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Hives and swelling of eyes

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By Tina H. on Tue, 11-21-00, 15:08

I have a couple of questions that I can't seem to find the answer to...
1. My daughter's first and only reaction was hives on the face and neck and swelling of the eyes. There were no breathing or gastro symptoms. Is this reaction considered anaphylactic?

2. Has anyone ever experienced these symptoms on a first exposure and had subsequent reactions? What were those reactions?

3. Is it at all possible to have further reactions after this type of initial reaction that do not lead to full blown anaphylaxis?

Thanks to everyone who respond.
Tina

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By Christine on Tue, 11-21-00, 15:23

Tina,
My son's first bite of peanut butter produced the same reaction. I was told that this was an anaphalaxis-type reaction though not full blown. I was also told that the first reaction is a generous warning and not to expect it to be as mild the next time, although it could be. My son has not had another exposure since so we don't really know if subsequent exposures will be worse.
Christine

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By Heather on Tue, 11-21-00, 15:23

The symptoms you describe sound like the symptoms my son had, although his face was bright red as well. I have been told by the allergist that his reaction was not anaphylactic by definition. There is a technical name for that reaction but I don't know off hand the name of it. I'll try to find it for you. That was his first and last exposure and was on March 31, 2000; he was 14 months old.

Yes it is possible that his next reaction won't be anaphylactic but it is equally possible that it will be anaphylactic; there is no way to know. I believe swelling of any kind is to be taken very seriously because of the chance that swelling could move to the throat.

Hope that info. helps you.

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By Gwen Thornberry on Tue, 11-21-00, 15:28

Hi Tina

That sounds like my first reaction at age 4/5. Mine was a contact reaction - I was out shopping with my mother around Halloween - there were lots of bins full of different types of nuts and I was playing with them. Ingestion reactions cause vomiting, facial (eyes, mouth, lips, cheeks) swelling / hives and stomach cramps. My ingestion reaction symptoms have escalated from just vomiting to all of the above, however, contact reactions for me are just localised, and I usually only end up getting a single hive (well, that's what I'd call it - it's like a patch of red skin with a very white hive in the middle).

Gwen

[This message has been edited by Gwen Thornberry (edited November 21, 2000).]

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By on Tue, 11-21-00, 15:48

TinaH., when your daughter had this reaction, did you administer Benadryl or anything at the point where her eyes were swelling and she had the hives?

The reason I'm asking is that I feel I need the answer to that before I could post my experience.

Also, because she had hives and swelling of the eyes, two things, this, I do not think is considered anaphylactic. There would have to be one more symptom in there.

However, I do know that I can respond properly (in my sense of the word), if I know if your daughter received any medication?

To me, as soon as there is swelling involved, this seems to involve something serious to me (although I swell up each time I get a mosquito bite). Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By on Tue, 11-21-00, 15:50

And, I have to tell you, that when I saw you were the thread starter and the name of the thread, my heart skipped a beat. I was afraid your daughter had had a reaction after all of these years. Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By Tina H. on Tue, 11-21-00, 16:24

Cindy,
When she had her reaction at 13 months, I called the ER to see what to give her. (It was a Sunday morning and I didn't think I could reach her doctor). Anyway, the nurse asked if she was having breathing problems, and I said no. She said, "Call 911 or bring her in immediately!" I was a little surprised, because I didn't know how dangerous it could be. So, we went to the ER and sat there in the waiting room for about an hour before anyone saw her! By the time the doctor saw her, the symptoms were practically gone. She never received any medication. He just said, "Keep her away from peanuts." I still wasn't concerned. Then, about six months later (with no epi prescribed), I was on vacation with my family and I was watching Good Morning America in my hotel room when they started talking about deadly peanut allergies. I freaked! So, when I got back home, I made her an appointment to have her tested. Sure enough, 4 plus on skin and over 100 on Cap Rast. Thank God she hasn't had a reaction since. I also have to tell you, both her allergist and her pediatrician have down played the allergy. The allergist said, "I have thousands of kids with peanut allergy. Maybe she'll grow out of it. Stop worrying, she's not going to die from it!" And, the pediatrician said, "Stop reading about it so much. Some people just like to be scared all the time." As long as I'm venting, I want to tell you, I am so angry at her doctor. When she was a baby, she had exzema sooooo bad on her butt, and the doctor never told me anything about food allergies, or to keep her away from peanuts until she was older. How was I supposed to know?

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By on Tue, 11-21-00, 17:28

TinaH., thank-you! Jesse's first reaction involved hives and the swelling of his LIPS (rather than eyes) and his lips turning blue.
Somehow, I just knew instinct-wise that something was "wrong" and my husband and I, already on the road, headed to emerg. They did take us in really quickly, but, by the time we got there the reaction had pretty well disappeared. This sounds similar to what happened with your daughter. You know, I can't remember if they even treated him with anything at the hospital. I do not think that they did. However, they did recognize, after going through what he had eaten that day, and what was new in his diet that day (the peanut), that he was probably PA. I was given a prescription for an Epi-pen right away.

