Learning about test scores DAS,VMI,WIAT-II,WJ-II COG

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By synthia on Wed, 12-07-05, 01:43

I thought this should have a thread of its own.

MommaBear over here.

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By pgrubbs on Wed, 12-07-05, 03:38

What do you need to know? I teach some of these.

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By mistey on Wed, 12-07-05, 17:56

I know a little myself. What would you like to know?

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By synthia on Thu, 12-08-05, 02:33

pgrubbs,mistey Thank you for your replys

I don't really have a ?
What I am reading on these test(may of 05) is
Aptitude
DAS High average range of intellectual GCA=114
Verbal cluster score 116
and a nonverbal cluster score of 116

Academic Achievement
word reading subtest High average range (ss=119)above her current grade placement (GE=1.3)(this test was in k at the end of the school year)

mathematics
high average range (SS=118)above her current grade placement (GE=1.20)

spelling subtest
Superior range (SS=122) above her current grade grade placement(GE=1.6)

Information Processing
Phonemic Awareness skills fall in the Superior range
Shoty term memory,average range

Conceptual ability above 82% of her peers( in k)
I guess I still am trying to figure out HOW
to help her.
She has not been able to write,and gets in trouble for not being able to do the writing
sent to the office ,timeout chair,lost recess time,play money she earned for the class store was taken away.

I see she does have a problem with writing I saw this last year and tried to tell people and had no luck.

I feel I am still missing somthing I just don't know how to help her and how to get thru to the school that she is trying her best,and hardest to do the work!

She is so upset over what is happening,and I just don't know HOW to help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for letting me vent

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By imgm on Thu, 12-08-05, 05:18

Quote:Originally posted by synthia:
[b]I thought this should have a thread of its own.

MommaBear over here.

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By imgm on Thu, 12-08-05, 05:20

I am a child psychologist, so I can offer some general comments. What is the VMI score?

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By synthia on Thu, 12-08-05, 11:36

imgm,thank you
age equivalent 6y7m (she had just turned 6 at the time of these tests)
percentile rank: 70
standard score: 108
Average range

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By Lam on Thu, 12-08-05, 19:53

synthia,

Just popping in to say that if the verbal and performance (non-verbal) scores are close, or the same as yours are, then NVLD is not a possibility. One thing ruled out, anyway!
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By mistey on Thu, 12-08-05, 21:04

I wish I could give more info, but I would need more info in order to do so. You may have more of your story in the schools section, which I do not go to because my ds isn't in school yet.

What was your dd evaluated for? Was it because she could not write letters or because the handwriting was messy? Did they give a WH II or a WJ III? One the IEP part one you should have all of the cluster scores. What were they?

What did the team decide? Do they think it is a behavioral/emotional issue since they are removing privledges for not writing?

One thing I can say for certain- she has very nice scores! She is definately a bright little girl!

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By Momcat on Thu, 12-08-05, 21:16

Here are some suggestions I found online:

[url="http://www.ncld.org/LDInfoZone/InfoZone_FactSheet_Dysgraphia.cfm"]http://www.ncld.org/LDInfoZone/InfoZone_FactSheet_Dysgraphia.cfm[/url]

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By notnutty on Thu, 12-08-05, 22:08

My non PA son has a severe learning disability. The greatest on-line resource in the world is [url="http://www.schwablearning.org."]www.schwablearning.org.[/url] The people there are most helpful and many have been reviewing these test scores for years. Check it out and good luck to you.

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By synthia on Fri, 12-09-05, 00:51

Quote:Originally posted by Lam:
synthia,

Just popping in to say that if the verbal and performance (non-verbal) scores are close, or the same as yours are, then NVLD is not a possibility. One thing ruled out, anyway! [b] May be two? Process of elimination Thank you She keeps me going[/b]
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Quote:Originally posted by mistey:
I wish I could give more info, but I would need more info in order to do so.[b] I understand[/b] You may have more of your story in the schools section,[b]probably [/b]which I do not go to because my ds isn't in school yet.[b] not a problem![/b]

What was your dd evaluated for?[b]Just satarted to explore this.[/b] Was it because she could not write letters or because the handwriting was messy?[b] I don't recall either[/b] Did they give a WH II or a WJ III?[b]Test? I see the score you are referring to.[/b] One the IEP part one you should have all of the cluster scores. What were they? [b]There is no IEP for writing,or IEP[/b]

What did the team decide?[b] A meeting soon.[/b] Do they think it is a behavioral/emotional issue since they are removing privledges for not writing?[b]Will know soon what [i]they think.[/i][/b]

One thing I can say for certain- she has very nice scores![b] I think that comes from DH's side. lol[/b] She is definately a bright little girl![b] I have had many person say this,Thank you! Dh and myself understand the child lol [/b]

And thank you again!
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Momcat,notnutty,Thank you for those links!!

Thank you everyone!
Learning Mom!

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By imgm on Sun, 12-11-05, 19:24

Quote:Originally posted by synthia:
[b] And thank you again![/b]

Her VMI score is a notch lower than the others--in the average range, contrasted to high average. You indicated short term memory is also average but did not give a score for this. These scores indicate relative weaknesses.

I suggest 2 follow-ups--

1. What about her fine motor skills other than writing? Tieing shoes, fastening buttons, using scissors, etc., and general coordination? The occupational therapist at her school could do a screening, or full eval. if needed.

