worsening eczema and red under eyes

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By ritpet on Sun, 04-18-10, 03:46

My 11 month PA daughter started geting a red "rash" under her eyes earlier this week. It seems to go away at night and come back within a couple of hours of her being awake. It obviously itches her. Her eczema has also flared up and seems to improve at night and get worse again during the day along with her eyes. We have no Peanut in our house. It does not seem to matter if she is inside or outside, if she is at the sitters or our house. We have not fed her anything new. I have no idea what it might be but each day it comes back a little worse. Any ideas? The doctor at urgent care just said "it might be allergies. I don't know." That was not very helpful. I am not sure if she is reacting to something else or what. Any thoughts would be appriciated.

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By TJP on Sun, 04-18-10, 11:51

Have you been putting moisturizer on her? If so she could be allergic to some ingredients in what ever brand you use. It could be wearing off by bedtime and that might be why it gets better at night.

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By ritpet on Sun, 04-18-10, 12:44

that is a great suggestion that I had not thought of. We moisturizer her at night so that it has a chance to soak in good while she is sleeping - that happens to be when it looks better. I am going to try moisturizing her in the morning too. We also do not use any moisturizer on her face but that doesn't mean it could not get on her hands and be transfered there. I would think if it was her moisturizer, we would notice it first thing in the morning. Today she was awake for an hour or so before it all started to get worse again. Thanks for the suggestion. It gives me one more thing to pay attention to.

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By Michaels Mom on Sun, 04-18-10, 18:02

Have you made an appoinment with the allergist or dermatologist? Every now and then I get eczema around my eyes and it's enough to drive me BATTY! There are some safe steroid creams that can be used, though, and they work with one or two applications. The cause of mine is usually using something new on my face or transitioning from fall to winter. Good luck!

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By ritpet on Sun, 04-18-10, 21:08

I would love to have her see a dermatologist but first I need a referal from my GP. The steroid she has for her body is not something I want to put on her face. She needs something though because it does drive her a bit crazy. The thing is that the steroid for her body has never completely cleared up the rest of her eczema. After we took her off eggs (egg allergy as well as PA) her eczema started to get a lot better so I am not sure what has made it flare up like this. Thanks for the suggestion.

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By pktech on Wed, 04-21-10, 23:15

Hi Ritpet -I'm new to the site, but have battled the eczema w/ my son since he was born - He was scratching like a mad-man since he was 3 days old. We saw about 6 different dr.'s until we were directed to a "pediatric dermatologist" Here is what we do & it's cleared up significantly:

We:
- Wash his clothes in All clear detergent
- Performed a allergy blood test - scratch tests are for the birds.
- Found out he's highly allergic to dairy
- Any kind of stress brings out eczema - major problem was constipation
- put him on a gluten-free diet
- daily dosages of probiotics & "Nystatin" - apparently yeast might be a contributor
- we also do the steroids - mometasone on the feet, knees & arms & elbows - fluticasone on the more delicate areas, mixed in a compound of vanicream after a bath.

I can go on & on, but I might BORE you, LOL! When I saw this post I wascompelled to respond - my little guy suffered so much but still kept a smile on his face ... Let me know if you'd like anymore info.

Rob

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By chelle.tovar on Wed, 04-21-10, 23:22

My daughter has very bad eczema too and I'm going nuts trying to relieve her itchyness. She is currently getting allergy shots right now which confirmed my suspicion that she has a peanut allergy. I sure hope that this allergy specialists can help us!

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By pktech on Wed, 04-21-10, 23:37

Hi Chelle,
Did you have the allergist give her the blood test tht they send to a lab? My wife & I found scratch tests are almost useless in our case. Don't let your allergist gloss this over with "oh, she'll grow out of it", etc ...

Rob

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By chelle.tovar on Wed, 04-21-10, 23:52

No, the allergist did mention, however, doing a blood test at her next visit which is May 5th. I'm not sure what the blood test is for exactly.
She actually told me that since her allergy is so severe she will probably have it for life. :(

Chelle.