Now, I know that once this happened, we never allowed Jesse to consume any more peanut products or even "may contains", but for some reason we still felt comfortable having them in our home for his father and I. When I was cleaning out a sideboard last year, I found a peanut in it and realized I had been given a bag of peanuts that we had stashed in that sideboard when Jesse was 2 years old. But, this was before his first anaphylactic reaction.

I do think that their reactions seem similar although they involved swelling of different parts of their face.

The one reason I posed the question about whether you gave your daughter any medication or not was because of Jesse's second reaction.

He had gone to the little girl's next door.
The kid was FOREVER in my house and they had asked if it was okay if Jesse went into their house for half an hour or so. So, I thought, okay, I have your kid in my house for hours on end, why not? They knew that Jesse was PA.

He came back from the little girl's house, with the little girl still of course, and he began to act very strangely. He was extremely cranky and his nose was running. I thought, okay, he's catching a cold. I thought to give him some Tylenol. But first, I quickly ran next door and asked them if Jesse had eaten anything while he was with their child. NO. (Yeah, right - you would not believe that I was told later by them! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] ) Then, within minutes, his whole face seemed transformed, his eyes were swelled shut, his lips were again swollen and turned blue in colour and his whole face was red. It was at this point that I called the doctor's office right next to my home and told them what was happening.

They told me to bring him right over where he was administered the Epi-pen and given Benadryl and a prescription for Pedi-pred.
This was an anaphylactic reaction, although not a full blown one.

If I am not mistaken, you can stop a full blown anaphylactic reaction if you are able to recognize the reaction as such and administer the Epi-pen as quickly as possible. Perhaps I should be more clear.
Jesse's last reaction (2nd anaphylactic) was full blown and I believe this was simply because we did not administer the Epi-pen as quickly as we should have. I believe, had I injected him as soon as I saw his lips swelling and turning blue, the whole range of symptoms of anaphylaxis that followed would not have.

Also, someone posted above, and I'm sure that they're speaking from their experience only, as we all are, that they have certain anaphylactic reactions, i.e., full blown occur, if peanut products are ingested. However, Jesse experienced full blown anaphylaxis WITHOUT ingesting a peanut product. He merely touched the offending pb rice krispie square to his mouth. It did not enter it. There was no bite mark on it. He merely touched it to his lips.

Now, TinaH., I'm afraid, that by you having answered my previous post so quickly and I was able to respond, in what I consider a more "proper" manner, I think I've only addressed one of your three or four questions. Please forgive me. I will go back in and re-read your original thread-starter later and see if I have anything to add.

I do know, that given Jesse's history of reactions, I think that should he have another one, it would also be anaphylactic.
This is why I have the safety measures in place both to avoid one and to deal with one.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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By Caring Mom on Wed, 11-22-00, 00:39

Jesse,

As far as Bobby's first reaction all he had were a few hives on his stomach, the second reaction was full blown(epi needed to be injected). Bobby always had eczema from when he was a baby & I was told by a dermotologist he will have allergies-not knowing it was peanuts.

Both my pediatrician & allergist said to always think that it will be deadly because, you never know with food allergies how the body will react.

I think you are better off to just assume that every exposure will be anaphylactic because, it is never known what will happen if they ingest peanuts(poison to them). I am told it could be a mild reaction or it could be a major reaction.(For my peace of mind I always assume it will be a major reaction so I am prepared for the worst).

Good Luck.

Ronna

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By Caring Mom on Wed, 11-22-00, 00:40

Jesse,

As far as Bobby's first reaction all he had were a few hives on his stomach, the second reaction was full blown(epi needed to be injected). Bobby always had eczema from when he was a baby & I was told by a dermotologist he will have allergies-not knowing it was peanuts.

Both my pediatrician & allergist said to always think that it will be deadly because, you never know with food allergies how the body will react.

I think you are better off to just assume that every exposure will be anaphylactic because, it is never known what will happen if they ingest peanuts(poison to them). I am told it could be a mild reaction or it could be a major reaction.(For my peace of mind I always assume it will be a major reaction so I am prepared for the worst, meaning having an epi ready & calling 911).

Good Luck.

Ronna

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By maryt on Wed, 11-22-00, 00:55

Tina~~My son reacts with the whites of his eyes swelling if he touches peanuts. This was our first experience then we found out six months later that it was actually a peanut allergy after three more episodes of the eyes swelling. Finally a new Pediatrician was able to recognize it as a food allergy and rast test confirmed it. He also reacts the same way to horses. We double dose him with benadryl to stop the reaction, but it takes a few days for his eye to look normal again. Almost looks like he got hit in the eye.

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