With a disorder of written expression, a type of learning disability, there is a processing difficulty affecting the ability to get thoughts onto paper. This becomes more apparent in 3rd-4th grade and beyond, as kids are required to write more. This processing difficulty can be distinguished from a fine motor problem. However, some students have both problems.

2. A behavior checklist, such as the CBC or BASC, filled out by parents and teacher, could help identify any attentional difficulties.

Once the problem(s) is identified, you can request an accommodation plan based on Section 504 of the Rehab. Act or there may be eligibility for assistance through a special ed program.

Hope this is helpful. Good Luck!

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By synthia on Sun, 12-11-05, 20:09

Thank you for your thoughts. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

[b]With a disorder of written expression, a type of learning disability, there is a processing difficulty affecting the ability to get thoughts onto paper.[/b]

I ask her the other day "Give me a reason why you cannot write".(She is always asking me to give her a reason why I said something) lol
She stated that "she is trying to deside what word comes next to put down on her paper."

I would like to hold off on answering a few of your ?'s if you don't mind.(give me till next week)I'll be able to answer better by then.

[b]CBC or BASC ?[/b]
Can you tell me what theses stand for?
Thank you!

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Speech and Launguage Eval
Language
Language Fundomentals
Pragmatics profile = 163 average 121

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By Lam on Mon, 12-12-05, 23:10

synthia,
Thought of you the other day when I visited the following site (researching for my DS):

[url="http://www.dyspraxiafoundation.org.uk/index/php"]www.dyspraxiafoundation.org.uk/index/php[/url]

Maybe you could get some answers there.
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P.S. If the address didn't come up as a link, it's because I've forgotten how to do that! Sorry.

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By synthia on Wed, 12-14-05, 14:42

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By synthia on Thu, 12-22-05, 14:21

Raising for Gail
Resent test scores
Achievement Test
CAT/5:Level 11 (1.6-2.2)
Vocabulary G.E. 1.9

Comprehension G.E. 2.2

Total G.E. 2.1

[i]She is a visual learner,and a leterial (sp?) thinker.
For example
She argued with me on her homework.
She said that the teacher said to do the homework at night,well the sun was NOT down and we started to do homework and she said I cannot do it until night time thats what MS ### said. I explain to her that the teacher means for it to be done after school,but not so much at night. She keeps me going,I'll tell ya.
Thanks everyone for ALL your help
She is a very GOOD child and bright.[/i]

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By Naer74 on Thu, 12-22-05, 14:33

Notnutty,
My son also has a severe learning disorder. I attempted to check out the site you linked but it didn't work for me. Can you check the spelling? Thanks!

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By Gail W on Thu, 12-22-05, 16:43

Hi Synthia,

I don't know a thing about test scores. Nothing. You've sure received a lot of good information here.

I wanted to share a little about my experience with Mariah when she was evaluated and found to have a LD in the area of basic reading.

1. She didn't hit the school's radar because she was performing at the average or above average level, and because she is very compliant.
2. Mariah experienced immense frustration when writing. But she mostly internalized this, did not express it at school, and decompressed at home by crying a lot. The school never saw her frustration. There is a part of me that thinks it's positive that your DD expresses her feelings at school. It's good for her to express them (as opposed to her feelings bottling up inside) and her behavior can be observed and documented at school. . . and therefore obtain some help in how to deal with it.
3. The school stated to me that they wanted to wait until Mariah was in third grade to evaluate her because (something to the effect that) many of these issues sort themselves out by then. This is consistent with what imgm posted.

Quote:Originally posted by synthia:
She is a very GOOD child and bright.

4. Mariah is very good and bright. She also has a learning disability. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Tons of bright kids have LDs. And personally, I think all kids are basically 'good'.

synthia, a few questions~
1. Did the school explain the test results to you?
2. Did a written report accompany the test results?
3. What do [i]you [/i]think is happening?

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By synthia on Fri, 12-23-05, 02:36

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She is a very GOOD child and bright.[b]Gail I ?ed *why* I typed that.On 2 of dd's reports(she wrote) she had ended the report's with "I am a nice girl"???????????? I did ask the *internial team* if they had seen this before (I showed them a writing sample that dd did at home)They didnot seem to what to see it,however they did thank me for bringing it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/confused.gif[/img]I also asked this same team if dd had ever had a writing assetment."No."[/b]
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4. Mariah is very good and bright. She also has a learning disability. Tons of bright kids have LDs. And personally, I think all kids are basically 'good'. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

synthia, a few questions~
1. Did the school explain the test results to you? [b]Yes.[/b]
2. Did a written report accompany the test results? [b]Yes.[/b]
3. What do you think is happening?[b] I really,really don't know,still collecting data. She is starting to show signs.......stress.I need to get her to beleive in her self and know when something doesn't feel right to be able to express that,be it in words (oral) or writing it down.I think this is what will help her, and *positive renforcement*. [/b]

We started our Christmas break here.
I am going to work with her

Gail,thank you very much for sharing your story.(((hugs to you and yours))) [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]Happy holidays!

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By synthia on Thu, 01-12-06, 13:51

Progress reports are in [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

dd is not meeting grade level academic standards in the following areas:
[b] Writing/Language[/b]

Using time constructively

Working independently

Completing assignments

We have a meeting date.
Wish me luck!!!!

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