
I just saw the PB Oreos in our local Foodtown. I had all 3 kids with me today and had to explain to them why we couldn't buy ANY Nabisco products. I know I'm probably going overboard but you know what, I don't trust them anymore. My 5 yo PA son understood, my 9yo non-PA son was devistated. Why do I feel so guilty? I know I shouldn't but I do.

Karen

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By Lisa V on Tue, 04-23-02, 01:29

I've sent my request. Hope they listen.

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By supermom1023 on Thu, 04-25-02, 06:04

Found it! Please note the "every reasonable precaution" statement. What do the call "reasonable"?

Thanks for visiting our web site. We appreciate your interest in our
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Nabisco products are not routinely produced on dedicated lines, and our
production schedules are subject to change. If a product is produced on
shared equipment, every reasonable precaution is taken to avoid contact with
the eight major allergens recognized by the FDA--wheat, soy, peanuts, tree
nuts, milk, eggs, fish, and shellfish.

Should cross contact with a food allergen in our production environment be
unavoidable, appropriate labeling of the food allergen is implemented. When
appropriate, allergen labeling is used in addition to, and not in place of
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By Dawn on Thu, 04-25-02, 13:25

Here's mine. I'll post any reply I get.

Dear Nabisco,
I have read many posts and replies concerning your introduction of peanut butter Oreos on the PeanutAllergy.com website. My son has a life threatening allergy to peanuts and Oreos is the one and only cookie we bought. We will no longer be buying this product (and therefore, no other Nabisco cookie). While I had previously thought that Oreos were "safe" for those with a peanut allergy, I have learned that perhaps this is not the case. Is it true that most of your manufacturing lines are designed to accomodate many different products, thus running nut-containing products on the same lines as no nut-containing products at any given time? I am aware of your "cleaning" practices, but if any of you have children, perhaps you understand my reticence at trusting something like this with my child's LIFE. It strikes me as odd that such a (formerly) beloved and trusted company is so allergy-UNaware. With such a huge variety of products, how is it possible that there cannot be dedicated lines for non-nut products? Surely all of your Oreo products alone bring in millions of dollars. Your company is losing a lot of customers with the introduction of your peanut butter Oreo. Sure, the peanut allergy population is relatively small, but our voices are BIG and are heard by our many family members, friends, and anyone willing to take up a cause.
Good-bye, Nabisco!
Sincerely,
Dawn

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Be peanut free et sans souci ~Dawn~
Mom to dd, my 8 yr old cyborg child blessed with an incredibly strong immune system, ds, my 6 yr old with soul-boring eyes, asthma and excema, ds, my 5 yr old pa, ea, cat, horse & wool allergic social butterfly, and dd

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By Heather2 on Thu, 04-25-02, 14:17

I just called Nabisco and was told that the pb oreos are not presently run on the same line as any of the other Oreo products. Will some of you other guys call to see if they give you the same answer? The lady I spoke to was very nice and answered my question directly - yes she read me the cookie cutter answer of every reasonable precaution is taken...yadda, yadda, yadda but then she looked up the answer to my question. Which is good because I wasn't going to let her off the hook with just that cookie cutter, read the label, answer.

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By Going Nuts on Thu, 04-25-02, 16:12

I saw the new Oreos in the supermarket today. I guess I had some small form of denial working until I saw them with my own eyes, because when I looked at that package today I almost cried. I broke the news to Kevin a few days ago; he really howled. I feel like contacting a Nabisco grand poobah, and asking them to come to my house and explain this to my son.

Amy

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By on Fri, 04-26-02, 12:57

Here is the response I received from Kraft Kitchens on behalf of Nabisco Canada. They still didn't answer me directly about whether there is a concrete barrier in the plant on Lakeshore Blvd. West, as I have asked (so erik [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] will have to make a trip there for sure [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] ) but I guess this is as far as I'm going to get with them. Also, has anyone else not had an answer from Nabisco U.S.? I haven't.

Here's the Canadian answer:-

Thank you for your e-mail Cindy.

Further to my initial e-mail to you:

The product you are inquiring about, "Oreo Double Delights" - a peanut butter
Oreo product, is made by a U.S. copacker for the US market.

At the bakery where Peanut Butter Chips Ahoy are made, products made for the
Canadian market that do not contain peanuts as a component in the ingredient
line, continue to have a peanut warning. - " May contain trace amounts of
peanut/nut residues".

I hope this information is helpful.

Christina
KRAFT Kitchens

Service Request Number: 1-2724693

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By Going Nuts on Fri, 04-26-02, 14:46

I'm semi-stuck in the house for a few days, and have had plenty of time to dwell on this Nabisco situation. So I decided to write a letter directly to Nabisco's CEO. When I called Nabisco for the name and address, they balked over giving it to me. However, I eventually got it. Here it is -

Betsy Holden, CEO
Kraft Foods
1 Kraft Court
Glenview, IL 60025

The customer rep asked if she could help, and I told her quite frankly probably not. I told her of our experiences getting conflicting information, and she told me that their latest information is that the peanut Oreos will be made in a separate facility, and that if they have to alter a run the packaging will reflect that.

Think I'll get a response?

Amy

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By DJerry'sMom on Fri, 04-26-02, 17:31

Why do they keep talking about where those Oreos are "going to be made"? They're making them now!

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