Grocery store bakery???

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By chanda4 on Sun, 01-28-07, 00:30

I was wondering, a big local chain grocer here in CO is King Soopers. I know they're parent company is Kroger, some of you may know. Okay, so my question is about their bakery items. If they are making cakes and selling them and NOT one word is mentioned on their label as *may contain* or *made in a facility*.....but were told by the bakery manager they ARE all made on at the same facility(but no nut warning on ANY label)....who can you report them too? Is there a place even? A friend of mine discovered this after she went to have them make her a cake. The Bakery manager even called the warehouse/bakery and was told by them that they're cakes are make on shared equipment(almond poppy is one of the flavors I am worried about) but there is NO mention of anything nut on their other flavors of cakes....which doesn't make sense. Isn't it against the law NOT to label them as *made in a facility..."??? This came up because we were just at a b-day party and the mom was trying, she really was, saved the label for me to read...she told me how she went to store after store until she found a nut-free label and bought the cake there. So here I am, trusting this store that their cake is safe, when I hear from another friend that it isn't! How do you get the store to change their labels, how do you get them to follow federeal laws??? What should I do next(of course NOT buy cakes from them) but who can I go to, to get this corrected???
Help, thanks!!! Chanda

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma)
Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma)
Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig)
Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 1/2(beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig, hamster & asthma)
Jake-6 1/2(peanut, all tree nuts, all seeds(sesame, sunflower, poppy, pine nut) beef, chicken, eggs, coconut, green beans/all beans, trees, grasses,

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By PAMomInPA on Sun, 01-28-07, 00:55

It was only a few weeks ago that the supermarket I do my main shopping at started labelling for may contains. I don't buy anything from the bakery of course but you have to walk through that area to get to the produce and the stickers are very obvious but they don't actually say 'peanuts', just 'nuts' (along with the other major allergens). The sticker is on EVERYTHING in the bakery.

So I wouldn't be surprised if all supermarket bakeries start doing this soon. I don't know why it took them so long.

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By VariegatedRB on Sun, 01-28-07, 00:57

Unfortunately, no, they are NOT required to list for cross contamination on ANY food items regardless of where they are manufactured. The new law ONLY requires that allergens in a food, including "flavors", "spices", etc. be listed clearly and in plain language. Some manufacturers choose to list for cross contamination, but they don't HAVE to.

AND, if this is an in-store grocery bakery, I *thnik* they would have even less regulation- like bakeries, restaurants, etc.

I would suggest going to the bakery manager, and if he/she isn't helpful, the store manager, and then up to the regional manager/CEO, etc if you have to. I bet if you give them information and request that they label their foods for cross contamination risk (or if it is in store, maybe at least put a sign up, they would be willing to consider it.

Tara P

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By starlight on Sun, 01-28-07, 00:59

It is NOT the law that they have to label for "may contain". The law ONLY states that the top 8 must be labelled in plain english (milk rather than whey) if it is an INTENTIONAL ingredient. Cross contamination is not covered by the law. Neither are highly refined oils, so your stuff could still have peanut oil in it without having to be labelled (but this is very rare).

There's a link floating around the board that has the law written out for you to see. Someone can probably post it for you here. But no, your store is not violating the law.

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By chanda4 on Sun, 01-28-07, 01:22

UGH...that sucks! I will let my friend know that it isn't the law then, we thought it was. She did tell the bakery manager, "you'd better get something on your label because if my son eats this and has a reaction, I'm suing you(edited)".

See, I learn something new everyday here....I had no idea! I thought if I read a label and nothign was mentioned, it was safe...but that's sooooo NOT the story! Thanks!

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma)
Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma)
Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig)
Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

[This message has been edited by Chris (edited January 28, 2007).]

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 1/2(beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig, hamster & asthma)
Jake-6 1/2(peanut, all tree nuts, all seeds(sesame, sunflower, poppy, pine nut) beef, chicken, eggs, coconut, green beans/all beans, trees, grasses,

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By Sarahb on Sun, 01-28-07, 03:42

Chanda....my friend told me that if you see nothing on a label assume that it is contaminated. I just got back from Trader Joe's and QFC (Kroger) and sometimes I felt like crying but most of the time I was so thankful that there are products with good labeling. I can't imagine how hard this must have been years ago!

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By mcmom on Sun, 01-28-07, 07:42

Quote:Originally posted by chanda4:
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See, I learn something new everyday here....I had no idea! I thought if I read a label and nothign was mentioned, it was safe...but that's sooooo NOT the story! Thanks!