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By pktech on Thu, 04-22-10, 00:15

Hi Chelle - the blood test should also determine another level & a wider variety of things she might be allergic to in addition to peanuts, ie: gluten, dairy, mold, yeast etc ... we used Great Plains Labs & Genova for various tests. We found them helpful to "drill down" into other "high allergens" that might be contributing to his eczema. I was told that eczema morphs into hayfever as they get older - I assume peanut is lifelong ... Also see if you can find a reputable "pediatric dermatologist" - typically not covered by insurance, but it was well worth it once my son's wounds healed. She was a godsend :)

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By chelle.tovar on Thu, 04-22-10, 02:06

I will do anything to relieve her of her constant itching. The woman we just started seeing seems very knowledgeable. She is a board certified allergist treating allergy, immunology, pediatric and adults (taken directly from her business card). Next time i will ask her about the blood test. She is also going to test my daughter for asthma. I have also seen many doctors before and tried so many different lotions, seems nothing is helping anymore. I have heard that those steroid creams are very bad for the skin and immune system for long term usage. Know anything about that? When I used to put those creams on my daughter she would scream and say it hurt so i stopped using them but now she is saying aveeno lotion hurts too, although, now it might just be because she doesn't like sitting still for "lotion time."

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By Michaels Mom on Thu, 04-22-10, 12:36

You have to be very careful on the face with steroid creams b/c long term use can thin the skin permanently. It's a tough call though, b/c badly inflamed ezcema can get infected. We use it sparingly on the face under doctor supervision. I think the doctor had me using 2.5% hyrocortizone on my eye area, which isn't too much stronger than over the counter.

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By Michaels Mom on Thu, 04-22-10, 12:37

Also- my older son will say it hurts too, but I've used the same cream on worse ezcema and know it doesn't...I think you're on to something with not wanting to sit still ;0)

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By pktech on Thu, 04-22-10, 20:19

I feel for you - We used the steroid creams w/ a heavy hand in the beginning to give him some relief - mixed into a compound w/ Vanicream. Over a few weeks it cleared up his face. His problem areas today (he'll be 4 in june) are the backs of his knees & where his arms bend.

Weighing the risks versus the real possibility of contracting staph, we chose the steroids (mometasone & fluticasone) for speed of healing. We had great success with olive oil too, lol - no kidding - especially for his scalp. Let me know if you want to hear any other tricks :)
Rob

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By ritpet on Fri, 04-23-10, 13:22

Thanks for all of the good advice and caring. We are pretty sure that the flare up was part of an allergic reaction. We stopped giving her anything with wheat in it. A day later I was shopping, the kids where hungry and I grabbed the closest thing - zookies. They are egg free and peanut free so it was something we often have at home. Within 10 minutes of her starting to eat them her eczema flared up, she started iching and crying. I gave her benadryl and it stopped. We have an appointment today with the allergist. I called the manufacture and they were very nice and helpful. They double check and got back with me to let me know that there are not eggs or peanuts in the factory where the product was made. So, we may be looking at a new allergy. (there are trace amounts of soy, milk, and sesame in them) Since she has stopped eating them her eczema has cleared up a LOT and she is no longer scratching.

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By chelle.tovar on Sun, 04-25-10, 12:51

pktech - Let's hear more tricks!
I am actually beginning to think her lotion IS contributing to her misery. These last two nights I avoided lotion because she has been crying so badly saying it hurts then she will start scratching when she wasn't before. Well, these last 2 nights she has been sleeping much better and waking up to scratch less often! Now I'm not sure how to moisturize her skin. I am so sick of seeing my girl's skin so rough.

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By pktech on Fri, 04-30-10, 03:24

Well this is where it gets to be no so much fun - not that it is now, but this without sounding dramatic is where you might need to impose a lifstyle change :(

Here's the way we currently deal w/ this problem:
1. Your daughter should only wear cotton clothes
2. eliminate some foods: dairy, soy, nuts, wheat (depending how old your daughter is - the whole family should do this)
3. Possibly embark on a gluten free - dairy/casein free diet.
4. Detergent "All Clear" is what we use
5. What moisturizers are you currently using? - some have alcohol in them & on already sensitive skin it probably does hurt, then itches
6. Again depending how old she is (if you can sell her on this idea) Rice milk instead of cow or soy. The first dermatologist suggested we put him in a warm bath w/ 1 cup of milk & 1 cup of olive oil & let him soak in it for 20 minutes. Within 3 minutes he stood up & jumped out of the tub with hives from head to toe scratching his skin off - literally! a teaspoon of benedryl and a half hour later, he was calm & sleepy, but looked like he tangled with a mountain-lion. He looked mauled. So we didn't need a fancy test to tell us there was a milk allergy going on & that he itched himself bloody. I go back to the how old is your daughter because for us he was young enough that we simply gave him rice milk and he's liked it ever since.

