Didn\'t Speak Up :(

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Well, we went to a b-day party today for a boy who is in our mom's club. It was held at a Chucky Cheese (where we feel safe) and the mother of the boy made her own cake. We went over the ingredients beforehand and last night at 10 she called to tell me she had added toppings to the cake including Plain M&Ms. The cake was a train and each part was a separate car, only one car had the M&MS. But my 3 year old didn't understand that one had the candy and others didn'tand I wasn't comfortable giving it to him. I think the mother was a little offending after going over the ingredients with me and keeping them only on one car. I was fine with keeping him away from the cake and leaving before everyone ate because I didn't want him to feel bad, but then a "friend" of mine who was there gave her daughter peanut crackers-because she was hungry and wouldn't eat the pizza. Our children were playing together before this and having a good time, so obviously I felt the need to keep my son away from her. I was completely floored that she would eat them right then and there not thinking of Tony's allergy. She is fully aware of the allergy and believe me I've shared the story of his reaction and how serious it is. So, I let my son play a couple more games, got him a balloon and left (after saying goodbye to the b-day boy's mother and thanking her pizza) My son wasn't aware of the cracker incident and was fine with not having the cake, so he had a great time. But now I'm upset that I didn't say anything to the mother, I consider her to be my friend and thought she was clear on the whole pa thing. Apparently not. Of course I came home and cried (after putting the little one down for a nap). I want to say something to her now, after I calm down, but can't seem to think of exactly how to put it. I would love some advice from others who have been in the same boat. TIA-Wendy

PS I'm certain the mom's were all discussing my departure, they think I'm paranoid as it is. The mother that did this today was one of the ones I thought I could trust [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

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Wendy, I've gone through what you are going through with a very good friend who ate peanuts in front of my daughter, and I would never have expected her to do so. I also asked for advice here; you can read the thread titled "Need advice on responding to a peanut situation with a friend". However, since my friend and I haven't spoken since my last email to her, you may not want to follow my example exactly. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Like you, I find it really hard to speak up during the moment of the situation. I do what I need to do to keep my daughter safe, and then think about what I should have said after the fact. On the other hand, it does give you time to think about exactly what you want to say. I do think you should approach you friend, especially since you thought she was someone who really understood. Just be prepared that, as I did in my situation, you may not get the answer you want. I would explain to her how grateful you were to her for going over all the ingredients with you beforehand, because it shows you how much she has your child's best interests in mind. But tell her that even things that she would expect to be safe, like plain M&M's, may not be, and you have to check all the ingredients in order to feel that it's OK for your son to eat. (It she knew that plain M&M's weren't OK, and did it anyway just because they were just on one part of the cake, well, that's another case entirely.) We really do have to remind ourselves that other people just don't have the knowledge or experience that we do, and are just acting out of ignorance with no ill intentions.

Good luck; let us know how it goes.

I need to edit this to say that, after re-reading your post, I'm not sure whether it was the cake woman or the cracker woman that you wanted to say something to. I initially thought it was more the cake, but now I think more the cracker. If that's the case, then you are in exactly the same situation I was in, with a friend you thought understood eating actual peanut products in front of your child. You need to explain how peanut butter can get spead about on things, and about how serious contact reactions can be, and how contact with peanuts can become an ingestion if your son puts his fingers in his mouth. Again, ignorance is in play here. I tried to explain that to my friend, and her reply said that, although she understood that I had to keep my daughter safe, she still thought I overreacted. Which made it clear to me that she didn't understand at all. So, I think you should definitely try to talk to her, but you may get a response that will affect your relationship with her.

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I personally think in these situations it is better to send an email than to call, because you can really go over what you are going to say in an email. If it were me, I would act like she was unaware (since her actions appeared that way). By the way I am referring to the peanut butter cracker lady. If it were me, I would send an email saying something like, I guess you forgot that if your child eats peanuts and then touches my child, my child can have a life-threatening reaction. For that reason, we had to leave the party prematurely. Just wanted to remind you about my child`s life threatening peanut allergy, since it seemed you forgot."

I have to comment that I probably have less tact than some on these boards, and some people on these boards would not be so blunt about it. But I have been dealing with pa for 4 years, and it seems like being nice and hinting accomplishes nothing. I would keep it short and sweet, and act like she must have forgotten, even if you think she didn`t.

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Thank you for all of the advice. I have to say the woman who made the cake was not aware of the issue with plain m&ms and tried very hard to accomodate my son. My issue for the most part was with the woman who gave her daughter the cracker. We have gone over the allergy and she has been very good about it up until today. I decided to e-mail her to explain the risk of contact reactions/airborne reactions. I felt if I called I would not be able to say what I wanted and I would be too emotional. We'll see how she responds. I also sent an e-mail to the woman who made the cake to thank her for trying so hard to make a cake ds could eat and tell her we had a good time but had to leave early because of the pb cracker issue. Uh what a day, to someone who doesn't have to deal with this a birthday party is just a birthday party, not a nerve racking occasion.