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I used to just trust what labels said too, until I found this site! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

You *can* trust *some* labels - major brands like GM, for example. I never trust a label from a small manufacturer, and I don't trust/use store brands.

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By momll70 on Sun, 01-28-07, 15:37

Some bakeries label and some don't. In one supermarket I found some packaged plastic containers with allergy stmts and some without. I think it's dangerous as I don't trust anything packed in a plastic see-through container from the backeries in the supermarkets (whether they make them there or not).

I only stick with certain brands and I don't trust gourmet (spelling?) products as they get fancy with peanuts/nuts.

When my son was only PA we had a bakery which we would order cakes from and safe cookies because they only used 2 types of tree nuts and we just didn't order anything with nuts. Then he became allergic to TN and sesame and I became allergic to TN also and now we can't buy from there anymore. It's sad looking at the pictures from 3 years ago when he was eating cake and we didn't have to worry so much and had more options then we do now. But rather safe then sorry plus I really like to bake too.

[This message has been edited by momll70 (edited January 28, 2007).]

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By chanda4 on Sun, 01-28-07, 15:40

Sorry Chris for my naughty spelling...thanks for editing me! Sorry again.

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 1/2(beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig, hamster & asthma)
Jake-6 1/2(peanut, all tree nuts, all seeds(sesame, sunflower, poppy, pine nut) beef, chicken, eggs, coconut, green beans/all beans, trees, grasses,

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By Greenlady on Sun, 01-28-07, 16:05

oops - wrong post.

[This message has been edited by Greenlady (edited January 28, 2007).]

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By josh'smom on Sun, 01-28-07, 20:10

I thought Kroger's bakery cakes and cupcakes were peanut free? The peanut free preschool that my son will go to serve these for bdays sometimes. I would call and find out if the store gets it from the same bakery as their cakes and cupcakes. I know the cookies are unsafe at the store, but the cakes are supposed to be ok.

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By chanda4 on Sun, 01-28-07, 20:23

josh's mom....Kroger(which also owns King Soopers) won't put a *may contain* or a "processed in a facility* on their label. Even though the cake doesn't have any *nuts* in it, they are made in the same faicilty that makes their things that do contain nuts(like the almond-poppy flavored cake) they make ALL their cakes at the same place...but then don't label for it. My friend was really upset, after talking with the bakery manager, who called the facility themselves and confirmed "all cakes were made on the same line".....no label! I just thought there was something(law) to protect us, but I guess not. that's scary!

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma)
Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma)
Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig)
Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 1/2(beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig, hamster & asthma)
Jake-6 1/2(peanut, all tree nuts, all seeds(sesame, sunflower, poppy, pine nut) beef, chicken, eggs, coconut, green beans/all beans, trees, grasses,

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By josh'smom on Sun, 01-28-07, 21:52

Wow-that is scary! My friend also called and they told her at the bakery that the cakes and cupcakes were safe. That is the only place that she will allow cakes and cupcakes to come from for her ds! Once my son starts attending the preschool I will definetly look into it. It should have may contain if there is a chance for cross contamination! Since my son is allergic to egg we haven't gotten it anyway. There are some amazing cupcakes that I got from the recipe section that are so good. I think from Lindajo as original poster. No one at my son B-day yesterday could believe that there were no eggs. My sister made some similar with eggs, but everyone ate the egg free ones. I saw that your kids are also allergic to milk. You can make them milk and egg free with the recipe. Yummy!

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By chanda4 on Sun, 01-28-07, 21:56

thanks josh'smom...I need to look at the recipies, I have yet to find a good one that my kids will eat. They usually like off the frosting and say the cake parti is gross! Do you have the recipe you used yesterday?? I will look under that poster and try to find some ideas! Thanks [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma)
Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma)
Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig)
Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 1/2(beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig, hamster & asthma)
Jake-6 1/2(peanut, all tree nuts, all seeds(sesame, sunflower, poppy, pine nut) beef, chicken, eggs, coconut, green beans/all beans, trees, grasses,

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By mcmom on Mon, 01-29-07, 01:03

Quote:My friend also called and they told her at the bakery that the cakes and cupcakes were safe.

You can pretty much *never* trust someone who is just working at a counter at a store, bakery wherever. They have no clue.