Try vanicream if you haven't yet & vanicream soap. The downside to the gluten free thing is it's not the same. But they are making advances everyday and the wife and I sneak the non-gluten stuff ;) and don't feel guilty about it one bit.

Let me know what you think.

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By heather tabor on Tue, 04-27-10, 15:01

After reading all these comments, I am pretty sure we have all had to deal with the same issues. Since my son was born and I started breastfeeding, he stayed sick. I told the lactation consultant he has to be allergic to something I am eating, she said it was possible. Well I ate a lot of peanut butter(used to be a favorite) and eggs. He stayed congested, vomited frequently. At 8 months I quit and gave him a bottle. He was still sick often. Spring and fall was worse than ever. Croup found him often leaving us at the ER through the night. A day before his birthday I took him to the Dr. for check up. He said he is under weight push the proteins. He had a runny nose so I had given him Benadryl when we got home. I was eating a PB cracker and broke off a piece and gave it to him. Within seconds his lips grew, he started to vomit and eyes swelled really bad. Not sure how bad it would have been had I not given the Benadryl. We have dealt with a lot of doctors,CT scans (for sinus) specialist and trying times. I had him tested the next week at the allergist. Peanuts were really bad, eggs were moderate. Eczema of course is a given with food allergies. Every night I give him a bath with Olay moisturizing body wash with Shea butter. I rub A&d ointment all over his face, (I know, sounds yucky). I use to use cetaphil (very expensive) found Dermasil at Dollar Tree works great! Flare ups, behind knees and wrist and here and there I use Triamcinolone Acetonide ointment 0.1% works overnight. (Not for face) For face, Elidel or Protopic. Had his blood tested at Vanderbilt. Peanut was very high and eggs still moderate. My son takes Zyrtec, Nasonex, and Singulair on a daily basis. This time of year his eyes use to swell shut. Pataday has work wonders with clear protective goggles when outside, or wrap around sun glasses, Two years ago he added a new allergy... sunscreen. Vanicream is wonderful for that, they also make lotions and soaps that work well. (Pharmacists orders the sunscreen). I hate to say this but Steroid injections have been a good friend to us, is the only thing that gets him over really tough times. I wish all of you out there with similar problems just starting out, it will get better with a lot of trial and error, good luck!

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By Allison or Allie on Fri, 04-30-10, 02:35

I have a 15 month old son who is allergic to peanuts and also has eczema and I put Aveeno lotion on him and it cleared right up, I also use Aveeno body wash. I just took him to Childrens Hospital to see the allergist and she confirmed his peanut allergy and I am scared to pieces. She told me to keep using the Aveeno lotion as long as it works and I use All free and clear detergent and dryer sheets. About 2 weeks ago his hands and face got red with white watery looking bumps so I took him to his Dr and they gave me Benadryl and an epi pen . The specialist said to be careful using Benadryl because it can mask or delay the problem if he had a allergic reaction. She said that when he gets that its the hives because he has such sensitive skin, which is scary to me because I need to know if its serious enough to give him the epi pen, but she said I will know when I need to use it, God I pray I do. This is all new to me and I'm a nervous reck. I am sooo happy I found this website for help and advice!

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By chelle.tovar on Fri, 04-30-10, 13:51

M y daughter is 2 and she LOVES milk and pretty much all dairy and grain products. We try as much as possible to put only 100 % cotton on her but lately its been getting harder to do because she is getting into dresses. What detergent do you use? We did have a scratch test for milk and wheat and it came up clear but now I know its not competly reliable. Ihave actually looked into holistic medicine but the problem is I dont know what is safe for a kid.