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Boy, isn`t that the truth. Birthday parties are supposed to be fun, not stressful. I have to say it does get easier with age though. I think the toddler age is really hard. That is when people on the spur of the moment pull out peanut butter crackers. And toddlers are so messy. Our birthday parties are pretty uneventful now (dd is 8) except for the ones that have toddlers or except for the two wacko parents we know who make a point of serving peanuts specifically because they know dd can`t be around them and they are control freaks, so they have to test limits time after time. I posted about them many times a couple of years ago, now we just skip their parties. Not worth the stress wondering for 2 weeks if this will be another year where they say they are not serving peanuts and then they do. I think the lady who made the cake with the M and Ms made an honest mistake. The peanut butter cracker lady, I think, was over the line. If she is that oblivious and she is a friend of yours, she must be pretty self centered. Sorry, but that is my opinion. It is not hard to figure out that peanut butter crackers have peanuts.

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Careful Mom, you are correct. The cake lady's mistake was an honest one. She was so nice in asking about the different types of cake mixes and didn't realize plain M&Ms were a problem. The cracker lady is over the top and can be very self absorbed. I did send her an e-mail explaining the dangers of contact reactions and she called this afternoon. The first thing she said was "I'm so sorry." She kept apologizing and said she didn't understand it would be dangerous for ds if she fed her child a pb cracker and made sure she didn't give him any. Several other women in the group have commented on how inappropriate her actions were, so it is nice to see I've conveyed the seriousness of the allergy to them. She said she would never have anything out near him again. So I will go on from here, if it happens again I will address it at the time and stop attending events where she will be present. Thanks again for the tips. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Wendy

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Wendy, I'm so glad it worked out for you with your friend. The fact that my former friend specifically refused to apologize (because she "didn't do anything wrong") is why we are no longer friends. And how great that the other moms realized that what she did was wrong, too. You have obviously done a great job of conveying the seriousness of the allergy.

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Quote:Originally posted by wendy12:
[b]Careful Mom, you are correct. The cake lady's mistake was an honest one. She was so nice in asking about the different types of cake mixes and didn't realize plain M&Ms were a problem. The cracker lady is over the top and can be very self absorbed. I did send her an e-mail explaining the dangers of contact reactions and she called this afternoon. The first thing she said was "I'm so sorry." She kept apologizing and said she didn't understand it would be dangerous for ds if she fed her child a pb cracker and made sure she didn't give him any. Several other women in the group have commented on how inappropriate her actions were, so it is nice to see I've conveyed the seriousness of the allergy to them. She said she would never have anything out near him again. So I will go on from here, if it happens again I will address it at the time and stop attending events where she will be present. Thanks again for the tips. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Wendy[/b]

Your post really made me smile. (Not hard to do, mind you.) [i]I really believe that for the majority, people are basically good. They want to do the right thing. They have a need to do the right thing. They just don't always have a map. Nor are they always skilled at reading maps when given one.[/i] (More plausible for *me* to think than "I really believe that for the majority, people are basically bad.

Of course, it may be a rare event where you find all those basically "good" persons wanting, needing, understanding, and doing at the right time [i]consistently[/i]. Murphy's Law and all. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Glad to see it looks like you have some resolution.

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Well said MB. That is why I often find it so hard to speak to people about an error in safety with food, or sometimes explaining that we need to bring our own stuff. Peple really want to try to be careful and do something special for our children(more often than not in my experience). These situations are more awkward than the obvious and baltant unsafe ones! Just went through it today. It was all fine, but I hate offending or hurting feelings when someone is trying very hard to do the safe and right thing.

I also think that is why it is so disarming to some when we need to confront things. Like with Kim and her friend, which went sour. Her friend's feelings of being indignant got in the way of really making it right because I am sure she didn't mean any harm. It is so hard sometimes. becca

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becca, you hit the nail on the head with my situation. I know that my friend didn't intentionally put my daughter in a dangerous situation, but even after I explained, she just couldn't let herself say that she was sorry, that she realized now that she did something wrong. Finding that I had posted her email here in asking for advice made it even more difficult, because it made it possible for her to see [i]herself[/i] as the injured party. I have been thinking lately of trying to mend the fences, but I just don't know how it would be received. I was just about ready to do it, and then reading about how well Wendy's friend reacted made me mad all over again. I just want to send Wendy's post to her and say "See! How hard would it be to do that?!" Now I have to give myself more time to calm down again.

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I't so easy for us all to see ourselves as the injured party. But it rarely ever feels good. The only good part about arguing: Making up. Something about the relative distance must make it so. It's a long way from injured party to understanding friends. Whether one walks there on their own, or meet in the middle is inconsequential as long as the two ends meet, no?

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