My neighbor invited ds to a party years ago - she proudly told me that she got the cake from Dairy Queen, and that the girl working there told her it was "nut free". Not wanting to immediately dash her enthusiasm, I drove to the DQ myself, and asked if the ice cream cake was nut free. "Yes, no nuts" said the counter girl. I showed her the box, which had a huge may contain sticker on it - and then pointed to the sign *right behind her* that claimed *everything* there was cross contaminated. Duh. My neighbor felt terrible, but I told her it was just routine stuff for us, lol.

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By josh'smom on Mon, 01-29-07, 01:58

My friend called the main bakery where they get all the cakes not the store. Her and I have similar comfort zones. Maybe the person she spoke to was clueless. I will let her know that they make all the stuff with peanuts and nuts in the same place.

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By chanda4 on Mon, 01-29-07, 02:40

I worked at Dairy Queen in high school and again in college....those nuts were EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!! I made the cakes too, we didn't *put* nuts into them, but there were plenty of opportunites for contamination, plenty! We don't go anymore. I *sometimes* would go in and get my son a cone, but lately my confort level with that has fallen, so probably won't anymore.

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma)
Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma)
Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig)
Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 1/2(beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig, hamster & asthma)
Jake-6 1/2(peanut, all tree nuts, all seeds(sesame, sunflower, poppy, pine nut) beef, chicken, eggs, coconut, green beans/all beans, trees, grasses,

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By Live4Him on Wed, 01-31-07, 01:27

I think I can help you here. I work for Kroger so hopefully this helps. We have a main bakery that all the cakes etc come out of, they are baked there, sent to the stores frozen, then thawed at the store (bakery) decorated and sold. This is for the special ordered birthday cakes only. This also goes for the sheet cakes that are decorated at store level. You can tell them by the bakery label on the package. Premade cakes such as Red Velvet etc are made at the plant shipped frozen and sold as is, meaning prepacked and labeled. I know that at our Fred Meyer stores here (which is the same as Kroger, (owned by Kroger)) the bakerys do not use any kind of nuts in the in-store bakeries to decorate with. I have never had a problem with special ordered bday cakes as long as you tell them about the allergy. They are very aware of all kinds of nut allergies.
Still though it is a matter of your comfort level.

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By chanda4 on Wed, 01-31-07, 01:49

Oh, thanks Live4Him.... so the almond poppy(was the flavor I am worred about, son is allergic to almonds as well) so those are made at the factory, but the birthday cakes are made in the store??? Did I read that right, LOL!!! Thanks for your input, I appreciate it!!!

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma)
Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma)
Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig)
Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 1/2(beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig, hamster & asthma)
Jake-6 1/2(peanut, all tree nuts, all seeds(sesame, sunflower, poppy, pine nut) beef, chicken, eggs, coconut, green beans/all beans, trees, grasses,

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By Live4Him on Wed, 01-31-07, 03:05

Yes, the sheet cakes that you order for birthdays are safe, at least I have never had a problem in my sons 14 year peanut allergy history. The sheet cakes are made in a separate bakery in Oregon, placed in cardboard then shink wrapped for delivery. They are placed in the freezer in the store and thawed and decorated when needed. Things have changed alot for Kroger. Pretty much everything they have there is baked off, nothing is actually made and baked at store level including the bread. It is all shipped in frozen. He is also allergic to almond flavoring. The only time I had a problem with almond flavoring is when he ate some cocnut macroon cookies that were prepacked, it was my fault because i didnt read the ingredients carefully. We were on my brothers 64 foot boat in Puget Sound when he broke out in hives, thank God he was ok and we didnt need to use the epi! Oh and I never give him ANYTHING that has poppyseeds because if it contains poppyseeds more than likely it has almond in it, the two go together like peanut butter and jelly. Hope this helps!

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By saknjmom on Tue, 02-27-07, 15:11

I wrote off bakeries a long time ago. I just feel that there is such a high risk of cross contamination, and full contamination that it is not worth the risk.
I would prefer to either bake something (I do hate baking) buy something made by a reputable manufacturer or skip the sweets period.

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By momll70 on Thu, 03-01-07, 21:27

My MIL brought home beautiful pastries and told me she asked about the nuts and they had no nuts. I should have trusted my instincts. As soon as I put it into my mouth the back of my throat was itching so bad. I didn't even get to chew it. I spit it out and grabbled Benadryl and was fine. That was my first obvious reaction to tree nuts. They grind the nuts and the person at the counter looks at the pasteries and just assumes they are plain. Not to mention the may contains. That was before I knew about cross contamination.

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