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By Mach5AR on Fri, 04-30-10, 19:45

We had very similar problems with our twin boys and the only Rx that worked consistently was/is Desonide Ointment 0.05%. We now only have the rare flare up, but it knocks it out quick.
The eczema was much worse when they were babies and toddlers. We eliminated wheat and gluten due to earlier allergies and their eczema improved as did their tummy trouble and behavior. This was interesting and we found a book,"Healing the New Childhood Epidemics: Autism, ADHD, Asthma, and Allergies", by Kenneth Bock, M.D. and Cameron Stauth, that went into the 4 areas and began making some sense of it all for us, because my boys have Asthma, Allergies, ADHD and Autism. It makes me wonder about other problems they have and if they are related such as:
Aaron has Chari 1 Malformation
Alex has a Syrinx
They also had Twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome (TTTS, also known as Feto-Fetal Transfusion Syndrome (FFTS) and Twin Oligohydramnios-Polyhydramnios Sequence (TOPS)) a complication of disproportionate blood supply, resulting in high morbidity and mortality. It can affect monochorionic multiples, that is multiple pregnancies where two or more fetuses share a chorion and hence a single placenta. Severe TTTS has a 60-100% mortality rate. It required endoscopic laser surgery in-utero at 18 weeks of which the long term effects are still not known.

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Mark D. Hill

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By ritpet on Sun, 05-02-10, 16:37

Wow, I know we are dealling with a lot but when I read what some of the rest of you are dealling with . . . well lets just say my heart goes out to you. We have been told to stop using dryer sheets to help with my daughter's excema. Our allergist did not like the idea of elimating other foods from her diet since she has been tested for wheat and milk and neither have come back positive. We use a lot of Aquaphor on her skin before bed and Betaderm ointment .1% on the really bad spots. We were also told to bath her more often and let her sit in the water for 10 minutes or so, use warm water not hot, and to not dry her the whole way with a towl. We also dress her in a lot of cotten. The allergist told us that excema is only linked to food 20% of the time and the rest of the time it can flare up for other reasons like hot, cold and various skin irritations. Lets say this did not help much. She said that we should pay attention to when it flares up and journal what things were like including if she was crying, cold, hot, outside, inside, time of day, time of year, . . . This way hopefully we will be able to see a pattern that will give us a better idea of what is causing her flare ups when it is not food related. Sounds great but is a lot of work. My daughter is only 1 so we have no been at this long yet. I love the ideas that the rest of you have put down. I want to scedual an appointment for her with the dermatologist to see if they have any more insight. I do not want to use a whole lot of steroids on her is possible because of them thinning her skin.

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By ritpet on Sun, 05-02-10, 16:37

Wow, I know we are dealling with a lot but when I read what some of the rest of you are dealling with . . . well lets just say my heart goes out to you. We have been told to stop using dryer sheets to help with my daughter's excema. Our allergist did not like the idea of elimating other foods from her diet since she has been tested for wheat and milk and neither have come back positive. We use a lot of Aquaphor on her skin before bed and Betaderm ointment .1% on the really bad spots. We were also told to bath her more often and let her sit in the water for 10 minutes or so, use warm water not hot, and to not dry her the whole way with a towl. We also dress her in a lot of cotten. The allergist told us that excema is only linked to food 20% of the time and the rest of the time it can flare up for other reasons like hot, cold and various skin irritations. Lets say this did not help much. She said that we should pay attention to when it flares up and journal what things were like including if she was crying, cold, hot, outside, inside, time of day, time of year, . . . This way hopefully we will be able to see a pattern that will give us a better idea of what is causing her flare ups when it is not food related. Sounds great but is a lot of work. My daughter is only 1 so we have no been at this long yet. I love the ideas that the rest of you have put down. I want to scedual an appointment for her with the dermatologist to see if they have any more insight. I do not want to use a whole lot of steroids on her is possible because of them thinning her skin.

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By chelle.tovar on Tue, 05-04-10, 13:01

I have also been told that steroids weaken the immune system. Does anyone know of that?

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By ritpet on Wed, 05-05-10, 01:03

I was reading a bit about a book called Beat Eczema. Has anyone read it or used it? Does it help to get rid of eczema?

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By brock5 on Thu, 10-14-10, 10:58

My eyesight is horrible (-5.25 and -6.25). I used to wear contacts, but switched to glasses last year. I like wearing glasses, but I don’t like not being able to see anything when they are off. So I’m considering a Lasik laser.

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By serine on Mon, 11-08-10, 10:08

Before surgery I couldn’t see anything clearly without glasses. Even worse, all outdoor
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At work I wasn’t able to use a computer for more than an hour before I started getting head
aches. This not only affected my performance but also my attitude. Now that I’ve had the
surgery I finally have a full field of vision during every waking hour. Being able to walk
outside with no glasses or contacts and seeing everything is amazing. I highly recommend a
Lasik laser surgery.

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